Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[popsicle]

BritsKate

A Scientific Examination Report dated 4/7/2010

#1 12 pages of known writing of JA

#2 1 purple handwritten journal dates 6/5/07 - 7/23/07
1 black handwritten journal dates 7/25/07- 1/1/08
1 black handwritten journal dates 1/1/08 -4/9/08

#3 1 black handwritten journal dates 4/13/08 - 7/14/08

Items #2 and #3 were executed by the writer of item #1.

Did Travis even have journals?

eta http://tinyurl.com/bsqovha the report is about half way down the page

 

[Tricksy]

Possibly. He had already been grossly abused by a strong female figure in his young life so he may have been vulnerable when another came along to abuse him later on.

But I actually think what Travis did is what most DV victims do. They usually never report even when the danger and violence is esculating. That is the norm whether they are a man or a woman. Only around 10% of those in DV situation ever call the police.

And men are the least likely to report of the two groups anyway. I believe men are taught to handle their own problems when they arrise and they think reporting a dangerous female is a sign that they cant handle it themselves. They may also see it as a sign of weakness if they are males. Unfortunately a lot of men are taught to suck it up...work it out themselves, and go on.

IMO

Thanks for coming back to me on this.

I should have included the domestic violence issue in my original post, as part of the reason (IMO) as to why he did not report Jodi and continued to see her, despite her stalkerish activities.

But basically, I agree with what you are saying. I in no way think that it was as cut and dried as some posters have said - he was using her for sex, therefore that is why he continued to see her.

IMO, I think that there are several reasons as to why he did not cut her out of his life: as you mention, that DV victims do not report it (also factor in additional embarrasment with him being male), early abuse experiences, thinking he could handle her, he enjoyed the sex and had an attraction to her, even if she wasn't the girl he wanted to settle down with.

I just hadn't seen anyone discuss his early experiences on here as to a possible reason - in part as to why he just kind of put up with her behaviour and wanted to throw it in the mix and see what others thought.

 

[popsicle]

Also, how premeditated can you get? I mean when did she start writing those journals anyway?

eta nevermind, I figured it out.

 

[CBTampa]

I keep thinking about the last photo that shows that he was alive at 5:30 pm. It doesn't show someone who was relaxed, thus the furrowed brow. Is it possible that she was tauting him? He has a look of great concern or worry to me. IMO

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Possibly. He had already been grossly abused by a strong female figure in his young life so he may have been vulnerable when another came along to abuse him later on.

But I actually think what Travis did is what most DV victims do. They usually never report even when the danger and violence is esculating. That is the norm whether they are a man or a woman. Only around 10% of those in DV situation ever call the police.

And men are the least likely to report of the two groups anyway. I believe men are taught to handle their own problems when they arrise and they think reporting a dangerous female is a sign that they cant handle it themselves. They may also see it as a sign of weakness if they are males. Unfortunately a lot of men are taught to suck it up...work it out themselves, and go on.

IMO

It's also worth considering what he thought the police's reaction would be keeping in mind that he had experience with them as a child.

Not all police are this way, but some don't want to be involved in DV situations. I have met one of them.

One of my cousins was once in an abusive relationship and one of the explosive nights she called me because she needed a ride away from her house. The BF had taken her oldest son (10 y/o or so) when he left for some reason as some kind of security that she wouldn't call the cops. This was not his child. She did call them anyways and the officer was there when I arrived. He refused to go get the boy. When I asked him why, he told me that he wasn't going to risk his life tonight knowing full well that she would have him back in the house next week. I was livid with him. I went and picked up her son myself because she texted him and he ran out to the street when he saw my headlights. Maybe that was stupid of me because I did not have any experience in DV but I couldn't just not go get him.

If I found myself in a situation (God forbid it!) were abuse was happening, I think I would recall that night and be reluctant to call the police. I hope I'd do it anyhow but I know I'd feel some anxiety about it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks for coming back to me on this.

I should have included the domestic violence issue in my original post, as part of the reason (IMO) as to why he did not report Jodi and continued to see her, despite her stalkerish activities.

But basically, I agree with what you are saying. I in no way think that it was as cut and dried as some posters have said - he was using her for sex, therefore that is why he continued to see her.

IMO, I think that there are several reasons as to why he did not cut her out of his life: as you mention, that DV victims do not report it (also factor in additional embarrasment with him being male), early abuse experiences, thinking he could handle her, he enjoyed the sex and had an attraction to her, even if she wasn't the girl he wanted to settle down with.

