Jodi Arias Trial Watchers Thread #1

[Curious Me]

"One of the images shows Alexander's bloody body, and another shows Arias dragging his body across the ground."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-trial-jurors-shown-photos-victims-dead/story?id=18119972

 

[PrincessSezMe]

As long as his heart is still pumping a stab or puncture of some kind will result in blood splatter.

It's clear from the sink that there was blood splatter. It wasn't just a pool of blood but rather splatter. So at some point in the attack Travis was stabbed around that sink. I couldn't tell you how far he was from the sink when he was stabbed but he had to be in the vicinity of it. Hopefully the states blood splatter expert will be able to provide those details to the jury.

It's my opinion that he was first stabbed then shot. The shell casing didn't have blood on it just around it. Which would lead me to believe the blood was already on the floor before he was shot.

JSR - I also noticed that the Prosecutor asked about the "smearing" of the blood on the front edge of the sink, and the LE person couldn't answer (not an expert in blood splatter). I'm hoping that they provide an expert in blood splatter that can provide an opinion on how that smear may have happened. Whether it was the perp or the victim that caused the smear.

 

[popsicle]

I do believe Travis knew his fate but I do not believe the attack had started yet

It would be interesting to have the actual photo but from what is shown here, his face does not show pain IMO that is why I think the attack came afterwards. I blew it up so you can see his expression better and his neck.

You can see the neck better in the picture here. And I agree, he doesn't look in pain but does look very stunned.

I thought I heard/read somewhere that it started in the shower and moved to the bathroom and to the doorway/hallway before she dragged him back into the shower. I also remember hearing, one of her interviews?, something about him saying...my legs, I can't move my legs. So I think a stab in the back would have made it really easy to overpower him. jmo

 

[SmoothOperator]

while I personally am under no false impression of TA being an exemplary, top notch choir boy AT ALL..and in my own personal opinion I do believe in some of his photos there is the presence of unhappiness(which is hard to determine whether that is merely situational at the time of each pic..or something more regularly felt by himself about his life).. I find it reasonable to believe that he was quite likely extremely conflicted in the two sides that there appears to be in the life he lived...

in that his wanting to be a devout Mormon adhering to their principles in his everyday life...and in his seeming other side of the coin wilder side that he was living .. IMO I find it reasonable to believe that this conflicted life he was leading at that time led to an unhappiness that possibly is seen in his eyes in several of his photos leading up to his death.. that's no judgement on my part either way, but rather just an objective view from the outside looking in and what I see as a possibility of the conflicted life he was entagled within..

with all that said and my opinion being that he was not a saint by any means I do however still find it possible that the exchange of emails that were entered into evidence today where he blasted her with what he thought of her and felt for her... while I don't find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe he was capable of saying such.. I do however find it seemingly possible given what is known about her achieving full access to his social media accts and email accts..well.. could it be that she possibly sent them to herself?

doesn't at all sound far fetched to me especially in knowing she attempted the forged pedo letters also supposedly written and sent by TA.. so, might she have also been the actual author of the degrading, blasting emails about her character?

She easily could have written them via one of us email accts, sent them to her email acct and then with the click of a couple of keys have simply erased any traces of the emails having ever been sent so far as he could tell from looking at his email acct.. quite honestly there would have been no trace of their having been sent by just merely looking at his email acct..of course she could and imo would quickly bring forward these blasting emails to show how abusive he was and her email acct would CLEARLY CONFIRM HER CLAIM in showing they originated from TA's email acct..

Guess I'll have to find out a little more about the emails to determine whether this is really a viable possibility or not..but just saying that I'm not convinced that JA is NOT the author of the blasting emails sent to her from TA's email acct AT THIS TIME(which easily could change when I learn more specifics about the emails, dates they were sent, etc)...

again I'm not at all expressing that I believe TA was incapable of writing the blasting emails ..more so the issue is that I trust this defendant ZERO and believe anything said or introduced by her has great likelihood of being FALSE, UNTRUE, BS all for the sole purpose of self serving on her part.

All jmo.

 

[KMouse]

I wonder if she washed him off thinking this would wash her sexual DNA off his body...

Absolutely.

