Jose B and H. Lee at the Crime Scene OLD THREAD REVISIT

[Valrico Analyzer]

OK GERALDO UPDATE 732PM..

Defense has panties in a wad because they're not being allowed to even observe LE work the site.

LE wisely moved the crime tape 75' away from scene and vehicles parked in the way.

Sorry Scheme team. Thats what the judge said..you can have it when they're finished. You say dragging their feet, they say being thorough...

Im sure as soon as it rains, they'll turn it over. Now defense says they will critique every step the LE does.

HaHA I love the posturing. especially when it benefits the LE!!

 

[zoey]

again CRIME SCENE--they want to partake in that?? I wonder what they will say when LE wants to watch them.....

in FL they do get to swap info don't they????

jmo

 

[Valrico Analyzer]

YOU GUYS......

GERALDO RIVERA also said...

"CA & GA HAVE AGREED TO SUBMIT FINGERPRINTS TO EXCLUDE THEM FROM THE ONES ON THE TAPE"

Did he mean "IF" they're found on the tape? We just looked at each other and said uh-oh. No wonder the defense wants in there so bad.

 

[TigerBalm]

could the prosecution discredit Lee by using the ruling against Lee from the Phil S case?

IMO, that can be brought up in court if he testifies, the defense with try to keep it out of course.

 

[Brini]

Since when are defense lawyers allowed at an active crime scene?? Am I wrong about this? Seems tremendously unprecedented...

They felt they HAD to. That's where all the cameras were. :-(

 

[MiraclesHappen]

YOU GUYS......

GERALDO RIVERA also said...

"CA & GA HAVE AGREED TO SUBMIT FINGERPRINTS TO EXCLUDE THEM FROM THE ONES ON THE TAPE"

Did he mean "IF" they're found on the tape? We just looked at each other and said uh-oh. No wonder the defense wants in there so bad.

Wow.

Like we think they do not already have those.:crazy:

If that is what defense is trying to accomplish, they would know it is illegal to play with evidence. They also know they are under media scrutiny.

The investigation is not in a no fly zone.
jmho

 

[MissJames]

IMO, that can be brought up in court if he testifies, the defense with try to keep it out of course.

I sure hope so.I really thought we had seen the last of H. Lee after that fiasco. I wonder if the State can request Lee not handle evidence ?They let him hava a turn with the car,but it seems like they would have grounds .A judge ruled he lost or with held evidence and then lied about it.That should hold a lot of weight.

 

[Valrico Analyzer]

again CRIME SCENE--they want to partake in that?? I wonder what they will say when LE wants to watch them.....

in FL they do get to swap info don't they????

jmo

YEP. as soon as the SA/LE does their tests they hand them over to the defense.

Any bets on how long it will take for SA on cross to ask Mr. Henry Lee about this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18825634/

excerpt from above website:

LOS ANGELES - The judge in Phil Spector’s murder trial ruled Wednesday that a renowned forensic expert removed and hid a tiny but potentially important piece of evidence from the prosecution but will not be held in contempt.

Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler rejected a prosecution bid to instruct jurors that Henry Lee is not a credible witness, saying he would allow them to make that decision themselves.

But he said the prosecution would be allowed to present all evidence on the issue, including that presented outside the presence of the jury, to impeach Lee’s credibility if he testifies for the defense.

As Scooby Doo says, "RUT-RO"

 

[concernedperson]

YOU GUYS......

GERALDO RIVERA also said...

"CA & GA HAVE AGREED TO SUBMIT FINGERPRINTS TO EXCLUDE THEM FROM THE ONES ON THE TAPE"

Did he mean "IF" they're found on the tape? We just looked at each other and said uh-oh. No wonder the defense wants in there so bad.

I caught that. Pretty good evidence if, in fact, there are prints on the tape.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

YEP. as soon as the SA/LE does their tests they hand them over to the defense.

Any bets on how long it will take for SA on cross to ask Mr. Henry Lee about this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18825634/

excerpt from above website:

LOS ANGELES - The judge in Phil Spector’s murder trial ruled Wednesday that a renowned forensic expert removed and hid a tiny but potentially important piece of evidence from the prosecution but will not be held in contempt.

Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler rejected a prosecution bid to instruct jurors that Henry Lee is not a credible witness, saying he would allow them to make that decision themselves.

But he said the prosecution would be allowed to present all evidence on the issue, including that presented outside the presence of the jury, to impeach Lee’s credibility if he testifies for the defense.

As Scooby Doo says, "RUT-RO"

LE does have to hand over their test results. They will hand them off to the Prosecution who will then make a nice Christmas package for the defense.

I hope they use their grace period, allowed through the criminal rules, to time it as a gift. resent: Merry Christmas, Casey.

As for Dr. Lee, that just shows how wonderfully sneaky he is. Really, a mastermind of deception.
He got caught when he didn't have this publicized black mark against him.

 

[DianeB]

Dr Lee was the chief criminalist for the state of Connecticut. I wonder how many times he allowed a defendant's attorney to watch him investigate a crime scene.

As far as his value as an expert witness, I'm thinking that Jose won't call him to the stand, but will use his expertise as a background adviser. That Spector trial stunt perma-glued a big ol' piece of Samsonite to him.

Could be why there are so many Expert Witnesses in the bunch - Jose will pick and choose to use only the ones he feels will help his case the most.

