KC's "Brain Development"

[Disguiseduser0308]

I'm not sure about this. In the text messages thread Casey texts Amy about taking Caylee to the pediatrician for a cold on the 23rd of May. Who knows? The records would still be confidential, I'm guessing.

I don't know myself. But was replying to Pink. FWIW, I wouldn't put anything into texts ICA wrote to anyone, anyway.

 

[Pattymarie]

seriously...sorry...when I look at the title of this thread....ugh...can't even bear to open it up....is kc's even BRAIN DEVELOPMENT seriously even being discussed?

 

[crucibelle]

In regards to the discussion of Caylee being taken/not taken to see a pediatrician, I always thought that babies had to go to what are called "well baby" visits... not because they are sick, but just to check on things like how they are growing, how a certain formula is working out (or breast-feeding) and any other concerns a mother/parents may have. So, if Caylee was never taken to see a pediatrician, that is very odd, indeed. JMO.

 

[crucibelle]

seriously...sorry...when I look at the title of this thread....ugh...can't even bear to open it up....is kc's even BRAIN DEVELOPMENT seriously even being discussed?

Yep.. because the DT is apparently planning on using KC's brain development as a mitigating circumstance during the penalty phase of her trial. So, I'm not surprised people want to talk about that.

 

[claudicici]

Bold is mine-
Because they didn't.. not until she murdered her child (if she did).

Lost girl,thank you so much for all the personal stuff you're sharing with us .
I always feel that your posts are dead on,I feel you really understand what was going on with KC IMO...but you also show us so loud and clear how one can overcome everything that happened in the past,I know it's a struggle that lasts a lifetime,but I just want to say you are so awesome for working through your problems and understanding them....theoretically KC could have done the same,but not everyone is so strong,not everyone has the coping skills to overcome stuff like that,so yeah,I hate her for what she did but I still feel empathetic about her...

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Hearing AF mumble through the litany of nonsense mitigating circumstances - and having her list "brain development" as one, as if it makes sense, is so obscene. WHAT are they basing this on?

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

I won't re-type them all here, but if ya Google aggravating factors in Florida death sentencing, you will see that these mitigators don't come close to outweighing the aggravators.
They are not going with insanity, so these are solely mitigation attempts. How does brain activity or abuse overcome the aggravating factor, the one I see as most important, that this child was killed in the care of her mother? Her mommy that she adored and felt safe with.

I don't think it will fly. From the Wikipedia entry on John Couey:

"On August 11, 2007, a jury overseeing the Lunsford case voted 10-2 that Couey be eligible for the death sentence. Defense for Couey argued that he had suffered from a lifetime of emotional abuse and had a below normal IQ, which would enable him to avoid a death sentence under a 2002 Supreme Court ruling prohibiting the execution of mentally handicapped people. However, the most credible intelligence test rates Couey's IQ at 78, slightly above the standard accepted level of mental retardation, which is 70."

Casey's IQ is way above 70. Couey appeared to be mentally challenged (certainly in a moral sense), and he still got the death penalty because he was a pig with no redeeming social value (no offense to pigs intended) who raped and killed a child. Casey does not appear to have any redeeming social value and she killed her OWN child (after or during the drugging of her own child for convenience).

That said, I don't think she'll get the death penalty. I think she'll get LWOP, and that would be fine with me as long as she never gets out. She'll find out what happens in prison when she starts stealing from and lying to and about other inmates. And you know she WILL because she can't help herself.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

It's interesting that you mention your ex boss trying to sue you for really odd things, that is what the EX DIL is doing to my son. She has bogus charges against him, all of which her emails prove to be lies, but even so, her (crazy) lawyer goes right along with her.

That is why my son is so financially stressed. Everytime she files one of these bogus charges, his lawyer has to answer it & there goes another $500 to $600!!!

I think murder seperates the narc. from the sociopath, once they cross that line, they are a sociopath.

This EX can lie without a blink of the eye, the lies just flow from her mouth. She has gotten caught in every one of them & then lies some more to try to cover them.

Or her excuse is "I don't remember saying that" and her favorite one if she had hurt one of the children "It's in the past, why can't everyone just get over it"!!!!

I've always thought that Casey's reaction to everyone ELSE'S reaction to Caylee's disappearance and death was that she had shoes older than Caylee, so why was everyone overreacting? It's not like Caylee was around all that long to begin with. Gah!

Do you ever watch The United States Of Tara on ShowTime? It's about a woman with Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). When you describe the DIL, it makes me think of one of Tara's alternate personalities, Tee. Tee is the promiscuous, childish, no-consequences, sexy-in-a-sleazy way party girl part of Tara's personality. All of Tara's many personalities are an extreme version of whichever aspect they personify.

