KC's "Brain Development"

[OneLostGrl]

My own brain needs to rest. I blame this on them, all of them, especially Zanny. fftobed:

:laugh:

 

[lowens1975]

seriously...sorry...when I look at the title of this thread....ugh...can't even bear to open it up....is kc's even BRAIN DEVELOPMENT seriously even being discussed?

I can't believe there is anything wrong with ICA. She is knowledgeable about all kinds of technology, cell phone and computers to name two. She can drive a car, understand the proceedings going on around her...nothing wrong with her on a social level (floorlaugh so somebody please tell me exactly where she is lacking in development?

If the DT wants to try to say that she lacks 'maturity' fine, but I don't think she lacks the basic capability to know 'morally' right from wrong. And it was probably a question along those lines from the prosecution that put a stop to the testimony of the psychiatrists.

 

[websurfer]

Otherwise forget about it....:twocents:

 

[websurfer]

I can't believe there is anything wrong with ICA. She is knowledgeable about all kinds of technology, cell phone and computers to name two. She can drive a car, understand the proceedings going on around her...nothing wrong with her on a social level (floorlaugh so somebody please tell me exactly where she is lacking in development?

If the DT wants to try to say that she lacks 'maturity' fine, but I don't think she lacks the basic capability to know 'morally' right from wrong. And it was probably a question along those lines from the prosecution that put a stop to the testimony of the psychiatrists.

How could a mentally defective person do all the things she has done?
False job.2 years?
Making up false boss' email accounts to fool everyone?
fake names of friends/ babysitter?

She had no need for a babysitter she did not work, plus no money to pay one if she had one.
Taking police to the steps of an unoccupied aprtment she says he dropped Caylee off at only to return in the afternoon to find both the babysitter & Caylee gone?

removed her sims card from her cells[cell?] phone/hiding evidence.

Covered her tracks pretty well looks like to me..no mentally defective person here.
If anything she is a PATHOLOGICAL LIER.
Who is also a NARCIST[?} you know what I mean.

The whole thing:rollercoaster::silly::nuts:

 

[Anais]

Even if she does have a mental illness, she knows right from wrong. There are many people with Bipolar disorder that don't go around killing people, much less a child. I personally do not believe ICA is bipolar, but even if she is.... that is no excuse for what she has done. JMO>

BBM

ITA! You hit the nail on the head!

 

[songline]

I know a few people who are bipolar. Their moods change from depressed to manic. When manic, the people I know, only care for themselves. They do things impulsively like spending more money than they can afford on things they don't need. They tend to drink, gamble and are very rude to other people. I know one guy who stopped taking meds because he likes being manic. He feels he is above all others . He does not care what others are thinking about him. He just gets up and goes where ever and when ever he feels like it. When this fellow was taking his meds he was very mellow, soft spoken. Now he is more argumentive. One other fellow I know is sometimes suicidal, paranoid and mostly depressed and constantly pacing. He has been in the psych ward many times over the past few years. He is a bipolar mix and was told it will get worse. The very few times he was manic, he stayed away from family for months. Wouldn't even talk to them. It is a very sad disorder. Very hard on loved ones to deal with, especially the paranoia.

They seem to get worse with time, unless it is handled professionally.
Sadly when they do take meds, often times they get to feel "fine" and then they are convinced that they do not like/need the meds. WHY? meds also seem to confuse them and they do not feel like themselves.
Please note: all bipolar victims are different.

 

[songline]

Songline -- There are many reasons a brain can be physiologically different than normal... that does not necessarily equal a DX of bipolar disorder.

I agree, but her SELF interest and Lack of compassion points at bipolar and NO I am not a Dr. just took courses because my kid is bipolar.
NO I DO NOT SEE KC as normal.
(whatever normal is other than a cycle on the dryer)

 

[songline]

Even if she does have a mental illness, she knows right from wrong. There are many people with Bipolar disorder that don't go around killing people, much less a child. I personally do not believe ICA is bipolar, but even if she is.... that is no excuse for what she has done. JMO>

BBM
I am saying IT MUST be considered, and she cannot be treated as a Normal person. No, I am not saying she should be set free.


NOW: many bipolar people untreated have killed.

 

[songline]

Seriously, I am not a psychologist. I don't know what is wrong with KC.. I just know she is not right in he head. Trying to evaluate her from a couch can drive one crazy. So, hopefully we will get to see what the experts have to say.

BBM
The experts did not diagnose my daughter till she was an adult. It is not easy to diagnose.

