KATU -- Source: Investigators far from solving Kyron case

[nosysw]

I'm not sure how the satellite surveillance would work...Kind of Big Brother-ish and scary if you're saying that everything, everywhere can be looked up via this method.

Regarding the cameras- don't forget that the ones on traffic lights, etc. actually generate income for the municipalities, counties, etc. And the businesses are protecting themselves from losing profit.

I work in an inner city high school with cameras and metal detectors...They are a necessity and I won't even go through all the reasons why but don't think school liability is not the biggest one...In smaller school districts, such as the one my kids go to...I just don't think they consider this to be a top priority item considering the rarity of this type of incidents.

Our school gets no funding at all from the state so our school is 100% funded from our property taxes. When we get cameras, etc (which we have outside but not inside) it is through our tax funds for parent fundraising. The schools and parents are the ones who dictate priorities such as these and unfortunately it's frequently with hindsight rather than foresight...

 

[Jo in Calif]

So does this mean that Terry will keep Houz on retainer indefinitely? Usually when you retain a lawyer, to represent you you pay a retainer. I don't quite buy that Terry has paid Houz 350k, but she has possibly paid him a large amount of money. So does the money just sit with the attorney, waiting for a trial? Maybe this belongs in the legal question thread.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Sigh.

I've been expecting something from LE any time now. And I wonder if this also wasn't a planned leak.

Why have I been expecting something?

Because school is about to start. And LE has invested everything, from the get-go, in the idea that TH did it (whatever "it" is).

They immediately assured the community that they had nothing to worry about. They've obviously focused on TH and her friends, even sending out flyer upon flyer with pictures.

SBM

I'm very, very sceptical whenever something happens and LE calls it an isolated incident. I think there is often a strong motivation to prevent a public panic and a tendency to play the odds.

Even on 9/11, after the first airliner crashed into the WTC, in the fifteen minutes before the second airline crashed, there were Unnamed Sources telling the media it was a one time event, no need to worry.

That Source family, they sure are fast off the mark!

I remember that after Johnny Gosch was abducted in Des Moines Iowa, LE said it was an isolated incident. The newspaper that Johnny Gosch was delivering for decided not to change their procedures based on the assurances they received from LE.

Two years later, Eugene Martin was abducted under nearly identical conditions. To this day, LE has not officially linked the two abductions!

The newspaper did change their procedures after Eugene Martin's disappearance.

Sometimes LE is correct and it is an isolated occurrence, even if they have the wrong suspect.

Sometimes LE is wrong.

Seems to me that until some sort of formal guidelines are published for risk assessment, a coin might be a useful adjunct to evaluating the phrase "we feel this is an isolated occurrence." Right now, that phrase means whatever LE wants it to mean.

Hello, Alice.

 

[LadyL]

This is the first appearance in the media of this member of the Source family. I wouldn't be too rough on him or her. Well-Placed just doesn't have quite as much experience as Reliable, Unnamed, Multiple, or Close-to-the-Investigation.

hahahahaha

this needed bumping :biggrin:

 

[AbbieNormal]

Hi Abbie! Your post about cameras got me thinking:waitasec:... I know that where I live just about EVERYWHERE is cameraed-up! EXCEPT for alot of the schools UNFORTUNATELY ... But nonetheless the very many places that do have cameras would be of great help(one would think)...

I live in a city very similar in size to Portland(maybe even a bit larger)and we have cameras at nearly every single red light intersection, our huge interstates (there are 2 main interstates) that both are equipped with cameras at each exit(one facing each direction, so thats 2 per exit), then you add in all of the business surveillance cameras(that are approx. 3-4 in each direction per block[just an estimate of course]) ... This is A VAST AMOUNT of surveillance at almost every angle imaginable. So, you would think, say at just one of the very many intersection cameras that the footage would be clear in showing who(the mystery person seen by 2 witnesses in and around the truck that morning) was in that F250 and what if anything was possibly stowed in the back bed of the truck. You would also be able to see any and all cars that were even in the vicinity of the F250(both ahead of and behind) and see if there is anyone possibly also involved tho in another vehicle..It seeems to me that this would be an endless treasure trove of very important info and evidence that could be gleaned from this tape..