Mind you, I'm not saying Casey has DID -- I think she's just a narcissistic, sociopathic, irresponsible, spiteful b***h.

 

[Meemom]

http://www.americanbar.org/content/.../crimjust_juvjus_Adolescence.authcheckdam.pdf

I think AF plans on using something along the lines as this type of study, especially the relationship to abuse, etc, While ICA is not a juvenile, the study mentions brain development into the early 20s. I've also heard of numerous other studies regarding criminals having under or over developed areas in their brains, as an excuse for their behavior, lack of emotions, etc. I think the DT is going to use this type of study to try and keep ICA off Death Row...."See, none of this is her fault, she couldn't help herself, no impulse control, yada, yada, yada....., not her fault she's seems to be a heartless B..."

JMO

 

[justthinkin]

Brain development disorder, myazz. Casey is a clusterpuck
of Cluster B personality disorders:
dramatic, emotional or erratic disorders

- Antisocial disorder: does not care about the law or the rights of others
- Borderline disorder: thinking is extreme on either end, lack of stability in relationships, identity, and behavior patterns.
- Histrionic disorder: attention-seeking behavior that includes sexual seductiveness and emotions inappropriate in typical society.
- Narcissistic disorder: pervasive patterns of grandiosity, need for attention, and a lack of empathy for others.
http://www.counselor.org/disorders.html

 

[Just Jayla]

I don't think it will fly. From the Wikipedia entry on John Couey:

"On August 11, 2007, a jury overseeing the Lunsford case voted 10-2 that Couey be eligible for the death sentence. Defense for Couey argued that he had suffered from a lifetime of emotional abuse and had a below normal IQ, which would enable him to avoid a death sentence under a 2002 Supreme Court ruling prohibiting the execution of mentally handicapped people. However, the most credible intelligence test rates Couey's IQ at 78, slightly above the standard accepted level of mental retardation, which is 70."

Casey's IQ is way above 70. Couey was appeared to be mentally challenged (certainly in a moral sense), and he still got the death penalty because he was a pig with no redeeming social value (no offense to pigs intended) who raped and killed a child. Casey does not appear to have any redeeming social value and she killed her OWN child (after or during the drugging of her own child for convenience).

That said, I don't think she'll get the death penalty. I think she'll get LWOP, and that would be fine with me as long as she never gets out. She'll find out what happens in prison when she starts stealing from and lying to and about other inmates. And you know she WILL because she can't help herself.

Unlike KC, Couey was not wiley enough to try to fully get away with his crime, particularly in reference to the fact that in a previous charge, he told the court that they should keep him locked up (IIRC), he knew he was a sicko.
It is almost a sign of higher awareness to try to stay out of jail by completely covering up and denying to the end what the evidence clearly points to. In a Drew Peterson sort of way, IYKWIM.

(Unless you are trying to make a socio-political statement of sorts, like McVeigh's confessions)

 

[Just Jayla]

Hearing AF mumble through the litany of nonsense mitigating circumstances - and having her list "brain development" as one, as if it makes sense, is so obscene. WHAT are they basing this on?

Great adjective, amongst others that have been running through my head at full speed in this last week of two....obscene, vulgar, vile, unpalatable, disgusting, infuriating.
I have been smug, I think that's what it is. I have wagered highly on the fact that this foul human being will for sure be convicted in a swift, albeit circus-like fashion. The fact that they are putting up this kind of fight, pulling every lie out of their brains, blaming, lying, going beyond the necessary as defense attorneys, is making me very angry.
How can JB look his children in the face? (Please do not remind me that it's his job, I am aware, and it does not "mitigate" my assessment of his integrity being in the toilet).
He knows their course is a total lie, a total lie!
I could not even begin to express my feelings of hatred for these people, all of them. And I have never hated anyone that I do not personally know to be hate-worthy. But I absolutely despise them all at this point.
I should not have ASSumed it would be as cut and dry in court as it actually, truly is. She killed her! Duh!!! :furious: Why must we be insulted with this garbage :furious:
Okay, I'm done for now.

Her brain development and AF's other litany does not touch my heart.

 

[Curious Me]

Defense in a "nut" shell.

http://www.ahealthymind.org/library/Attach murder Heide 06.pdf

(snipThis article has reviewed recent scientific findings showing that Type III trauma interferes with normal development
and is often associated with long-term neurophysiological changes involving the brain and endocrine system.
Abnormal development of the brain can lead to cognitive deficits; affect dysregulation, lack of empathy, rage, and
aggression. Type III trauma survivors are typically diagnosed with complex PTSD. They have difficulty accessing
higher cortical centers when in stressful situations, and consequently, they are at greater risk of behaving
inappropriately. For example, they are more likely than those without a trauma history to lash out violently at others, to
take flight, or to freeze in panic.[/COLOR]

Thank You, Phumi. Can the defense present it in a nutshell?
Does this have anything to do with squirrels?

