Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager in 2006 *report released 2015* #4 *Dismissed*

[Margo/Mom]

I want to make sure everyone is sitting down -- and if you're taking any heart medication, you might want to just scroll and roll past this message. It may be rather shocking to many of you here:

"RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that Josh, 27, has not shown up to the rehab’s mandatory meetings and church services.

On Friday, August 28, eyewitnesses spotted Reformers Unanimous “students” pulling up to the facility’s affiliate, North Love Baptist Church, in a van for a local chapter meeting of the group, which promotes recovery from addiction through Bible studies.

However, Josh was absent from the large party."

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-ne...rehab-no-show-rehab-meetings-church-services/


Big surprise, I know. But to be fair to Josh, the therapeutic value of the treatment at that facility is probably about the same as watching an episode of '19 and Cringing'.

Yeah--I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing that Josh has left the RU treatment--if that's what happened (another possibility is that they are keeping him out of sight of cameras by having him go to services elsewhere, or in some other way).

If he left on his own it says that he is willing to stand up to his dad and the other fundies surrounding him. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean he's going into any treatment or therapy elsewhere. Who knows what his personal "bottom" looks like. Frankly, there are lots and lots of cheaters walking around living perfectly normal-looking lives. What makes his transgressions front page news is the combination of his notoriety and his association with right-wing fundamentalist beliefs that claim sexual purity. Some publications have already pointed out that for many in similar straits, "treatment" is not really about mental health, but rather a means of medicalizing wrong-doing and saving face.

If anyone here seriously believes that Josh's present difficulties are related to an addiction, please raise your hand.

I don't think he has been making healthy good choices (paying random folks for unprotected sex while married and with a pregnant wife--not good). And I do think he could benefit tremendously from a therapeutic sorting out of what he's running from and why he repeatedly does things he claims to believe are sinful.

But, running away from that (non) treatment center--well, that might just be his first step towards getting better.

 

[Margo/Mom]

So is Josh Dugger really going to get "real, therapeutic" help? I feel so badly for his wife and children.

If there is a silver lining in this, maybe a few heads will come out of the sand because of this story. Wishful thinking?

I hope.

If nothing else, it should bring a few terms like Quiverfull and Independent Fundamentalist Baptist into the forefront. And perhaps there will be a broader public understanding that some beliefs are not simply quaint or different--but actually steeped in ongoing harm.

We do have a growing number of kids brought up in such households who now count themselves amongst the "recovering," creating and joining online groups, as well as some former wives who have left behind the subtle abuse of being taught subservience in all things.

 

[Cardinal47]

Break in ranks. We'll see if anyone else can follow suit now that Jessa has been so strong.

If Jim Bob and Michelle have any power left they will silence all of them. Ben's father is the first in the outer circle 'family' to speak up. JB and M aren't going to have that in their kingdom.

They might not have any power over their children's inlaws but they still rule the roost in their own 19kids and counting.

It will be interesting to watch this one play out.

 

[Margo/Mom]

If Jim Bob and Michelle have any power left they will silence all of them. Ben's father is the first in the outer circle 'family' to speak up. JB and M aren't going to have that in their kingdom.

They might not have any power over their children's inlaws but they still rule the roost in their own 19kids and counting.

It will be interesting to watch this one play out.

Josh's disappearance from the supposed site of his "treatment" suggests that they don't have so much power over their kids as they would prefer.

I don't see Jessa and the Seewalds as breaking ranks so much as toeing the party line. It would appear that the ranks are closing behind Josh.

 

[Inthedetails]

Josh's disappearance from the supposed site of his "treatment" suggests that they don't have so much power over their kids as they would prefer.

I don't see Jessa and the Seewalds as breaking ranks so much as toeing the party line. It would appear that the ranks are closing behind Josh.

I don't think Josh disappeared at all. I think his parents put him elsewhere and let the media think he's at the place in Illinois. The plane ride up there was a ruse, imo, and I still think they are in control of him.

JMO, could be wrong.

 

[LinasK]

If Jim Bob and Michelle have any power left they will silence all of them. Ben's father is the first in the outer circle 'family' to speak up. JB and M aren't going to have that in their kingdom.

They might not have any power over their children's inlaws but they still rule the roost in their own 19kids and counting.

It will be interesting to watch this one play out.

Hopefully Josh brings the "walls" of the Duggar clan tumbling down, as did the biblical Joshua in Jericho.

 

[Cardinal47]

Hopefully Josh brings the "walls" of the Duggar clan tumbling down, as did the biblical Joshua in Jericho.

Gosh I remembered this one from MY childhood. Just had to share it.

