Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 #2

[sds71]

A federal judge Monday denied motions to suppress evidence from electronic devices seized from Josh Duggar, which federal prosecutors are expected to use during his upcoming child trial.

U.S. District Judge Timothy L. Brooks also said a hearing on the issues isn't warranted.
In blow to Duggar defense, judge won't suppress evidence collected in child case

 

[mickey2942]

INMO, Josh Duggar's defense is going to be, "It wasn't me, it was..." and shift blame on anyone else. Reasonable Doubt.

That being said, I don't think it will work. From the limited information we have, the evidence has time and date of when the CSAM was downloaded, watched, on the specific device, that was password protected with Josh Duggar's login, on a computer that had a specific design to hide CSAM material on the device.

My opinion is that he should take whatever deal is offered. I doubt that he will. He is probably thinking that he can beat this. That will be amazing. Maybe his legal team can do it.

I wonder if this will be a jury trial or a bench trial? Can he choose?

 

[Springrain]

INMO, Josh Duggar's defense is going to be, "It wasn't me, it was..." and shift blame on anyone else. Reasonable Doubt.

That being said, I don't think it will work. From the limited information we have, the evidence has time and date of when the CSAM was downloaded, watched, on the specific device, that was password protected with Josh Duggar's login, on a computer that had a specific design to hide CSAM material on the device.

My opinion is that he should take whatever deal is offered. I doubt that he will. He is probably thinking that he can beat this. That will be amazing. Maybe his legal team can do it.

I wonder if this will be a jury trial or a bench trial? Can he choose?

I agree. He will (attempt to) shift the blame onto anyone and everyone he can, not take a plea deal, and hopefully (God willing) get sent to the slammer.

 

[Shamrock1]

A big problem is that the CSAM involved toddlers & young children. I can appreciate (not condone, mind you) that a juror or two might regard SA of an older teen as just a hair away from legal materials. Can’t do that kind of mental gymnastics with the ages here. JMO.

 

[Springrain]

A big problem is that the CSAM involved toddlers & young children. I can appreciate (not condone, mind you) that a juror or two might regard SA of an older teen as just a hair away from legal materials. Can’t do that kind of mental gymnastics with the ages here. JMO.

Exactly. It's not like they were 16. The youngest victim on the CSA material, that we know of, was 18 months old. That's pure, sick evil and pedophilia to the extreme. Nobody can defend that.

 

[mickey2942]

I know this much, I wouldn't want him around any toddlers. JMO

 

[Springrain]

I know this much, I wouldn't want him around any toddlers. JMO

Or any children at all, or women...really, I wouldn't want him around other men either, ideally.

 

[Cool Cats]

Josh Duggar Child Case: Judge Denies Another Defense Motion to Suppress Evidence Before Trial

Over the past several months, Josh Duggar's legal team has filed five motions regarding the evidence in his ongoing child sex abuse material case — all of which have now been denied by the presiding judge.

In a Monday court filing obtained by PEOPLE, District Judge Timothy L. Brooks denied the fifth and final motion, a request to suppress evidence gathered by law enforcement officials during the execution of a search warrant in November 2019.

The motion also included a request for a Franks hearing, which is a proceeding held to determine whether police lied in order to obtain a search warrant.

Duggar, who has pleaded not guilty to the charges of receiving and possessing child sex abuse material, had criticized "the methods used by law enforcement to obtain the search warrant," and argued that there was no probable cause to issue it.

Thus, he moved to suppress the evidence found during the execution of the warrant — video files downloaded from the computer at his then place of business, a car sales lot.

However, the court found that a Franks hearing is "not warranted" and denied the motion to suppress, meaning the evidence is fair for the government to use at his upcoming Nov. 30 trial.

"[Duggar] has not shown that federal agents acted with reckless disregard for proper procedure. And he certainly has not shown that the agents acted in bad faith," the Monday filing states.

"Moreover, Mr. Duggar cannot show that he was prejudiced by any delay; the devices remained in law enforcement's safe keeping throughout this time period, and the probable cause warranting the initial seizure of the devices remained viable through the date of indictment."

 

[Cool Cats]

INMO, Josh Duggar's defense is going to be, "It wasn't me, it was..." and shift blame on anyone else. Reasonable Doubt.

