KC's "Brain Development"

[Pink Panther]

The Defence will state that she was raised by incompetent parents and I believe she was. The Defence will state that she was emotionally immature and I believe she was. The Defence will state that she was bullied and emotionally abused by her parents and I believe that she was. The Defence might even state that she had some rare condition and that her daughter (Caylee - the one we are here for) might have had it too and though I don't believe that either of them do, ok so be it - they might have. It still doesn't absolve riding around in your car with your dead daughter in the trunk even for one day. Out partying and pretending like nothing for another 30 days. Never reporting anything to anyone until your Mom calls you out. Then taking LE on a wild goose chase to make up a job for yourself. EVEN WORSE - Then sticking it out for three years (with no alternative information forthcoming) to claim your innosence with some wild-azzed condition that you can't prove.

I believe more in a jury pool that I know nothing about than I do anything that ICA or her Defence provides.

moo

 

[Pink Panther]

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chiari-malformation/DS00839/DSECTION=symptoms


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chiari-malformation/DS00839

sorry try this one!

Thanks.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Is there any evidence that ICA's brain is in any way abnormal? What do they have to actually back this up? This mitigation nonsense is a travesty and a sham. Guess the DT are neurologists now?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

IMO...there is nothing at all wrong with KC's brain or her development. She is a narcissist not disabled.

KC loved drama...she loved being the center of attention. She used drama to redirect attention to her when she started to feel like her "celebrity" was waning.

IMO...the headaches and other immaginary ailments have been part of her repertoire for years. It just so happens that the DT can squeeze them into their theory during mitigation.

I have no doubt that the jail letters where CA asked about KC getting tests and seeking help for ailments were sent to bolster her future story.

JB argued against everything under the sun being released to the public...EXCEPT those darned jail letters. HE HAD NO ISSUE WITH THE LETTERS BEING RELEASED???? Of course not...they were setting up the mitigation STORY...and FICTION it is.

:rocker::rocker:

BBM: I totally agree ! There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with ICA's brain !

What I see is a person who is so narcissistic, her "photo" should be included in the next edition of the dictionary right next to the "definition" !

Seriously ... I watched some of the Jury Selection coverage this afternoon and there were moments when the cameras focused on ICA. Her "reaction" to some of the potential juror's comments was just unbelievable ! You could just see those cold, hard eyes shooting "daggers" at potential jurors who remarked their opinion had already been formed from previous news coverage, and their "verdit" was "guilty."

What also bothers me is the way she "positions" herself at the "defense table", as though she is "part" of the Defense Team and NOT the defendant on trial for first degree murder ! In my opinion, ICA acting like a "legal assistant" is a "sign" of someone who is completely cognizant of what she is doing !

Oh -- one other thing that "proves" NO BRAIN problems is her continuous passing of NOTES to her attorneys. She is totally and completely aware of what is being said ... AND ... ICA does NOT like it !


Of course ... :cow::cow: and :cow:

 

[songline]

I dont be believe any of it I just think the defense is throwing whatever they can out there

Her" brain development" problem certainly never held her back from committing theft and fraud and murder

I just saw this thread and have not read the entire thread so if someone has replied to this - sorry, I do not mean to repeat.

But...but...but.... bipolar kids are often "A+" students, That is right; above average in many things, and often talented as well in some kind of art.
However, there is a problem in the frontal lobe and they do not relate, or respond as most normal kids, it shows up in behavioral problems, they may even be good kids whom we think are just going through a bit of a rebellious phase and that they will grow out of it. I KNOW because I have one of those.
One of the things they do is live on the edge do things that others may not do, from cursing or yelling to other bad behavior, with no filter.

I CAN SEE that her parents were not the school of being appropriate. Throw in a bit of Frontal lobe problems; and you get CASEY can I see that YES I CAN. I said from the start that KC is sick.

No I do not think she belongs out and roaming free, absolutely not.
I do think she is sick, while bipolar varies in each victim, there are some other things that are common links; they do lack boundaries, compassion, and run mood swings, do not operate with a full range of emotion; they always lie even when there is no need to. They do not see themselves.

You see; you and I DO see Casey very differently. By the way, I am not so sure her parents should be roaming around free either.

 

[gngr~snap]

Caylee was healthy and never saw a doctor for an illness? or never saw a doctor ever? If she never went to the doctor - the state has a case of neglect do they not? Had she gone to regular checks her head circumference would have been measuand plotted and it would have been evident if her percentiles were dropping due to crainio
synostosis or a chairing malformation may have been noted.
CA Was a nurse! shame on her for not encouraging or taking matters into her own hands and doing the right thing. If CA went along with not having Caylee get check ups IMO there is a MAJOR FAMILY SECRET INVOLVING A MAN ON THE PLEASEA SIDE!!!
SHE'D feed an ANTHONY TO THE WOLVES!
MOO

 

[Anais]

IMO...there is nothing at all wrong with KC's brain or her development. She is a narcissist not disabled.

KC loved drama...she loved being the center of attention. She used drama to redirect attention to her when she started to feel like her "celebrity" was waning.

IMO...the headaches and other immaginary ailments have been part of her repertoire for years. It just so happens that the DT can squeeze them into their theory during mitigation.

I have no doubt that the jail letters where CA asked about KC getting tests and seeking help for ailments were sent to bolster her future story.

JB argued against everything under the sun being released to the public...EXCEPT those darned jail letters. HE HAD NO ISSUE WITH THE LETTERS BEING RELEASED???? Of course not...they were setting up the mitigation STORY...and FICTION it is.

SOS yes classic JB! I always knew those letters smelled fishy from day one! It was also the way ICA had written and worded them. IT makes you go hmmmm, kind of like how coincidental is it that one of the DT's own witnesses lands in the ICA jury pool and taints a panel. Hmmmm how strange..........

 

[songline]

Interesting concept. I'd like to know what kind of math levels she was in (my 14 year old is in Algebra - going to Geometry in HS). Is in the band and plays fluent french horn. Yes, I consider him above average.

That's not to say lower classes make one mentally challenged - heck, I only took basic math throughout high school.

I, too, almost didn't graduate. I had 1 history course that I failed (dang, I hated history), but I took it during the summer and rec'd my diploma. If she had 1 or 3 credits to make up, she certainly could have done that.

I never considered myself slow - lazy, yes - but not slow. I just think ICA didn't want to, or couldn't be bothered to do the effort.

Besides, I lived in San Fernando in High School, and would much rather spend my days at Malibu than school (oh yah, I got in trouble for that too).

Mel

Please do not compare yourself to KC. YOU ARE NORMAL.
I do believe she has a (MI) Mental illness, very hard to detect, my daughter was undetected until she was an adult.
Since then I had taken courses, In MY Opinion I see that KC has MI.

 

[songline]

I have to step out here for a bit but I really want to poke around in Danziger and Weitz's threads and review their studies. Something is telling me that AF may be referencing that her brain development was normal intellectually, but physiologically diferent in some way that impacted processing of emotions or recognizing risky behavior? :waitasec:

ALSO KNOWN AS Bipolar.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

If I remember correctly, Caylee was so healthy that she had never been to a Doctor after she was born. (I have my own opinion about how negligent that is but I will refrain.)

So...no "health exam" in existance for Caylee.

moo

Caylee had never been to a pediatrician after she was born? Not even for immunizations? Wow, I don't know how I missed this. Considering they had a swimming pool I can't believe she never had an ear infection. I'm floored.

 

[tankgirl]

Not to veer OT, but (regarding her brain) KC reminds me of a certain character in a novel by Tana French called Into the Woods. I recommend it as I'm guessing that most readers here enjoy a mystery. Good portrayal of a fetching narcissist/sociopath.

 

[songline]

About the High School thing- I graduated in 1981 but nearly 1/3 of my class, did not. I came from a very middle/upper class neighborhood. Weird, I know but it's true. Something about the times, I suppose. Just wanted to say that- and my high school was a college prep school. Maybe a rebel thing going on. Of my closest friends, 3 of us out of 20ish graduated. The others eventually got their GED's or went back.... but ended up college graduates. That is why it goes undetected for so long...we think they will outgrow thier rebl act - I have one of them - undetected till she was an adult.

In terms of her brain development, or lack thereof, I think Anne F. is just doing her job. If the death penalty was not on the table, we'd hear nothing about that. She is trying very hard to show that ICA is somehow damaged and that is why she did what she did. She's damaged alright, but Anne needs to answer a question that jurors will have- Is ICA responsible for her actions- no matter how gruesome they were?!.

Anne F. and team know very well there is a huge possibility (more that 50%) that Casey could be sentenced to death and they need to get all possible scenarios on the table now- for appeals. There is NO RECORD in ICA's past that she had problems other than acting out or lies.

I challenge others to read some other cases- See what kind of horrific lives these people grew up in that at least give us some insight as to why someone would grow up to do the things some do. Casey came from dysfunction, but certainly not any thing that reaches the levels to explain what she did. A girl with brain development problems would have school records, juvenile reports, peer incidents,...etc. All indicate she was 'normal' although disrespectful. Well... my bipolar daughter was an A+ student, so NO it doe not always show up the way we think, not at all. Anyway- just my opinion.

Anne is trying to explain the crime in the only way she can. Casey must be damaged - but casey has to ADMIT this even happened, first. And that won't happen. It's a fantasy defense.

Casey's emotional range IMHO is about KC, Casey, KC anyway you spell it, it is about her, and Fear is real for her, but I believe all she can do 24/7 for a long time is rehearse a lot of what if scenarios. She has only one motive now and that is to get out. YES BIPOLAR people can block out things and redirect a conversation better then anyone. I know how limited their emotional range can be because I sadly know too much about this, I have been to many Bipolar support groups for family. jmo

 

[Ricki]

ALSO KNOWN AS Bipolar.

I know a few people who are bipolar. Their moods change from depressed to manic. When manic, the people I know, only care for themselves. They do things impulsively like spending more money than they can afford on things they don't need. They tend to drink, gamble and are very rude to other people. I know one guy who stopped taking meds because he likes being manic. He feels he is above all others . He does not care what others are thinking about him. He just gets up and goes where ever and when ever he feels like it. When this fellow was taking his meds he was very mellow, soft spoken. Now he is more argumentive. One other fellow I know is sometimes suicidal, paranoid and mostly depressed and constantly pacing. He has been in the psych ward many times over the past few years. He is a bipolar mix and was told it will get worse. The very few times he was manic, he stayed away from family for months. Wouldn't even talk to them. It is a very sad disorder. Very hard on loved ones to deal with, especially the paranoia.

 

[gngr~snap]

Caylee was healthy and never saw a doctor for an illness? or never saw a doctor ever? If she never went to the doctor - the state has a case of neglect do they not? Had she gone to regular checks her head circumference would have been measured and plotted and it would have been evident if her percentiles were dropping due to crainio
synostosis or a chiari malformation may have been noted.
CA Was a nurse! shame on her for not encouraging or taking matters into her own hands and doing the right thing. If CA went along with not having Caylee get check ups IMO there is a MAJOR FAMILY SECRET INVOLVING A MAN ON THE PLEASEA SIDE!!!
SHE'D feed an ANTHONY TO THE WOLVES!
MOO

 

[crucibelle]

ALSO KNOWN AS Bipolar.

Songline -- There are many reasons a brain can be physiologically different than normal... that does not necessarily equal a DX of bipolar disorder.

 

[crucibelle]

Please do not compare yourself to KC. YOU ARE NORMAL.
I do believe she has a (MI) Mental illness, very hard to detect, my daughter was undetected until she was an adult.
Since then I had taken courses, In MY Opinion I see that KC has MI.

Even if she does have a mental illness, she knows right from wrong. There are many people with Bipolar disorder that don't go around killing people, much less a child. I personally do not believe ICA is bipolar, but even if she is.... that is no excuse for what she has done. JMO>

 

[Ricki]

Songline -- There are many reasons a brain can be physiologically different than normal... that does not necessarily equal a DX of bipolar disorder.

Seriously, I am not a psychologist. I don't know what is wrong with KC.. I just know she is not right in he head. Trying to evaluate her from a couch can drive one crazy. So, hopefully we will get to see what the experts have to say.

 

[txsvicki]

I thought it had already been established recently and reported that Casey does not have any mental illnesses such as bipolar? A lady on NG tonight summed her up perfectly by saying that she is a psychopath with attention seeking and goes into different moods with those things. Leonard agreed that the 10 days he spent at the home they never knew "which" Casey would come out of her room each day. Casey probably lied quite a bit as a child and then hid a lot as an early teen, but got worse as she aged and got pregnant. There haven't been many bad reports about her as a child except for an episode of lying as a teen. I can only imagine the abuse that she put her family through the prior two to three years before Caylee's murder. To be charged with premeditated murder of a baby is just as bad as any male serial killer who has ever been caught, and they sure don't get passes. The Anthony family, boyfriends, and friends are probably lucky to still be alive, because there is no telling what she is capable of doing if she can plan the murder of a toddler (according to the state) and everything end up with her mother being blamed and hated even worse than her. This is probably a first in the history of crimes where the public and media has to find someone to blame instead of the cold blooded killer.

 

[elfie]

Caylee had never been to a pediatrician after she was born? Not even for immunizations? Wow, I don't know how I missed this. Considering they had a swimming pool I can't believe she never had an ear infection. I'm floored.

I'm not sure about this. In the [ame=http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77690]text messages[/ame] thread Casey texts Amy about taking Caylee to the pediatrician for a cold on the 23rd of May. Who knows? The records would still be confidential, I'm guessing.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

JMO and I'm going to be blunt here. Not being a psychiatrist, I don't know what this would be defined as. Here's how I see ICA's brain. ICA has spent her life being coddled and spoiled. I see a young woman who likely enjoys throwing fits to get what she wants from whomever she wants. She's a liar, manipulator and spoiled princess all rolled into one.

Her world was fine and dandy so long as CA/GA was agreeable to watching Caylee every moment ICA wanted freedom. There a came a point where CA insisted ICA grow up and be a responsible mother. Between the pressures of having to be totally responsible for Caylee, being on the line for the money she stole from her grandparents and missing her PR trip, something snapped. Poor little Caylee was done away with, and not because I necessarily believe ICA was planning it. I think ICA sincerely became overcome with seething anger and took it out on her daughter.

It's hard for me to write that out but, it's how I've been feeling about this case for a long time. Please note I am not excusing what she's done by any means. I just don't think it's as complicated as I originally thought.