 

[OneLostGrl]

Exactly, TL-- but the conscience is a function of the brain as well. So, if she has frontal lobe abnormality, is this a mitigating, or an aggravating factor? Do we know if she's killed pets, birds, or other creatures? Because these are also the marks of a serial killer...

The articles I've read today clearly indicate highly functioning, well adjusted people can have a frontal lobe abnormality. So imo, the tests alone mean nothing, but the history of behavior has be considered. Will the truth be told there? Is it even possible to know?

idk

Our "intelligence" isn't housed in the frontal lobe. The frontal lobe is all about our behavior, morals, reasoning skills, impulse control etc. It has been found that psychopaths often have abnormalities in the frontal lobe.

http://psychcentral.com/news/2010/04/28/new-insight-on-psychopathic-behavior/13254.html

http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n07/doencas/disease_i.htm

http://scan.oxfordjournals.org/content/1/3/203.full

It'll go nowhere because they didn't even get her brain scans.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

Unlike KC, Couey was not wiley enough to try to fully get away with his crime, particularly in reference to the fact that in a previous charge, he told the court that they should keep him locked up (IIRC), he knew he was a sicko.
It is almost a sign of higher awareness to try to stay out of jail by completely covering up and denying to the end what the evidence clearly points to. In a Drew Peterson sort of way, IYKWIM.

(Unless you are trying to make a socio-political statement of sorts, like McVeigh's confessions)

Nah, I'm just saying that whatever disorder she might have or abuse she might have suffered isn't going to fly; it didn't fly for Couey , who was a dolt, and it won't fly for HER. I picked his name out of the air because that case was also in Florida.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Brain development disorder, myazz. Casey is a clusterpuck
of Cluster B personality disorders:
dramatic, emotional or erratic disorders

- Antisocial disorder: does not care about the law or the rights of others
- Borderline disorder: thinking is extreme on either end, lack of stability in relationships, identity, and behavior patterns.
- Histrionic disorder: attention-seeking behavior that includes sexual seductiveness and emotions inappropriate in typical society.
- Narcissistic disorder: pervasive patterns of grandiosity, need for attention, and a lack of empathy for others.
http://www.counselor.org/disorders.html

Amen!

 

[Curious Me]

Unlike KC, Couey was not wiley enough to try to fully get away with his crime, particularly in reference to the fact that in a previous charge, he told the court that they should keep him locked up (IIRC), he knew he was a sicko.
It is almost a sign of higher awareness to try to stay out of jail by completely covering up and denying to the end what the evidence clearly points to. In a Drew Peterson sort of way, IYKWIM.

(Unless you are trying to make a socio-political statement of sorts, like McVeigh's confessions)

John Gardner who raped and killed Amber Dubois and Chelsea King had records going way back that he had problems. He took a plea deal of LWOP to avoid the DP. He was backed into a corner, yes, but at least he talked to Amber's mother privately to give her some closure. I thank him for having enough compassion to do, at least, that.

ICA has been very cruel to let this go on for three years, and now expect people to believe her crafty brain is flawed. This never should've gone this far. Her DT ought to have their brains checked.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Nah, I'm just saying that whatever disorder she might have isn't going to fly; it didn't fly for Couey , who was a dolt, and it won't fly for HER. I picked his name out of the air because that case was also in Florida.

here are a few more

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100317/full/464340a.html

http://blogs.psychcentral.com/forensic-focus/2010/03/the-brain-of-a-psychopath-using-fmri-technology-to-detect-brain-abnormalities-part-ii/


9 parts- http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/10/081110fa_fact_seabrook

 

[crucibelle]

John Gardner who raped and killed Amber Dubois and Chelsea King had records going way back that he had problems. He took a plea deal of LWOP to avoid the DP. He was backed into a corner, yes, but at least he talked to Amber's mother privately to give her some closure. I thank him for having enough compassion to do, at least, that.

ICA has been very cruel to let this go on for three years, and now expect people to believe her crafty brain is flawed. This never should've gone this far. Her DT ought to have their brains checked.

BBM. Yep.. while the DT are researching ICA's alleged 'brain development disorder', perhaps they should look in to their own. lol

 

[Curious Me]

My own brain needs to rest. I blame this on them, all of them, especially Zanny. fftobed: