Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024 # 3

[Deleted member 229974]

It was 8 times. His defense attorney has already stated the full video in context along with the additional evidence they have, will form his defense of Stines which will seek a full aquittal. It sounds to me like, they've got something kind of huge, if they're going for full aquittal, especially after the entire world saw what he did.

jmo

I wonder what some possible reasons would be, that would exonerate Stine from his actions that day. I personally cannot think of one.

 

[Lorenathered]

I keep going back and forth on what my theories are on why he did what he did. At the moment I bounce between a DV situation and that the judge possibly knew something about him, a bad secret of some sort, be it drugs or worse, and hinted at during lunch. They go back to talk in private and Stines checks the judges phone to make sure he hasn't reached out to his family yet - then takes him out before he can. These are my two theories at the moment. I fear we may never know the truth though.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I wonder what some possible reasons would be, that would exonerate Stine from his actions that day. I personally cannot think of one.

Whatever the reason was, is likely located in the judge's cell phone records.
Whether or not that reason would exonerate him, is another question.
Since Stines has plead not guilty I suspect we'll discover his motive eventually.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Whatever the reason was, is likely located in the judge's cell phone records.
Whether or not that reason would exonerate him, is another question.
Since Stines has plead not guilty I suspect we'll discover his motive eventually.

I keep going back and forth on what my theories are on why he did what he did. At the moment I bounce between a DV situation and that the judge possibly knew something about him, a bad secret of some sort, be it drugs or worse, and hinted at during lunch. They go back to talk in private and Stines checks the judges phone to make sure he hasn't reached out to his family yet - then takes him out before he can. These are my two theories at the moment. I fear we may never know the truth though.

Well, if he’s pleaded “not guilty” to a crime that is not only video taped but surrender to as well, I don’t expect much truth from him. IMO

 

[Sarg]

IMO, there are only two reasons for this to happen.
1- The sheriff found out about something so upsetting involving the judge that he lost it.
2- The sheriff had a break with reality and created a situation involving the judge that wasn't real.
Of course, we are missing so much information. It could be something completely different that we would never think of because of our lack of knowledge.

I totally agree with this. I am leaning towards #1. I think the "elephant in the room" involves inappropriate relationship between the judge and the sheriff's daughter. What would cause a Dad to go ballistic regarding what was on the other's phone....Totally MOO...still doesn't justify murder.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I totally agree with this. I am leaning towards #1. I think the "elephant in the room" involves inappropriate relationship between the judge and the sheriff's daughter. What would cause a Dad to go ballistic regarding what was on the other's phone....Totally MOO...still doesn't justify murder.

I agree 100%.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I totally agree with this. I am leaning towards #1. I think the "elephant in the room" involves inappropriate relationship between the judge and the sheriff's daughter. What would cause a Dad to go ballistic regarding what was on the other's phone....Totally MOO...still doesn't justify murder.

I lean toward #1 as well.
Mostly I'd like to agree with that last line. It all depends on what was on the phone.
I can't say it would justify the action but depending on the content, it would sure explain that level of rage.

jmo

 

[?!?]

I lean toward #1 as well.
Mostly I'd like to agree with that last line. It all depends on what was on the phone.
I can't say it would justify the action but depending on the content, it would sure explain that level of rage.

jmo

What about the sheriff saying "...my WIFE AND [kid/daughter]" -- sounds to me like they were in it (whatever 'it' is) together. Not necessarily equally, but with both having knowledge of what was going on. COULD have been the 'relationship' was with wife, with kid knowing but not telling -- to me, this is at least as likely as the other way around.

I also think sheriff may have been hoping for some reasonable explanation from judge regarding what 'people were saying' -- and when confronted with the phone evidence, instead of any sort of apology/explanation, judge reacted by rubbing salt in the wound / ridiculing sheriff who then 'flew off the handle' and shot -- and that's why he pled not guilty to murder.

MOO - IANAE - YMMV - etc.