One other thing I want to mention having to do with cameras. My husband is a yardmaster for a national railroad. They are privy to at any and ALL times the data(i.e. photos and or video)easily obtained from the satellites that circle above the earth 24/7/365. I'll give u an example of how this works. Say there is a RR employee that is "fouling" up on the job, not only costing the company precious time&money but also risking other RR employees lives by this "fouling" up on the job. What the administration regularly do is download say the certain timeframe in question(just say the employees 4 hours that he was working in field, out on the tracks) they will download that 4 hour time frame from a set of coordinates(say the employee was working a 4 mile long section of RR track, they would punch in the Latitude/Longitude coordinate at the point of where he began the 4 hour time period in question and then they would punch in the Latitude/Longitude coordinate of where he ended that 4 hour time period) and waa-laa.. they download the satellite imagery to see what exactly this employee was doing and if he indeed was continuing to "foul up" thus being put on indefinite leave or terminated if necessary...

They of course use this "surveillance" because think of the 1000s of miles of track that run through completely uninhabited and desolate areas so they have clearance to see, download, and view the imagery of the satellites that are above(and let me add the satellites are not owned by the RR they just have clearance to view and use the imagery of these satellites)

So given that knowledge of this great and detailed technology that my husband is privy to every day of the week for purposes of ensuring employees, trains, freight, etc are not dangered then surely our government(FBI) would be privy to such unique technology that could make all the difference in the world in a case like this. So is this used(I personally have never even heard a peep of any type of enforcement agencies using this type of technology)? And if it is NOT used, why in the he!! NOT?

This is what I was asking a few weeks ago and was pretty much ignored. With all the satellites we already have, (and now we know ONE of their capabilities thanks to your post) why can't they pinpoint a location and go back in time and download the video or whatever of the scene? Think of all the nefarious acts they would capture! If they can zero in on a house in Iraq and see who is in it so they can bomb it, why can't they use it to help keep our children from being abducted and murdered?

I still want the cameras in the schools though....

 

[Calliope]

But she WILL be the one everyone suspects forever unless a sex offender type gets caught and says what the heck and confesses to a mess of crimes including Kyron and can tell where his body is. Then Terri Horman will have endured years of being a "suspect" (in our eyes) when she was really an innocent person. To that I say TOUGH CRAP, Terri. You were sexting, you were not honest with LE about your whereabouts, you had multiple throw away phones, you had a MFH plot against your husband, and on and on. Terri MADE HERSELF look suspicious, and if she turns out to not be the one, her years of being suspected and treated like a 3rd class citizen, she deserves it.

Did you mean to say if she is NOT the one, she deserves this? Or was the "not" in your sentence a mistake?

 

[cluciano63]

I do wonder if perhaps Terri is guilty of trying to get someone to kill Kaine, but not guilty with regards to Kyron. I suppose that might make her hesitant to challenge anything in the courts right now.

As far as needing Kyron's body to be found; I don't think not finding him will keep them from forever charging Terri or anyone with murder, but it seldom happens this quickly. It is just too difficult to convince a jury that there is no possible way the person is alive, especially without any sort of crime scene or forensics. But they could do that eventually. I think this case is especially hard to LE as the options as to what they can try to prosecute now, for example, would not be the more serious charges and they don't even have enough to support those, really (custodial crimes). And yet they know as do we that the crime is kidnapping at the very least.

So much like poor little Haleigh's case-she should have been safe in her bed as Kyron should have been safe in school. In both cases, LE seems to have their suspects yet can do nothing about it, at least not right now.