That being said, I don't think it will work. From the limited information we have, the evidence has time and date of when the CSAM was downloaded, watched, on the specific device, that was password protected with Josh Duggar's login, on a computer that had a specific design to hide CSAM material on the device.

My opinion is that he should take whatever deal is offered. I doubt that he will. He is probably thinking that he can beat this. That will be amazing. Maybe his legal team can do it.

I wonder if this will be a jury trial or a bench trial? Can he choose?

Josh Duggar's defense team is trying to shift blame onto one of his employees who admitted to watching on the job

Your Quote:

"Josh Duggar's defense is going to be, "It wasn't me, it was..." and shift blame on anyone else. Reasonable Doubt."

In their latest effort to get Josh Duggar's child case tossed out, the former reality-TV star's defense team suggested that authorities should have looked into a different person of interest: one of Duggar's employees.

Duggar's team sought to cast blame on a person identified in court documents as Witness #1. Federal agents interviewed Witness #1 in December 2019, roughly one month after authorities first executed a search warrant at the dealership.

According to court documents, federal agents originally designated Witness #1 a "person of interest to the investigation."

Witness #1 told the investigators that he worked at Duggar's dealership, and had even stayed there overnight "without Duggar's knowledge or permission," Duggar's lawyers said.

Witness #1 also "admitted to viewing adult through websites he accessed through the internet on his cellular phone," though he denied viewing child , according to the court filing.

Though federal agents said in their report that they examined Witness #1's cellphone for evidence of child and found "negative results," Duggar's lawyers blasted the agents for not preserving any content or metadata from the phone.

According to the court filing, federal agents also interviewed two other people, identified as Witness #2 and Witness #3, who allowed investigators to search through their phones.

Defense Complaint

Duggar's defense team noted that the agents did not preserve evidence from either phone.

 

[mickey2942]

"Franks Hearing". To determine if LEO lied to obtain search warrant?

The effort to throw everything on the wall, to see what sticks is complete.

Yes, this situation can get more sordid by the day. So much for owning up and taking responsibility for your actions. Josh Duggar must have missed this ethics lesson somewhere along the line.

 

[MsJosie]

Josh Duggar misses chance to take plea deal in child case

Josh missed his deadline to accept a plea deal. If convicted he faces 20 years behind bars.

 

[RickshawFan]

When is this trial.

 

[MsJosie]

Josh Duggar ordered to provide alibi, witnesses before child case heads to trial


Trial is set for Nov 30, 2021.

 

[watcher9]

Josh Duggar ordered to provide alibi, witnesses before child case heads to trial


Trial is set for Nov 30, 2021.

Didn't want to miss the pre-trial date.
I assume that's when he will provide the info ordered by the judge.

From your link,

Duggar is back in court again on November 18 for pre-trial,...

 

[BeckyF]

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[MsJosie]

Didn't want to miss the pre-trial date.
I assume that's when he will provide the info ordered by the judge.

From your link,

Duggar is back in court again on November 18 for pre-trial,...

Thanks Watcher9

 

[Scrapper18]

KARK is the local, Little Rock, AR NBC station. Wonder why the prosecution is just now trying to seize this computer?

Prosecution seeks possession of Josh Duggar's computer

 

[watcher9]

KARK is the local, Little Rock, AR NBC station. Wonder why the prosecution is just now trying to seize this computer?

Prosecution seeks possession of Josh Duggar's computer

That's interesting, especially if the judge has to rule on it.

I wonder if LE seized the computer and downloaded files for the prosecution?

I think an all-in-one computer has the hard drive encased in the monitor. It may be hard for the jury to understand if they have never seen one.

I found this link talking about the seizure of the computer and files becoming stale and another link about forfeiture.

Judge refuses to suppress video evidence in Josh Duggar case | KNWA FOX24

Forfeiture

 

[BeckyF]

KARK is the local, Little Rock, AR NBC station. Wonder why the prosecution is just now trying to seize this computer?

Prosecution seeks possession of Josh Duggar's computer

Very interesting. Something is going on.

 

[BeckyF]

If you go here and scroll down to Nov. 1st you can open the Bill of Particulars for the case. It doesn't say much but maybe, maybe it was filed because there is a plea deal in the works.
United States v. Duggar, 5:21-cr-50014 – CourtListener.com