Judge Perry admonishes Jose Baez

[Fluffy Puppy]

I understand why Baez was chastised by HHJP today due to questioning DS on something not in his report and therefore not disclosed to the SA. But can someone with a legal background explain to me how the SA got away with introducing the duct tape superimposition on Caylee's face if that was not disclosed to the defense ahead of time ?

I believe it was disclosed by the SA as in: it was part of discovery.

 

[bayouland]

Exactly! He knew,he just thought the judge had to let it slide or he risked an appeal issue. This is a DP case and keeping out an expert witnesses testimony could be huge.
JB and CM know that and are flaunting it. I hope they both pay dearly.

I think the legal advice JB is getting via text from assumedly LKB is working very well, to the SA of course.:great:

 

[GreenTeam]

JB had his witness, TH, talking about things that weren't in his report on Friday. Why didn't he get in trouble for that?

 

[faefrost]

JB had his witness, TH, talking about things that weren't in his report on Friday. Why didn't he get in trouble for that?

It was a minor brush up against the rule in that case. It seemed to originate from the witness and not necessarily the defense. And it was the warning so to speak. HHJP basically told all to knock it off with that and be wary of the pre trial rulings. Today JB chose to once again deliberately ignore said rulings

 

[TiaM]

Thanks for the link. I was following the discussion here but not watching HLN or livestream. JB's arrogance and disrespect for the judge and court procedures is beyond belief! Baez will be lucky to have a legal career after this case ends. No client would hire him knowing how incompetent he is and how he ignores the judge's rulings. Shame on you, Jose!

Unfortunately there is a low-life segment of society who may not ever know much about this case, but they have heard the name Jose Baez over and over and over - the "fame factor" is good enough for them. Then there is the another segment of lowlifes who have heard just enough to know that Jose Baez will play sleazy and dirty for his clients. When the time comes that they need an attorney, guess who they will call?

 

[shelbar53]

When he talked about the "game playing" he was referring to both sides, SA and DT. To be fair, JA has been admonished before and he looked none too pleased. It's no fun being a grown man being talked down to like that.

I still cannot find one instance of JB "eye-rolling." Is everyone referring to the part where he looks up slightly right before JP calls for a recess?

here is an example of the game playing, more so with baez. I'm sure these mothion are on another thread but I will post them anyway.

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Motion%20to%20Strike%20the%20State%20of%20Floridas%20Motion%20For%20Rule%20To%20Show%20Cause.pdf

 

[sleutherontheside]

I don't derive any "pleasure" from watching someone else suffer.

That said.....I DID enjoy the look of submission on JB's face during his admonishment.



Do I think JB was ashamed of his behavior? Not at all!!!

Do I think the wheels in JB's head were spinning when HHJP said he would WAIT until AFTER trial to begin contempt proceedings? HE77 to the YES!

Now...possible contempt is hanging overhead and will for quite some time.

 

[chelle70]

I don't derive any "pleasure" from watching someone else suffer.

That said.....I DID enjoy the look of submission on JB's face during his admonishment.
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Do I think JB was ashamed of his behavior? Not at all!!!

Do I think the wheels in JB's head were spinning when HHJP said he would WAIT until AFTER trial to begin contempt proceedings? HE77 to the YES!

Now...possible contempt is hanging overhead and will for quite some time.

I pray those sanctions will be followed thru on!

 

[Steely Dan]

I agree. HHJP has given JB way too wide a berth throughout all the pretrial hearings as JB missed deadlines, behaved sneakily or feigned ignorance with no repercussions despite HHJP's threats. It's little surprise that JB thought he'd get away with sliding this through as well. He should have been admonished and held to consequences a looong time ago. Perhaps then HHJP wouldn't find himself in the position he's now in (his words).

IMO, HHJBP is giving him such wide latitude because it's a DP case. I don't think an appeal would be granted because of DT skeevy tactics but if HHJBP didn't give him enough wiggle room it might get an appeal granted. JMO

It troubles me that B Perry paints the State with the same broad brush that he smears over Baez. I feel very sorry for the State's Attorneys. Not only are they organized, methodical, timely and following the rules, but as well as trying to listen to the defense witnesses testimony, they also have to be constantly alert to Baez breaking the law /rules. It has to be exhausting. And I can see why JA's blood starts to boil. He is following Baez' line of questioning, knows it is leading to no good, and half the time, in spite his objections, Baez gets in his comments, snarks and insinuations.