 

[smokey]

Those are storage brackets for closets that form a cubicle, I have never seen them used like TA did as a room divider.

ive used metal grids like that to keep my puppy off the carpet

 

[PrincessSezMe]

while I personally am under no false impression of TA being an exemplary, top notch choir boy AT ALL..and in my own personal opinion I do believe in some of his photos there is the presence of unhappiness(which is hard to determine whether that is merely situational at the time of each pic..or something more regularly felt by himself about his life).. I find it reasonable to believe that he was quite likely extremely conflicted in the two sides that there appears to be in the life he lived...

in that his wanting to be a devout Mormon adhering to their principles in his everyday life...and in his seeming other side of the coin wilder side that he was living .. IMO I find it reasonable to believe that this conflicted life he was leading at that time led to an unhappiness that possibly is seen in his eyes in several of his photos leading up to his death.. that's no judgement on my part either way, but rather just an objective view from the outside looking in and what I see as a possibility of the conflicted life he was entagled within..

with all that said and my opinion being that he was not a saint by any means I do however still find it possible that the exchange of emails that were entered into evidence today where he blasted her with what he thought of her and felt for her... while I don't find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe he was capable of saying such.. I do however find it seemingly possible given what is known about her achieving full access to his social media accts and email accts..well.. could it be that she possibly sent them to herself?

doesn't at all sound far fetched to me especially in knowing she attempted the forged pedo letters also supposedly written and sent by TA.. so, might she have also been the actual author of the degrading, blasting emails about her character?

She easily could have written them via one of us email accts, sent them to her email acct and then with the click of a couple of keys have simply erased any traces of the emails having ever been sent so far as he could tell from looking at his email acct.. quite honestly there would have been no trace of their having been sent by just merely looking at his email acct..of course she could and imo would quickly bring forward these blasting emails to show how abusive he was and her email acct would CLEARLY CONFIRM HER CLAIM in showing they originated from TA's email acct..

Guess I'll have to find out a little more about the emails to determine whether this is really a viable possibility or not..but just saying that I'm not convinced that JA is NOT the author of the blasting emails sent to her from TA's email acct AT THIS TIME(which easily could change when I learn more specifics about the emails, dates they were sent, etc)...

again I'm not at all expressing that I believe TA was incapable of writing the blasting emails ..more so the issue is that I trust this defendant ZERO and believe anything said or introduced by her has great likelihood of being FALSE, UNTRUE, BS all for the sole purpose of self serving on her part.

All jmo.

VERY interesting post. I hadn't heard anything about the pedo letters though. Although I've been keeping up to date with this case, I may have missed some of this coming out. Do you have a link? TIA!

 

[Chanler]

Chanler - Didn't it come out in testimony today though that there were pics of them having sex? I thought I heard that (something said about a sex "tape", but then later something about photos on the camera?). I was reading a lot of stuff online though, so that could be from something I read. If there were pics though, that would imply that she ambushed him in the shower after they had sex. Maybe because she pushed for a commitment, and he didn't give her the response she wanted?

Hi, PrincessSezMe. Being at work and with oodles to do, I could not watch the trial, so I'm relying on what I have read. I believe that the sex tape was taken another time and brought up to show the explicitness of their relationship. Before the shower incident, they took pictures of one another naked in bed and perhaps took pictures of some sexual interaction. As far as I know, there are no pictures of sex in the shower area. I welcome any corrections.

I think that her stealing the gun, bringing the gun, making the surprise business, and (to me at least) having a logical plan to make Travis as defenseless as possible to attack add up to a conviction that she had decided to kill him at least three weeks before the attack.

 

[KMouse]

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Wow. This was not a game. I really can;t believe some of what I;m reading on this thread. It's almost like you're saying that if someone acts like a player they need to know they are risking being murdered. Wow.

Not what I meant at all.
What I meant was that there are people out there who are players and Travis may have been one...or not. Maybe he played Jody but she was playing him all along and he had no idea that this was going to turn into a fatal attraction. No disrespect to the victim intended.

 

[JSR]

You can see the neck better in the picture here. And I agree, he doesn't look in pain but does look very stunned.

I thought I heard/read somewhere that it started in the shower and moved to the bathroom and to the doorway/hallway before she dragged him back into the shower. I also remember hearing, one of her interviews?, something about him saying...my legs, I can't move my legs. So I think a stab in the back would have made it really easy to overpower him. jmo

I agree. I don't think the attack had started yet when the last photo was taken. I think he finished his shower, got out and she started the attack close to the sink. There are a lot of stab wounds to his back so at some point he had his back to her. And he did have a few defensive wounds as well. I think with the hand print in the hall in blood shows that he did try and make a run for it. And got as far as the end of the hallway where the tile and carpet meet.

 

[KMouse]

As long as his heart is still pumping a stab or puncture of some kind will result in blood splatter.

It's clear from the sink that there was blood splatter. It wasn't just a pool of blood but rather splatter. So at some point in the attack Travis was stabbed around that sink. I couldn't tell you how far he was from the sink when he was stabbed but he had to be in the vicinity of it. Hopefully the states blood splatter expert will be able to provide those details to the jury.

It's my opinion that he was first stabbed then shot. The shell casing didn't have blood on it just around it. Which would lead me to believe the blood was already on the floor before he was shot.