[video=youtube;Hu7mJElpE1Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu7mJElpE1Y[/video]

 

[lonetraveler]

Woman Who Josh Duggar Had Unprotected Sex With Recalls Shocking Pregnancy Scare –– ‘It’s The Worst Thing That Could Happen’

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-cheating-pregnancy-scare/

This article is beyond ridiculous. "Love child"? Really! Between a paid sex worker and Duggar? Using the term "Love Child" nearly made me puke. Then are we the public suppose to think that a sex worker would not be on birth control? A condom used in the sex industry is usually used to protect against STDs. GMAB

 

[Donjeta]

This article is beyond ridiculous. "Love child"? Really! Between a paid sex worker and Duggar? Using the term "Love Child" nearly made me puke. Then are we the public suppose to think that a sex worker would not be on birth control? A condom used in the sex industry is usually used to protect against STDs. GMAB

The Radar article doesn't explicitly say it's a paid sex worker though. It could be anyone (assuming Josh can score without paying someone).

 

[Margo/Mom]

I don't think Josh disappeared at all. I think his parents put him elsewhere and let the media think he's at the place in Illinois. The plane ride up there was a ruse, imo, and I still think they are in control of him.

JMO, could be wrong.

Don't disagree that it could be a ruse (or that he's there and just being kept under wraps until stuff dies down).

Still, I think that Josh's behavior over time shows that he hasn't been under their thumb so much as they might prefer. The stuff we know about is likely the tip of the iceberg. While I'm sure that Dad's influence has great value (lining up jobs and appearances and so forth), I think Josh has most likely been phoning it in for quite some time.

And there are economic considerations on Dad's side as well. The Duggar brand has clearly taken a nose dive. They gotta fix Josh, hide Josh, or give him a new suit of clothes, or else they have to cut him loose if they have any hope of recouping. But in terms of control--well, I don't think they have truly been in control of Josh for a long time.

 

[Cardinal47]

I think Josh has been living a double life for some time. 'He speaks with forked tongue'!

To the world he sends out the family message...watch us, follow us, be saved by our beliefs.

But then there was the dark side of Josh Dugger. The closed doors. The one nobody saw.
I wonder if Anna had any idea? They say wives always know but I have found that to not be completely true. How many wives are surprised when they hear their husbands are cheating.

It takes a very clever person to pull the wool over the eyes of those closest to them. Many get away with it and many don't.

I do feel very sorry for Anna and those four little children. I remember watching them on tv and she was raising them so well. They were perky and just a joy.

Josh ruined so many lives with his sinful, selfish lifestyle. I don't know if such a person can ever be rehabilitated? His evils go back so far.

 

[Margo/Mom]

This article is beyond ridiculous. "Love child"? Really! Between a paid sex worker and Duggar? Using the term "Love Child" nearly made me puke. Then are we the public suppose to think that a sex worker would not be on birth control? A condom used in the sex industry is usually used to protect against STDs. GMAB

Not sure how many women there have been. I don't think this is the same woman who performs in a club, has made movies and was "gifted" a couple of large sums for having "consensual" relations. I would imagine that she knows all about prevention (as well as what words to say in order to make it appear as though their liaison was legal--despite the quid pro quo).

Having unprotected relations, however, certainly puts the rest of his family at risk for diseases--which I find even more loathsome.

 

[Margo/Mom]

I think Josh has been living a double life for some time. 'He speaks with forked tongue'!

To the world he sends out the family message...watch us, follow us, be saved by our beliefs.

But then there was the dark side of Josh Dugger. The closed doors. The one nobody saw.
I wonder if Anna had any idea? They say wives always know but I have found that to not be completely true. How many wives are surprised when they hear their husbands are cheating.

It takes a very clever person to pull the wool over the eyes of those closest to them. Many get away with it and many don't.

I do feel very sorry for Anna and those four little children. I remember watching them on tv and she was raising them so well. They were perky and just a joy.

Josh ruined so many lives with his sinful, selfish lifestyle. I don't know if such a person can ever be rehabilitated? His evils go back so far.

Anna is 27, mother of four and neither well-educated nor worldly.

Not to mention, she most likely prefers to believe that her man and king are on the up and up.

I'd say he felt in no danger of being found out at home.

 

[LinasK]

Gosh I remembered this one from MY childhood. Just had to share it.

[video=youtube;Hu7mJElpE1Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu7mJElpE1Y[/video]

That's it! That's the song I'm thinking of!:winner:

 

[LinasK]

Don't disagree that it could be a ruse (or that he's there and just being kept under wraps until stuff dies down).

Still, I think that Josh's behavior over time shows that he hasn't been under their thumb so much as they might prefer. The stuff we know about is likely the tip of the iceberg. While I'm sure that Dad's influence has great value (lining up jobs and appearances and so forth), I think Josh has most likely been phoning it in for quite some time.