I just hadn't seen anyone discuss his early experiences on here as to a possible reason - in part as to why he just kind of put up with her behaviour and wanted to throw it in the mix and see what others thought.

YW.

Also children who are abused tend to growup wanting to be the great protector or savior of someone they may think needs their help. So he may have thought if he gently handled Jodi she would eventually become a better person with his guidance and go on with her life. Even remaining friends like he did with other girlfriends but with JA living far away from him.

He was known to have helped so many people in his life and he may have wanted to do that with Jodi at first maybe seeing that she was a conflicted person who needed someone that gave her support and confidence in herself. Imo, she may have never had anyone do this and she became obsessed with Travis and it turned deadly. She says very clearly she knew they would never be married so it isnt like he didnt make that clear. I have never seen where he went to where she was.....it was also JA showing up at his place. She just wouldnt leave it alone.

I dont think he hated Jodi at all or used her just for sex.I think he had come to fear her and that is why he told his friends he was going to be killed. In fact I think she used all of her sexual tricks in order to control Travis. He may have never experienced some of the things that Jodi was so willing to do. Any healthy single male is going to get turned on when a woman slides into their bed with them naked doing sexual things to them. Imo Jodi knew that and exploited Travis' weakness for her own personal gain. That is all Jodi had to offer....other than that her life was pretty mundane so she used what she had and even that no longer worked then she got rid of him for good.

 

[DenverClipper]

I keep thinking about the last photo that shows that he was alive at 5:30 pm. It doesn't show someone who was relaxed, thus the furrowed brow. Is it possible that she was tauting him? He has a look of great concern or worry to me. IMO

There's been lots of speculation here about what Travis sees in that picture. And supposedly he is crouching down or sitting in that last pic although you can't tell by looking at it. I suspect it's been cropped maybe?

TA almost always smiled in his pics so what does this expression show? Alarm? Surprise? Annoyance? One things for sure. It was the last photo ever taken alive of TA.

 

[popsicle]

There's been lots of speculation here about what Travis sees in that picture. And supposedly he is crouching down or sitting in that last pic although you can't tell by looking at it. I suspect it's been cropped maybe?

TA almost always smiled in his pics so what does this expression show? Alarm? Surprise? Annoyance? One things for sure. It was the last photo ever taken alive of TA.

I agree is most likely is cropped. I too have seen many smiling pictures of Travis and they are a beautiful sight. What I haven't seen is a smiling picture of Travis with Jodi and that is very telling.

 

[manzana]

There's been lots of speculation here about what Travis sees in that picture. And supposedly he is crouching down or sitting in that last pic although you can't tell by looking at it. I suspect it's been cropped maybe?

TA almost always smiled in his pics so what does this expression show? Alarm? Surprise? Annoyance? One things for sure. It was the last photo ever taken alive of TA.

The photo was cropped. As for his almost smiling, I disagree, he had so many pics taken with a quirky expression that was like his signature. I found it part of his charm, endearing.

But for the last pic in question, I do see Travis almost like knowing his fate was near.

 

[DenverClipper]

The photo was cropped. As for his almost smiling, I disagree, he had so many pics taken with a quirky expression that was like his signature. I found it part of his charm, endearing.

But for the last pic in question, I do see Travis almost like knowing his fate was near.

I have to agree. I think his expression shows anticipation. He could be cowering in the corner of the shower trying to get as far away from JA as possible. I think he sees what's coming. It's like how did I end up here?

Poor guy.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have to agree. I think his expression shows anticipation. He could be cowering in the corner of the shower trying to get as far away from JA as possible. I think he sees what's coming. It's like how did I end up here?

Poor guy.

I have seen photos of Travis smiling and some where he isnt... like most he took with Jodi but I have never seen him have the expression on his face as he did in his last photo before death.

His brow is furrowed and he looks pensive and worried imo. He does not like what he sees in front of him,imo. And according to the DT within two minutes after this photo is taken he is dead.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have to agree. I think his expression shows anticipation. He could be cowering in the corner of the shower trying to get as far away from JA as possible. I think he sees what's coming. It's like how did I end up here?

Poor guy.

I thought about that too DC.