He may have been struggling with her or stumbling around in a haze of pain with her coming at him for more.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Further to the "sex pics" on the camera, here's a timeline I found at HLN. The pics were found by forensics on June 19th. From what I heard/read today these sex photos were date stamped and were the same day he was murdered. http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/01/jodi-arias-travis-alexander-killer-romance

 

[KMouse]

That's because she used the clothes she washed to clean up some of the blood. There were no punctures in any of his clothes and they were at one point covered in blood. I would venture to think that he was wearing only a towel when the attack began and she used the towel and the shirt to clean up the blood.

And you would be surprised how strong someone is when they are filled with that much rage. She clearly had to be completely filled with rage to inflict that many wounds on him. This wasn't a quick attack, this had to have taken a decent amount of time.

And what an adrenaline blast it would be too to give her the energy and strength for such a massacre.

 

[Curious Me]

Makes me mad to hear Travis being presented as the cruel one. Say what? This woman cut him, cut him, cut him down. Why'd she keep coming 'round, huh?

Some ex-lovers turn into stalkers, and Jodi seems to fit the bill. I can very well understand how Travis said some cruel things to her after she kept persisting. She had her own agenda and it seems she was unwilling to respect him and what he was trying to tell her. (like he wasn't that into her)

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Hi, PrincessSezMe. Being at work and with oodles to do, I could not watch the trial, so I'm relying on what I have read. I believe that the sex tape was taken another time and brought up to show the explicitness of their relationship. Before the shower incident, they took pictures of one another naked in bed and perhaps took pictures of some sexual interaction. As far as I know, there are no pictures of sex in the shower area. I welcome any corrections.

I think that her stealing the gun, bringing the gun, making the surprise business, and (to me at least) having a logical plan to make Travis as defenseless as possible to attack add up to a conviction that she had decided to kill him at least three weeks before the attack.

I was lucky enough to be off this week so I was able to watch it live, but I was also watching a lot of video online about the case so I may have seen that info about the sex pics there. What I do remember is that the date stamp was the same day of the murder, so she absolutely got him when he was most vulnerable.

Let's hope the jury sees it the way you see it and she gets at least LWOP. This was a brutal murder, and I just don't see her as any kind of victim in it.

 

[Chanler]

I agree. I don't think the attack had started yet when the last photo was taken. I think he finished his shower, got out and she started the attack close to the sink. There are a lot of stab wounds to his back so at some point he had his back to her. And he did have a few defensive wounds as well. I think with the hand print in the hall in blood shows that he did try and make a run for it. And got as far as the end of the hallway where the tile and carpet meet.

Hi, JSR. Thank you. For me, you have made the stabbing first scenario seem more plausible. As I have written, I think of Jodi's attack as being well-planned and I had previously thought that a gunshot would have made more sense. An attack from behind seems plausible. Asking Travis to pose for a rear view picture would have made him less prepared for a knife attack.

That said, I'm still not entirely convinced from the bullet evidence that the gunshot didn't come first.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

What stands out to me the first two days of this trial is how much this defendant reminds me of Casey Anthony. The fake tears (with a dry tissue), the constant preening of the hair, the blank vacuous look, the copious note taking all look sooooo familiar.

The prosecutor is no LDB or JA though. I'm hoping he makes his point without losing the jury in the process. And at least we don't have a Jose Baez giving the whole thing a circus atmosphere. Although her DA sure has a loud tie and a very LARGE watch LoL.

 

[manzana]

Makes me mad to hear Travis being presented as the cruel one. Say what? This woman cut him, cut him, cut him down. Why'd she keep coming 'round, huh?

Some ex-lovers turn into stalkers, and Jodi seems to fit the bill. I can very well understand how Travis said some cruel things to her after she kept persisting. She had her own agenda and it seems she was unwilling to respect him.

Sorry but I am not hearing that, Travis imo enjoyed her company, there is no way she would have been around that long if he did not want her to be there. She showed up at three am, stayed way over twelve hours to when it happened. If her presence was annoying, she would have been gone or it would have happened much earlier. They spent time together, taking photos of each other. Travis's emails mean little or nothing if one believes he sent them, so he referred to her as a , how many men see prostitutes and are able to separate this from their wives? I think he did see her as a , but one who gave it up for free. Travis was not interested in Jodi and had interests elsewhere but sometimes a good bootie call is just that.

 

[Steely Dan]

Makes her sound like the manipulative, abusive one, not him.

I stand corrected. Unless there is more to it. I guess I just assume the guy is always the one who's sex drive is the highest. JMO

I'm impatient to hear now how Defense will explain so many atrocious injuries to Travis, 29 stab wounds, cut throat and then the shot in the head in a self-defense motive when Jodi wasn't injured. He was much larger and stronger than she. You have to get really close to someone to stab them but she managed to do so much damage without any defensive wounds on her.

That''ll definitely be a good fairytale. JMO

 

[Curious Me]

I heard someone on JVM say the blood splatters at the sink area may have been spit out blood which was not something I had considered.