Kathleen Savio's death #2

[Leila]

My goodness - that is the best picture I've seen of Kathleen! She's so pretty and such a nice smile. I just want to give her a hug. :innocent:

Leila: I don't know about everyone else, but I have so much holiday stuff going on at my house, that I can't keep up with everything. I meant to watch Greta but I was out shopping instead. I'll run over and read what you posted - it sounds so interesting!

ThoughtFox...........same here. I'm trying to juggle a lot of things too with the holidays, which is why I missed the first part of Greta last night. I keep hoping Stacy will be found before Christmas. But, then I look at the calendar and realize how close we are to Christmas, and I just don't think it's going to happen. It's so sad to think of what Christmas will be like for Stacy's family. Especially for the children.

 

[Leila]

If it turns out there were cell phone calls to Drew, who is going to testify where they were made from?

Wudge...........elementary, even a police officer should know this. The phone records would show a call from the Peterson home to DP's cell phone. This, of course, indicates that DP is not at home. The times of the calls will establish when he wasn't home.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Wudge...........elementary, even a police officer should know this. The phone records would show a call from the Peterson home to DP's cell phone. This, of course, indicates that DP is not at home. The times of the calls will establish when he wasn't home.

Duh!:doh:

 

[Leila]

I have nothing but contempt for DP! He's a sick, twisted, sorry excuse for a human being. He's a dirty cop and had to have help from his fellow police officers and other crooked cops to cover up the murder. quote]

Have you seen the latest story about the canal search/telephone pinging? http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/698356,4_1_JO15_PETERSON_S1.article

In this article, a "police source" sounds awfully hostile to the case, and I don't mean towards Drew, either. quotes from this "source":
"Why didn't that come out the first day?" he said of the alleged August [gun] incident. "Now it's like they're just making stuff up."
" and

The law enforcement source went on to dismiss reports of police searching for rectangular blue containers supposedly missing from the Peterson's home.
"I'm not (looking for them)," the source said. "Nobody else seems to be."

It would be interesting to find out who this source is. Could be someone who has helped or is helping Drew.

I've felt from the beginning that DP had help. As more and more has come out, it's clear that DP is not a smart man. He's made so many blunders that he could only have gotten away with Kathleen's murder if he had help in covering it up. There was nothing wrong with the first autopsy report on Kathleen. It was how that report was presented to the coronor's jury - I think that's where the cover-up began - and a jury of laymen trying to make a determination. The one juror that's been interviewed said they only spent about 30 - 35 minutes on that case. As astute prosecutor would have been all over that autopsy and ruling it homicide from the beginning.

With Stacy, DP has also made many blunders and needed help in covering it up. But, with the media spotlight on him, he can't pull it off like he did with Kathleen. It's not just a matter of local people in the right position to look the other way.

 

[Littledeer]

I think wudge was asking, who's to say that Stacy was calling from somewhere other than the house??

Just speculating for wudge here.

But, again we have the hearsay from the Pastor that Stacy was @ home, so IMO, if they can trace the calls to DP and he didn't answer, then in reverse, they can trace that the calls originated from from DP's and Stacy's home. (or at the minimum in that area!)

I'm not the best sleuther here, and sometimes I don't make sense. So just knock me along side the head when needed!!!!

 

[Leila]

kpass, I actually think that juror may have been on Greta's show in the beginning of this case. He was an elderly gentleman. I'm surprised we haven't seen more of them.

Wasn't there also a FOD on that jury? ("Friend Of Drew")

Yes, DP had a police officer friend on the coroner's jury. The officer should have recused himself, but didn't. An early report stated the police officer said he knew Drew and said he wouldn't do anything to harm his former wife. I think that police officer was probably one of DP's buddies. I saw the interview with the elderly man who was a juror. He said that if there was a option of "undetermined" he feels that's the way they would have ruled. Instead, the only choices they head were natural, accidental and homicide.

 

[Littledeer]

Why wasn't "undetermined" considered an option? Is that because of some "case law" or because of the autopsy results?

 

[SuziQ]

I think wudge was asking, who's to say that Stacy was calling from somewhere other than the house??

Just speculating for wudge here.

But, again we have the hearsay from the Pastor that Stacy was @ home, so IMO, if they can trace the calls to DP and he didn't answer, then in reverse, they can trace that the calls originated from from DP's and Stacy's home. (or at the minimum in that area!)

I'm not the best sleuther here, and sometimes I don't make sense. So just knock me along side the head when needed!!!!

Actually I think the point of the phone records is to compare them to the alibi Stacy gave to LE. Why was she calling him if he was home? The only people who would have to testify is Nextel and the LE department that took Stacy's statement.

 

[SuziQ]

Why wasn't "undetermined" considered an option? Is that because of some "case law" or because of the autopsy results?

IIRC, the Coroner said it was an option. Why the jurors got the impression it wasn't is beyone me. Very suspicious though.

 

[cricket]

IF the Nextel phone records confirm that calls were made from either Stacy's cell or the home to Drew's cell in the middle of the night when Kathleen died - all a prosecutor will be able to do is raise questions with the jury about Drew's alibi. If the calls exist - they don't prove anything one way or the other, since Stacy is not here to testify that she searched the entire house, Drew wasn't home and she made the calls.