 

[ajurk]

Dr Werner Spitz has just spoken out with his disdain that the State will not allow the defense team to view the autopsy and I think he said where the body was found. He said science is science and it doesn't change. He would just be watching.

Geraldo said then that the State has a very strong case against Casey, and now it is simply a matter to determine:

* . . if Casey acted alone

* . . If Caylee suffered before her death

* . . If it would be Murder 1 or Murder 2

* . . If there was anyone else involved in any other way


Remembering of course that Geraldo is just an investigative reporter, putting out his thoughts on TV just as we write our speculative thoughts here. It seems to me his first and last points are the same

i think he means involved in anything, not just the murder... like did someone know and not go to the police, did someone help expose of or move the body, if death was caused by chloroform, did someone supply it to casey with the intent or knowledge that she was drugging caylee with it...this is how i took it to mean

also, LE is at the crime scene, right? are the prosecutors trying this case at the crime scene? because if they are not, then why is defense complaining? how many murder cases so the defense get to go to the crime scene while the body is still there? im guessing slim to none. just like "someone" said on NG or Greta, or whoever the other night, they are just asking for things that they know they will get denied on for smoke and mirrors during the trial. they need anything they can to deflect attention away from casey.

 

[BonKai]

The implication to me is that LE and others have to be watched like hawks by the defense team. Seems to me they're just continuing the A spin to discredit everyone and everything. It's planting seeds of doubt about competence and honesty. Didn't JB want to go over the main detectives' personnel files? I still remember what happened to Mark Fuhrman.

ETA: completion of thought

Agreed. I personally see this as JB attempting to obstruct the investigation. Much like his client and her family have attempted to obstruct this investigation. I hope the defense team reads this!

 

[Brini]

OMG! KC said, in one of those tapes where she's talking to her folks in prison, that she, "Prays every day that they see Caylee's little face, again."

KC! Your prayers have been answered! You are blessed!

 

[hpvdr]

The way I understood it in court the other day was that if these remains have not been identified then no matter who the victim is "others" (not LE/FBI) are not allowed to view the autopsy/crime scene out of respect for the victim and their family.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Dr Lee was the chief criminalist for the state of Connecticut. I wonder how many times he allowed a defendant's attorney to watch him investigate a crime scene.

As far as his value as an expert witness, I'm thinking that Jose won't call him to the stand, but will use his expertise as a background adviser. That Spector trial stunt perma-glued a big ol' piece of Samsonite to him.

Could be why there are so many Expert Witnesses in the bunch - Jose will pick and choose to use only the ones he feels will help his case the most.

Yes, but he may have shot himself in the foot, at some fleeting moment when it wasn't in his mouth.

I do believe that the criminal rules will allow the prosecution to access those who deal with evidence, even if not named as witnesses.

I have heard NG warn him about this:wink:

 

[DotsEyes]

In civil cases, the opposition can call those who are "consultants" even if the other party does not call them to testify. I am not familiar with FL criminal law, so I can not voice an opinion as to whether the same rules apply.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

In civil cases, the opposition can call those who are "consultants" even if the other party does not call them to testify. I am not familiar with FL criminal law, so I can not voice an opinion as to whether the same rules apply.

:run::wave:

From FL Criminal Procedure:

B) Within 15 days after receipt of the prosecutor’s Discovery Exhibit the defendant shall serve a written
Discovery Exhibit which shall disclose to and permit the prosecutor to inspect, copy, test, and photograph the
following information and material that is in the defendant’s possession or control:
(i) the statement of any person listed in subdivision (d)(1)(A), other than that of the defendant;
(ii) reports or statements of experts made in connection with the particular case, including results of
physical or mental examinations and of scientific tests, experiments, or comparisons;

And,

to this we can add, also from the Rules:


(i) Investigations Not to Be Impeded. Except as is otherwise provided as to matters not subject to disclosure or
restricted by protective orders, neither the counsel for the parties nor other prosecution or defense personnel shall
advise persons having relevant material or information (except the defendant) to refrain from discussing the case
with opposing counsel or showing opposing counsel any relevant material, nor shall they otherwise impede opposing
counsel’s investigation of the case.

This is a small token of my gratitude for the hilarious super-nanny post.:blowkiss:

 

[SuziQ]

OK GERALDO UPDATE 732PM..

Defense has panties in a wad because they're not being allowed to even observe LE work the site.

LE wisely moved the crime tape 75' away from scene and vehicles parked in the way.

Sorry Scheme team. Thats what the judge said..you can have it when they're finished. You say dragging their feet, they say being thorough...

Im sure as soon as it rains, they'll turn it over. Now defense says they will critique every step the LE does.

HaHA I love the posturing. especially when it benefits the LE!!

I just watched a fox vid and cracked up. The defense team was was down the block behind the tape. They weren't allowed any closer than the public was. A defense team demanding to be at the actual active crime scene is absurd. Saw LP leaning against a truck staring them down.

 

[MOMto5]

YOU GUYS......

GERALDO RIVERA also said...

"CA & GA HAVE AGREED TO SUBMIT FINGERPRINTS TO EXCLUDE THEM FROM THE ONES ON THE TAPE"

Did he mean "IF" they're found on the tape? We just looked at each other and said uh-oh. No wonder the defense wants in there so bad.

Wow! I hadn't heard this. Sounds like maybe they did find prints, huh? I sure hope so.