Maybe he pressed himself up against the shower in a crouching position trying to distance himself. She really had him cornered in that small shower stall with no where to go but toward the knife.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The photo was cropped. As for his almost smiling, I disagree, he had so many pics taken with a quirky expression that was like his signature. I found it part of his charm, endearing.

But for the last pic in question, I do see Travis almost like knowing his fate was near.

I see fear in his eyes. He thought all along she would wind up killing him and he knew it was coming true.

 

[human]

Does this have to be domestic violence?

Can't it just be that he had a relationship with an attractive sexy woman who he had no idea was a psycho and probably did not know was a psycho until the end?

We have probably all had relationships with people that we decided were no longer right for us for whatever reason. Most people move on.

How many of us assume that even the creepiest person they know is a killer?

I figure he was a person. Not a saint. Conflicted because HIS religion does not allow for friends with benefits or premarital sex. Why belong to a religion if you are not going to follow what it says?

So he has this dilemma .

Just like movie stars do not choose their stalkers nor do they have a relationship nor is it domestic violence.

He had an obsessed "fan" that there was no way he really could predict how psycho she could be.

It is complicated because he did want things about her as well, but in the end, he was ready to move on.

She was enraged because her plans were foiled. How dare he! He owed her!!!

 

[KMouse]

Does this have to be domestic violence?

Can't it just be that he had a relationship with an attractive sexy woman who he had no idea was a psycho and probably did not know was a psycho until the end?

We have probably all had relationships with people that we decided were no longer right for us for whatever reason. Most people move on.

How many of us assume that even the creepiest person they know is a killer?

I figure he was a person. Not a saint. Conflicted because HIS religion does not allow for friends with benefits or premarital sex. Why belong to a religion if you are not going to follow what it says?

So he has this dilemma .

Just like movie stars do not choose their stalkers nor do they have a relationship nor is it domestic violence.

He had an obsessed "fan" that there was no way he really could predict how psycho she could be.

It is complicated because he did want things about her as well, but in the end, he was ready to move on.

She was enraged because her plans were foiled. How dare he! He owed her!!!

Technically it is domestic violence since the two of them were in a relationship.

I totally agree with the "obsessed fan" type of thinking. I think she thought she found her golden ticket in Travis. He was successful, owned a nice house, nice clothes, nice car, earned a good living, was ambitious to earn an even better living, traveled, etc. Only he didn't want to share that life with her anymore and was looking for mrs. right.

 

[Lilly12]

What is the difference there? He did not respect her, same as disrespected her.

And she did not respect him, nor herself. moo

 

[bobloblaw]

I thought about that too DC.

Maybe he pressed himself up against the shower in a crouching position trying to distance himself. She really had him cornered in that small shower stall with no where to go but toward the knife.

I doubt he was cowering, afraid in the shower. He was much larger and stronger than JA. If he saw her with a knife he could disarm her. Sure she might get a couple slashes in on him, but he could overpower her by size/strenth and adrenaline.
I believe it was a surprise attack, a sucker puch (stab) that he didn't see coming.
After the first stab to the chest he was in full on defensive mode and greatly weakened which made her attack easier...

I wouldn't read too much into that photo, it was a millisecond in time. He could've been squinting looking out the foggy door etc etc...

 

[miss.krissy]

gngr...
I just looked at the pics on that MS link and I'd not seen #6 before...the one labeled "The coveted ring".
Just thought that was interesting.

Where is this post?

 

[DenverClipper]

:fence:

I see fear in his eyes. He thought all along she would wind up killing him and he knew it was coming true.

I have not heard anyone speculate this (because maybe they have seen the bottom portion of that "last" photo) but could JA already have inflicted the fatal stab to the heart in that photo? Hence his strange expression? Could he have slid to the bottom of the shower as a result of the stab? She could be standing outside the door with the camera expecting him to die like right now. Instead he gets up and hurles himself out of the shower to try to get away. She becomes furious and hacks/stabs him to finish the deed. Maybe not a realistic scenario because there might would have blood evident in the photo.

 

[bobloblaw]

Technically it is domestic violence since the two of them were in a relationship.

I totally agree with the "obsessed fan" type of thinking. I think she thought she found her golden ticket in Travis. He was successful, owned a nice house, nice clothes, nice car, earned a good living, was ambitious to earn an even better living, traveled, etc. Only he didn't want to share that life with her anymore and was looking for mrs. right.

Yes it was domestic violence, clearly.

Also she was a gold digger, those type women are actually very common and I teach my sons to avoid them.