Didn't Kathleen live very close to them? If so, the pings could have gone off the same cell tower, in which case a defense attorney will try to come up with an innocent, plausible explanation -- for example saying that it's possible that Drew was home asleep in another room or in the garage, Stacy just didn't see him, and his phone was on vibrate and that's why he didn't hear it to answer it.

However - if the records show calls were made and Drew's phone pinged somewhere else - it does raise doubt about his statement that he was home asleep - it's still not as good as Stacy being able to testify that he was not home - but it will be one piece of circumstantial evidence.

 

[Littledeer]

cricket:

DP and Stacy did live near Kathy. I am concerned about that with the "pinging". But there have been many cases where "circumstantial" evidence does weigh heavily in the juror's minds. Even though Stacy is not here to say what she did or saw that night, there is the Pastor's words of what Stacy told him happened that night.

I still agree with Mark Furman that getting those Nextell records are imperative!!

 

[Wudge]

The bottom line is, why would a call come from Stacy's/home phone to Drews phone if Drew was home? Why would you be calling your spouse over and over in the middle of the night when they are supposedly asleep next to you? The only people who need to testify regarding that is Nextel regarding the accuracies of their records. And LE to testify as to what Stacy told them where Drew was. All the D.A needs to do is compare.

Assuming there are such records and the cell towers are the same, one reason would be that he was simply in another part of the house. Stacy can't challenge what Drew would claim, no one can.

 

[Wudge]

Wudge...........elementary, even a police officer should know this. The phone records would show a call from the Peterson home to DP's cell phone. This, of course, indicates that DP is not at home. The times of the calls will establish when he wasn't home.

Stacy can't testify that Drew was not in her home nor can the pastor.

 

[Wudge]

IF the Nextel phone records confirm that calls were made from either Stacy's cell or the home to Drew's cell in the middle of the night when Kathleen died - all a prosecutor will be able to do is raise questions with the jury about Drew's alibi. If the calls exist - they don't prove anything one way or the other, since Stacy is not here to testify that she searched the entire house, Drew wasn't home and she made the calls.

Didn't Kathleen live very close to them? If so, the pings could have gone off the same cell tower, in which case a defense attorney will try to come up with an innocent, plausible explanation -- for example saying that it's possible that Drew was home asleep in another room or in the garage, Stacy just didn't see him, and his phone was on vibrate and that's why he didn't hear it to answer it.

However - if the records show calls were made and Drew's phone pinged somewhere else - it does raise doubt about his statement that he was home asleep - it's still not as good as Stacy being able to testify that he was not home - but it will be one piece of circumstantial evidence.

Sherlock award.

 

[SuziQ]

IF the Nextel phone records confirm that calls were made from either Stacy's cell or the home to Drew's cell in the middle of the night when Kathleen died - all a prosecutor will be able to do is raise questions with the jury about Drew's alibi. If the calls exist - they don't prove anything one way or the other, since Stacy is not here to testify that she searched the entire house, Drew wasn't home and she made the calls.

Didn't Kathleen live very close to them? If so, the pings could have gone off the same cell tower, in which case a defense attorney will try to come up with an innocent, plausible explanation -- for example saying that it's possible that Drew was home asleep in another room or in the garage, Stacy just didn't see him, and his phone was on vibrate and that's why he didn't hear it to answer it.

However - if the records show calls were made and Drew's phone pinged somewhere else - it does raise doubt about his statement that he was home asleep - it's still not as good as Stacy being able to testify that he was not home - but it will be one piece of circumstantial evidence.

If the defense throws out the explanation that Stacy didn't know Drew is home. Then that would mean Stacy lied about him being home. If Stacy's statement to LE was, my husband was home with me. Then why would she be calling him?

 

[SuziQ]

Assuming there are such records and the cell towers are the same, one reason would be that he was simply in another part of the house. Stacy can't challenge what Drew would claim, no one can.

Stacy doesn't have to challenge anything. The statement she gave to LE is what would be submitted to compare to the phone records.

 

[SuziQ]

Stacy can't testify that Drew was not in her home nor can the pastor.

Stacy gave a statement to LE. You bet that would be admisable, with or without her.

 

[SuziQ]

Assuming there are such records and the cell towers are the same, one reason would be that he was simply in another part of the house. Stacy can't challenge what Drew would claim, no one can.

Cell phone pings won't matter. It's the time the calls were made that will.

 

[Littledeer]

The basic facts are this:

Stacy told the LE that DP was with her the night before Kathy's body was found.

Just recently, a Pastor has told LE and the public that Stacy told him that DP was not home and that she made multiple phone calls to him that went unanswered.

Nextel records are kept for five years (according to MF). If they can be obtained:

They can either prove that calls were made from Stacy's phone to DP's phone that night, or

Prove that no phone calls were made.

If they prove that phone calls WERE MADE from Stacy's phone to DP's phone.......

Even with her not being here to "say it verbally", it shows that DP was not at home and that Stacy had indeed gave an alibi that was untrue.

That evidence would be very compelling in a trial. IMO

 

[Wudge]

Cell phone pings won't matter. It's the time the calls were made that will.

Without circumstances testified to, the calls could not be dispositive proof that Drew was off her premises.