 

[songline]

JMO and I'm going to be blunt here. Not being a psychiatrist, I don't know what this would be defined as. Here's how I see ICA's brain. ICA has spent her life being coddled and spoiled. I see a young woman who likely enjoys throwing fits to get what she wants from whomever she wants. She's a liar, manipulator and spoiled princess all rolled into one.

Her world was fine and dandy so long as CA/GA was agreeable to watching Caylee every moment ICA wanted freedom. There a came a point where CA insisted ICA grow up and be a responsible mother. Between the pressures of having to be totally responsible for Caylee, being on the line for the money she stole from her grandparents and missing her PR trip, something snapped. Poor little Caylee was done away with, and not because I necessarily believe ICA was planning it. I think ICA sincerely became overcome with seething anger and took it out on her daughter.

It's hard for me to write that out but, it's how I've been feeling about this case for a long time. Please note I am not excusing what she's done by any means. I just don't think it's as complicated as I originally thought.

The minute you ask a MI (mentally ill) person to be responsible you can see the outcome, is rarely sane.
YES, that is when my daughter decided that suicide was a good idea. Not until then was she diagnosed, but she was an adult by then
So I cannot agree with you analogy at all.
See my daughter was rebellious when she was a teen an angel before that, and everyone kept saying she would outgrow this. Since I was rebellious too and I have outgrown it, it was just my prayer that she outgrow it soon. Now she is in bad shape – they get worse with time, when they refuse to take meds and see a Dr.

 

[songline]

In regards to the discussion of Caylee being taken/not taken to see a pediatrician, I always thought that babies had to go to what are called "well baby" visits... not because they are sick, but just to check on things like how they are growing, how a certain formula is working out (or breast-feeding) and any other concerns a mother/parents may have. So, if Caylee was never taken to see a pediatrician, that is very odd, indeed. JMO.

ITA with you. but the mentally ill also have paranoia...SEEMS to me KC never wanted to reveal who Caylees dad is. There were secrets and lies from the start. (Just another sign of MI (mental illness)

 

[songline]

Lost girl,thank you so much for all the personal stuff you're sharing with us .
I always feel that your posts are dead on,I feel you really understand what was going on with KC IMO...but you also show us so loud and clear how one can overcome everything that happened in the past,I know it's a struggle that lasts a lifetime,but I just want to say you are so awesome for working through your problems and understanding them....theoretically KC could have done the same,but not everyone is so strong,not everyone has the coping skills to overcome stuff like that,so yeah,I hate her for what she did but I still feel empathetic about her...

DITTO! Yes, OLG is totally awesome. She is the rare case that does take her meds and lives a full life.
GOD Bless you One Lost Girl you are inspiration and education to many.

 

[songline]

Our "intelligence" isn't housed in the frontal lobe. The frontal lobe is all about our behavior, morals, reasoning skills, impulse control etc. It has been found that psychopaths often have abnormalities in the frontal lobe.

http://psychcentral.com/news/2010/04/28/new-insight-on-psychopathic-behavior/13254.html

http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n07/doencas/disease_i.htm

http://scan.oxfordjournals.org/content/1/3/203.full

It'll go nowhere because they didn't even get her brain scans.

All true.
Also as I have pointed out before Bipolar victims are very often highly intelligent and creative.
My daughter was an A+ student and an amazing artist.

 

[feddup]

All true.
Also as I have pointed out before Bipolar victims are very often highly intelligent and creative.
My daughter was an A+ student and an amazing artist.

I think it is more a chemical imbalance in them and yes, my niece is
bi polar and wasnt diagnosed until her 20's. By then, family members
really realized there was something really wrong.

Casey is intelligent but dont think anyone ever caught that she had a problem.

 

[feddup]

I don't think it will fly. From the Wikipedia entry on John Couey:

"On August 11, 2007, a jury overseeing the Lunsford case voted 10-2 that Couey be eligible for the death sentence. Defense for Couey argued that he had suffered from a lifetime of emotional abuse and had a below normal IQ, which would enable him to avoid a death sentence under a 2002 Supreme Court ruling prohibiting the execution of mentally handicapped people. However, the most credible intelligence test rates Couey's IQ at 78, slightly above the standard accepted level of mental retardation, which is 70."

Casey's IQ is way above 70. Couey appeared to be mentally challenged (certainly in a moral sense), and he still got the death penalty because he was a pig with no redeeming social value (no offense to pigs intended) who raped and killed a child. Casey does not appear to have any redeeming social value and she killed her OWN child (after or during the drugging of her own child for convenience).