 

[?!?]

I lean toward #1 as well.
Mostly I'd like to agree with that last line. It all depends on what was on the phone.
I can't say it would justify the action but depending on the content, it would sure explain that level of rage.

jmo

What about the sheriff saying "...my WIFE AND [kid/daughter]" -- sounds to me like they were in it (whatever 'it' is) together. Not necessarily equally, but with both having knowledge of what was going on. COULD have been the 'relationship' was with wife, with kid knowing but not telling -- to me, this is at least as likely as the other way around.

I also think it likely sheriff was hoping for some reasonable explanation from judge regarding what 'people were saying' -- and when confronted with the phone evidence, instead of any sort of apology/explanation, judge reacted by rubbing salt in the wound / ridiculing sheriff who then 'flew off the handle' and shot -- and that's why he pled not guilty to murder.

MOO - IANAE - YMMV - etc.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

For me, explaining and excusing are not one and the same. There is no excuse for the murder he is on tape committing. However, I am struggling to explain the why. The why, if we ever learn what it was, may influence the punishment.
The rapid, large weight loss ( and he is still pretty massive in the video), the reported quieter than usual behaviors have an explanation We just don't know what it is yet.
No explanation can excuse or condone this it just helps us understand it.. MOO MOO MOO MOO

I haven’t really noticed a loss in his weight, as he’s still grossly obese, IMO. And his being noticeably “quieter than usual” could have been him seething in anger and plotting his course to murder. JMO

 

[ilovewings]

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[Twick]

I totally agree with this. I am leaning towards #1. I think the "elephant in the room" involves inappropriate relationship between the judge and the sheriff's daughter. What would cause a Dad to go ballistic regarding what was on the other's phone....Totally MOO...still doesn't justify murder.

A violent LEO is more likely to be set off by someone helping his wife and daughter escape his control. That’s what I think then”kidnapping my wife and daughter” refers to.

 

[everyoneblooms]

A violent LEO is more likely to be set off by someone helping his wife and daughter escape his control. That’s what I think then”kidnapping my wife and daughter” refers to.

agree

 

[Ontario Mom]

A violent LEO is more likely to be set off by someone helping his wife and daughter escape his control. That’s what I think then”kidnapping my wife and daughter” refers to.

I would agree, except I'm not sure there's any evidence (other than his actions in killing the judge) that he's known to be either violent or controlling. Everyone who's mentioned both him and the judge seem to have nothing but kind things to say about them both.

jmo

 

[OldAce]

I would agree, except I'm not sure there's any evidence (other than his actions in killing the judge) that he's known to be either violent or controlling. Everyone who's mentioned both him and the judge seem to have nothing but kind things to say about them both.

jmo

A true history of the demeanor of either man has not been available.. Just generalizations in support.
Lets just wait for it... Probably amaze all of us and our theories...

 

[Ontario Mom]

A true history of the demeanor of either man has not been available.. Just generalizations in support.
Lets just wait for it... Probably amaze all of us and our theories...

Yes, so far all any of us have to go on is what happened, and what those that knew both men, have had to say.

 

[PrairieWind]

A violent LEO is more likely to be set off by someone helping his wife and daughter escape his control. That’s what I think then”kidnapping my wife and daughter” refers to.

But there has been no report from anyone that the sheriff was a violent or controlling person. You would think that if he was, by now, there would be people coming forward to report it. I don't think that is the case.

 

[Seattle1]

But there has been no report from anyone that the sheriff was a violent or controlling person. You would think that if he was, by now, there would be people coming forward to report it. I don't think that is the case.

@PrairieWind -- do you know anything about the grand jury here? How many days before they must return with an indictment? Thanks.

 

[bestill]

@PrairieWind -- do you know anything about the grand jury here? How many days before they must return with an indictment? Thanks.

I was thinking about that this morning. When I was on my local county GJ we met monthly, set schedule that the Clerk of Court provided us for the year.