The state handed JB copies of color photos they were going to use that morning the other day. As much as I root for the SA I thought that was underhanded. Also, singling out the DT may help on an appeal. JMO

Do you guys think JP will find JB in contempt of court and throw his arse in jail? :behindbar
I think it will happen, since JP is tired of JB's shenanigans and for some reason JB is not getting the point, he has been fined $585 before and warned numerous occasions before today's stunt, so after the trial is over JB might be spending a day or two in the pokey.

IMO it may not stop there. Unless he's completely by the book for the rest of the trial it's possible he'll be disbarred.

Well, we saw some shock and awe visited upon JB today and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I also enjoyed the story JP told about the situation in which he found himself up the creek without a paddle and how he handled it. As mad as JP must have been, he was still gracious enough to try to impart some helpful advice to the numbskull JB. HHJP is a fine judge and has done everything he can to make sure the defendant has a fair trial in spite of the stupid choice of attorneys she made. It's also possible that now all of the other attorneys are furious at Baez because the result of his tactics will be the probability of working longer hours. Enjoy JB!

BBM

I said this in another thread but I think it bears repeating here. I would think that if you're going to get advice on a defense lawyer to hire that you should ask someone who is walking freely outside the courthouse and not someone who's IN the jail with you. JMO

JB had his witness, TH, talking about things that weren't in his report on Friday. Why didn't he get in trouble for that?

I think this is what HHJBP was referring to when he said lightning doesn't strike twice. I think he was willing to give JB the benefit of the doubt on the first one but when it happened again today he knew he could put the smackdown on JB without fear of reprisal from higher courts. JMO

 

[scmom]

I said this in another thread but I think it bears repeating here. I would think that if you're going to get advice on a defense lawyer to hire that you should ask someone who is walking freely outside the courthouse and not someone who's IN the jail with you. JMO

True, true.

 

[TexanMom]

That smack down was almost too painful to watch! Almost! Lionel Hutz would have done a better job! It has to be obvious to CM that JB is an epic FAIL! Yet he just sits back and lets JB take control. You have to wonder if he took this case just to make sure Casey is convicted?

 

[ColdDayIn]

I <3 HHJP :heartluv: TY for posting this video. I have missed the entire week in trials, and since this is the first video I have watched from the whole week, it's definitely encouraging!! :goodpost:

 

[MsFacetious]

Answering my own question:

I guess it had to do with Spitz possibly seeing a video of Dr. G's testimony when he did an interview. Ashton found it wasn't true.

So he can hear it but he can't see it? :waitasec:

What difference does it make if he only heard the testimony, or if he saw it as well... if Dr G wasn't using any visual aids at the time?

Dr S did hear Dr G's testimony in an interview.
At least the part pertaining to HIM. Starting 5 minutes into this video.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28248341/index.html

 

[tlcya]

what I found most telling is when the camera pans to JB, and the judge is still giving instruction on what will be done, JB's eyes roll heavenward, his face turns red, it looks to me not as if he is blushing, but as if he may cry, his eyes do not remain on the judge, he is unable to meet the judge's, he turns his body and moves away from the podium, AS THE JUDGE IS STILL RULING, as if he wants to run and hide. This starts at 9:12. JB then realizes he is still being spoken to and it would be considered contempuous and disreespectful to walk away, he moves back to the podium, his eyes cut up to the judge a couple of times but his face is downturned, like a child being scolded when he knows he got caught doing something wrong.

He then tries t make a smartass comment about how he wants to put the SA on notice that he himself will be deposing his own expert tonight and if the SA wants to be there they better plan to do so.

HHJP then says nuh uh. There is no reason for you to be taking your own expert's deposition (implying JB should have already done so during the discovery phase if that is what he wanted). You cannot fail to disclose this experts opinions to the state, it was obvious JB did not take a deposition because he already knew well before today what the expert would be saying on the stand. THE only reason for him not to have deposed the witness, thereby giving the state an opportunity to discover the experts opinions outside his report was to further hide the mans opinions in an attempt to get the very "gotcha" moment that HHJP wanted to avoid with his order. So JB was called not only on not disclosing but in attempting to NOW take his own expert's deposition when he opted not to previously in a further ambush tactic.