That said, I don't think she'll get the death penalty. I think she'll get LWOP, and that would be fine with me as long as she never gets out. She'll find out what happens in prison when she starts stealing from and lying to and about other inmates. And you know she WILL because she can't help herself.

A "normal" person doesnt drug their child, steal from friends or from what others speculate....put them in a trunk to party. NO ONE in their right mind in FL would do that, it gets too hot down here. Sometimes it is hard just to sit in the car with all windows down. No, Casey is NOT normal in the things she did.
This IMO should be taken into consideration...

 

[Ssejors]

I know that many threads exist about opinion pertaining to KC's mental status, but I don't think that there is a thread about what Ann Finnell has referred to during voir dire as "brain development". Clearly, Finnell is referring to some sort of intellectual disability.

From the beginning the thing that has baffled me along with why Caylee is dead is why didn't KC graduate from high school. A normal middle class girl graduates from high school!

It's a long way to mitigation, but in the meantime, do you have opinions on KC's "brain development"?

For example: Might KC have belonged in a remedial class, but the superior Anthony's couldn't/wouldn't accept that she was "slow"?

What do you think? Discuss!

Not to poke or anything but I am a normal middle class white girl and I never graduated from High school and I am above average intellect based on any IQ tests, Standardized testing, Ability or Skill testing or any other tests of the like that I have ever taken. Frankly I was too busy "smoking".

 

[songline]

A "normal" person doesnt drug their child, steal from friends or from what others speculate....put them in a trunk to party. NO ONE in their right mind in FL would do that, it gets too hot down here. Sometimes it is hard just to sit in the car with all windows down. No, Casey is NOT normal in the things she did.
This IMO should be taken into consideration...

ITA with you.
Fortunately most people do not understand, or have any experience with bipolar.
Unfortunately, KC like most bipolar victims I do know, seemed to have normal middle class upbringing, looked sane. And everyone has already hung her, not because they know about MI (mental illness) but because to the naked eye KC did not do anything right. While that is true, it also screams of MI to those of us who know much about it.
DOES NOT MEAN SHE SHOULD NOT PAY the piper, it only means that the case like you said should take it into consideration and penalize her in a most appropriate way IMHO it would be life in a mental ward setting.
She is dangerous - not because she CAN kill - we do not know that yet.
But IMO she did put the baby in the trunk - HER DECITION MAKING PROCESS can and will harm anyone in her path.

 

[Linda7NJ]

ITA with you.
Fortunately most people do not understand, or have any experience with bipolar.
Unfortunately, KC like most bipolar victims I do know, seemed to have normal middle class upbringing, looked sane. And everyone has already hung her, not because they know about MI (mental illness) but because to the naked eye KC did not do anything right. While that is true, it also screams of MI to those of us who know much about it.
DOES NOT MEAN SHE SHOULD NOT PAY the piper, it only means that the case like you said should take it into consideration and penalize her in a most appropriate way IMHO it would be life in a mental ward setting.
She is dangerous - not because she CAN kill - we do not know that yet.
But IMO she did put the baby in the trunk - HER DECITION MAKING PROCESS can and will harm anyone in her path.

I do not believe she is bi-polar. IMO She seems like a psychopath and pathological liar, and not a very good or skilled one either. Her executive functioning seems waaaay off to me. I would venture a guess that she does indeed have frontal lobe damage. Too bad we'll never know for sure.

 

[Padua]

I just wanted to say, just because you know someone who has Bipolar Disorder does not make you an expert. Please don't mislead others with "facts."

Violence is not a symptom Bipolar Disorder.

Bipolar Disorder can also look alot like Cyclothymic Disorder and Seasonal Affective Disorder.

The reason there is a high rate of Bipolar Disorder now is the fact the medical card and insurance reimburses doctors and therapists for Bipolar Disorder but will not for a lot of other disorders. It is an abuse of the system but Doctors do like to get paid for their services, even if their patient is really malingering.

Also, there are two types of Bipolar Disorder with eight different mood qualifiers - in essence you can say there are 16 different types of Bipolar Disorder.

Try not to confuse others. Thanks.

Like my professor said on our first day of grad school in Advanced Psychopathology, "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing."

 

[Padua]

I've also read where people are stating LA and ICA have a type of Autistic Disorder. No, they do not. Neither one has Autism or Asperger's.

Autism and Asperger's are classified as the EXACT same thing with one difference - individuals with Asperger's do not have a language delay as a child while individuals with Autism do. That is the only difference.