 

[Melanie]

As long as this case goes on, I can't help but think of baby K. Is TH just going to walk out of her daughter's life? Will she ever see her again? If I was an innocent person, I'd be pounding the pavement until I could see my child again. I don't see any action on her part - and that bothers me.

MOO

Mel

 

[Aedrys]

Well that article depresses me. Last night, there was a murder case on Forensic Files that took 34 years to solve. There was also a missing child case that took over a year, and all that was found of the girl, by a hiker, was her skull. We just don't know how long this could take, but if I was Terri, I would be worried. Even without a conviction, this will follow her the rest of her life if it's never solved. And it make take awhile, but if she's guilty, LE will eventually catch up to her. I bet that one guy was shocked when the police knocked on his door after 34 years. It just goes to show that doing crimes will catch up with the criminal that did it.

I have faith that LE will figure this out, no matter how long it takes. I just wish Kyron could be found and laid to rest, and his family given some sort of closure.

And no, Terri, there is no dropping this and moving on to something else like you usually do. Unless you talk to either clear yourself or bring Kyron home, you'll never work again, never have anyone trust you again, and probably never have a normal home life with your kids ever again. And school will be hell for them - they'll be known as the kids with the messed up, murderous mother. So this doesn't just impact you, but sadly, that hasn't meant anything to you yet.

I hope this was a pressure tactic. Terri seems like someone who can't stand to not be in control and if this is going to take awhile, that can't sit well with her. That light at the end of the tunnel is dimming fast for her, I bet. Good. The sooner she cracks, the better either way.

I do think she's guilty, but I just want this over either way now, for Kyron's sake. Waiting is so very much the hardest part.

 

[sherbetjello]

As long as this case goes on, I can't help but think of baby K. Is TH just going to walk out of her daughter's life? Will she ever see her again? If I was an innocent person, I'd be pounding the pavement until I could see my child again. I don't see any action on her part - and that bothers me.

MOO

Mel

Even though no one says it, it's pretty much an unspoken (and spoken) truth that Terri is a suspect.
I couldn't imagine having to care for a child, let alone a toddler, while remaining the focus of a criminal investigation.

Oh, yeah, and Terri gets death threats. Seems like an unsafe situation to put a child into.

Plus, visitation with Kaine. I couldn't imagine the uproar that would bring when dropping the child off amongst each other.

I think the baby is where she should be.
JMO.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Even though no one says it, it's pretty much an unspoken (and spoken) truth that Terri is a suspect.
I couldn't imagine having to care for a child, let alone a toddler, while remaining the focus of a criminal investigation.

Oh, yeah, and Terri gets death threats. Seems like an unsafe situation to put a child into.

Plus, visitation with Kaine. I couldn't imagine the uproar that would bring when dropping the child off amongst each other.

I think the baby is where she should be.
JMO.

And IF Terri is actually innocent and her relationship with her daughter has been so horribly affected because of very bad decision making and not because she is a murderer/kidnapper?

I am not saying that I know that TH is innocent, but I'm not convinced that she is guilty either, so I do have to wonder about this. Can she do anything now towards restoring her relationship with her daughter until someone else is proved guilty? I can't even fathom what it would be like for a little girl to grow up between with one parent thinking that the other is a murderer.

There are a million reasons why we need answers in this case... and baby K is a big one. I can't wrap my head around this case being in limbo. I do not want to believe that someone won't be held responsible for what has happened to Kyron.

 

[sherbetjello]

No one is trying to prove she WASN'T involved.



That's pretty harsh.

For that to be true, it means never finding out what happened to Kyron --- whether she's innocent or guilty.

I agree with everything you said, 100000 percent.

:hug:

 

[grandmaj]

The rules against Wild speculation about the bio parents has not changed.

 

[PDXMom]

This is the first appearance in the media of this member of the Source family. I wouldn't be too rough on him or her. Well-Placed just doesn't have quite as much experience as Reliable, Unnamed, Multiple, or Close-to-the-Investigation.

:laugh: Brilliant!