And there are economic considerations on Dad's side as well. The Duggar brand has clearly taken a nose dive. They gotta fix Josh, hide Josh, or give him a new suit of clothes, or else they have to cut him loose if they have any hope of recouping. But in terms of control--well, I don't think they have truly been in control of Josh for a long time.

BBM. How can you be an effective, knowing parent of 19 kids??? One kid alone can be sneaky and you'll never completely know what they are up to, especially if they are determined.

 

[wendiesan]

"Heavenly Father" As far as I know, only Mormons/LDS refer to God as "Heavenly Father".

I'll disagree with you here. The gentle reference to the patriarchal genderization of the Supreme Being stands, IMO, in stark contrast to the characterization of the Deity as a vengeful and intolerant supernatural version of a warlord. The term is used by many denominations including but not limited to the Lutheran Church, both Evangelical and Missouri Synods (http://www.lutheranchurch-canada.ca/missions/mission_prayers_mar2012.pdf); the Anglican Church (http://diohuron.org/what/diocesan_ministries/ACW.php); the Episcopal Church (http://holycommunionepiscopal.blogspot.ca/2013/06/a-prayer-for-fathers-day.html); the Roman Catholic Church (http://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=3150); the Baptist Church (http://fbcn.org/ways-to-show-the-heavenly-father-to-your-children/) and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (http://www.stvladimirs.com/15easter.pdf). Evangelicals use the term as well. My understanding is that "Heavenly Father" is not a common term for Muslims to use since "There is nothing like male Allah or female Allah. Allah has no gender." and the term could be seen as anthropomorphism. http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/conceptofGod.htm

The term has been used in lyrics by artists whose work and backgrounds are as diverse as Hildgard von Bingen (1), Isaiah Rashad (2), Cece Winans (3), Deitrick Haddon (4), Chino XL (5), Karolina Sandell-Berg (6), Edna McGriff (7), Aretha Franklin (8), Jon Foreman (9), Bon Ivor (10)

1. http://www.hildegard-society.org/2014/10/o-tu-suavissima-virga-responsory.html
2. http://www.earmilk.com/album-reviews/185232/isaiah-rashad/cilvia-demo/
3. http://www.metrolyrics.com/heavenly-father-lyrics-cece-winans.html
4. http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/893/deitrick_haddon..7_days..heavenly_father.html
5. http://genius.com/Chino-xl-heavenly-father-lyrics
6. http://www.hymnary.org/text/children_of_the_heavenly_father
7. http://secondhandsongs.com/work/133713/all
8. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_...gs_from_the_Golden_Reign_of_the_Queen_of_Soul
9. http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107858679298/
10.http://www.npr.org/sections/allsong...remiere-bon-iver-writes-a-tune-for-zach-braff

 

[flourish]

BBM. How can you be an effective, knowing parent of 19 kids??? One kid alone can be sneaky and you'll never completely know what they are up to, especially if they are determined.

I had only heard lds using the term heavenly father until very recently. So I get the confusion there.

I was the youngest of seven. My mom was super organized and my parents could afford to have mom stay home. It was great having her there when I got home from school.

That being said, I don't think there is really any way a parent or two can truly give each child what they need when there's that many. I was lucky that, being the baby, I had a lot of one on one mom time because they were all moved out by the time I hit junior high. But I'm quite certain my older siblings did not get that special time. I think in general parents really do all the kids a disservice when they have so many. I don't think it's at all fair or appropriate for older siblings to be primary caregivers for the younger ones. They aren't the ones who decided to get pregnant again, and they have the fundamental right to a childhood IMO.

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[Donjeta]

In another surprising twist, the family’s private plane took a mystery trip on August 27 across the Duggars’ home state of Arkansas. The plane arrived in Paragould, a quiet, eastern town, around 9 am, and took off for home in Springdale around 6 pm.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-ne...rehab-no-show-rehab-meetings-church-services/

Some internet rumors are suggesting he might be checking out this place in Paragould:
http://missionteens.com/program.html

 

[Inthedetails]

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-ne...rehab-no-show-rehab-meetings-church-services/

Some internet rumors are suggesting he might be checking out this place in Paragould:
http://missionteens.com/program.html

I've stopped caring where he is - I think the family is being manipulative. They have a claim for privacy, to be sure, but I don't think that's what they are going for. I think they are planting these "where is his treatment center" stories themselves to stay in the public eye. Blech. I don't care where he is as long as he's not preaching to the public about how everyone else should behave.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

That's it! That's the song I'm thinking of!:winner:

Did y'all know that song originated as a Negro (as they were commonly called) spiritual? It's true.

And it's been covered by Elvis Presley and...Hugh Laurie.