Can I just say

I :heart: HHJP?

 

[LinasK]

This is the second time in two days that Baez has tried his old tactic of trial-by-ambush, trying to get in testimony that wasn't the same in depositions.:banghead::banghead::banghead: First yesterday with Dr. Huntington, now today with Dr. Spitz!!! Incredible! Glad the judge finally smacked him down!

 

[tlcya]

The only thing that concerned me was HHJP saying that he would not guarantee what he would do if this sort of thing happened again WITH THIS WITNESS. I am concerned we will continue to see this tactic used with coming witnesses because JB will think he was given an out. That statement could, and probably will, be interpreted by JB as "you can skate that line by continuing this further in trial but don't you dare do it twice with one witness, because then sir, there is no hiding behind case law, then it will be interpreted as exactly what we all know it is - cheating"

I do not think that was what the judge was conveying but due to case law on this subject, the judge cannot punish the defendant for this kind of behavior by her attorney.

However, I sure hope Mr. Baez was listening when the judge alluded to not being able to do anything further at this point but there may be fallout headed JB's way AFTER.

JB could suffer personal career consequences after the trial is how I chose to interpret that little nugget.

 

[PsychRN]

now ICA will be glaring at the judge, just like she does to her parents and the prosecution. She is enjoying all the chaos she is creating

 

[mnegri1973]

Is the only way for the JB to be let go, is for KC to do it? And can that be done during the middle of the trial? While I have my own opinion that I think KC is guilty as sin, she does deserve to have a fair trial and a lawyer who knows just what he is doing. And why does KC's other attorney's just sit there on the side and watch this train wreck happen?

As for JB's behavior, I have come to expect it of him, however I wish that the JA would keep his cool and not belittle the witnesses. I felt bad for the bug guy who was on the stand yesterday. The SA's should be able to rise above the ugliness that the DT is throwing around. It takes two to tango and unfortunately both JB and JA are trying to lead. I wish that JA would just decline JB when he asks for JA's dance card.

Mel

 

[mikeysmommom]

It is a death penalty case and the judge said as much...that he could not preclude valuable testimony for the defendant because her attorney did something skeezy (paraphrasing here).

Contempt will be nice to see but I'm still looking forward to the day Baez faces disbarment. It may not happen in this trial (or it may) but it WILL happen someday.

IMO JB is guilty of 1st degree murder......of killing his legal career:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
He knows it and does not care so he will keep up the dirty tricks because he really is more interested in being a TH on Telemundo or taking the reins over when Geraldo retires IMO.

 

[mikeysmommom]

what I found most telling is when the camera pans to JB, and the judge is still giving instruction on what will be done, JB's eyes roll heavenward, his face turns red, it looks to me not as if he is blushing, but as if he may cry, his eyes do not remain on the judge, he is unable to meet the judge's, he turns his body and moves away from the podium, AS THE JUDGE IS STILL RULING, as if he wants to run and hide. This starts at 9:12. JB then realizes he is still being spoken to and it would be considered contempuous and disreespectful to walk away, he moves back to the podium, his eyes cut up to the judge a couple of times but his face is downturned, like a child being scolded when he knows he got caught doing something wrong.

He then tries t make a smartass comment about how he wants to put the SA on notice that he himself will be deposing his own expert tonight and if the SA wants to be there they better plan to do so.

HHJP then says nuh uh. There is no reason for you to be taking your own expert's deposition (implying JB should have already done so during the discovery phase if that is what he wanted). You cannot fail to disclose this experts opinions to the state, it was obvious JB did not take a deposition because he already knew well before today what the expert would be saying on the stand. THE only reason for him not to have deposed the witness, thereby giving the state an opportunity to discover the experts opinions outside his report was to further hide the mans opinions in an attempt to get the very "gotcha" moment that HHJP wanted to avoid with his order. So JB was called not only on not disclosing but in attempting to NOW take his own expert's deposition when he opted not to previously in a further ambush tactic.

Can I just say

I :heart: HHJP?

I :heart:him too but he should have held him accountable instead of bending over backwards for him a long time ago.It would really be a sin if ICA walks due to a trial by ambush.Thank God so far it has only pointed to ICA guilt IMO.:innocent: