Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024 # 3

[fsngruv]

I was leaning towards corruption and “favor trading” look the other way on this and I’ll ignore that type thing and a line might have been crossed by judge or sheriff- moo

Exactly!!!!

Eta: And to play into the daughter theory, I've wondered if it was favor trading until it involved the sheriff's daughter? I know it's wild but, maybe but not that wild since I think we've all been thinking it.
I'm holding out hope the victim is truly a victim, or only a perceived threat but it's a real possibility he was a big player in something else the sheriff became aware of or was privy to and he had a breaking point.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Exactly!!!!

Just a couple more weeks and GJ comes back … hopefully we get some more info- just for my curiosity I want answers!

 

[Deleted member 296739]

it's a real possibility he was a big player in something else the sheriff became aware of or was privy to and he had a breaking point.

RSBM

That is a real possibility- curious how it all plays out- moo

 

[housewife]

Article about the judge from a few years ago:

Letcher County District Judge Mullins believes in addiction recovery; Allison Rose is one success - NKyTribune

By Joshua Ball Shaping Our Appalachian Region WHITEBSURG, Ky. (KT) – Allison Rose sits in a chair in the Letcher County District Courtroom looking at camera and ready to tell her story. 
Just behind her is the bench of Letcher County District Judge Kevin Mullins. Flanked with the seal of the...

nkytribune.com

"Karen’s Place Maternity Center, a facility located in Louisa, for would-be mothers seeking treatment for addiction"

That's pretty awesome.

 

[OldAce]

Regardless- I’m 110% convinced that it’s more job related, vs mental health issues vs personal family related - time will tell, in theory - moo

I keep going back to the references and postings pertaining to the ADC connection. A little research will reveal there is a lot of money involved in the funding and operation of these centers over the state.
Possibly some conflict in who was allowed to open; or where one could be located, down to the property located on.
Access to state, federal funds, and local influences for referral of patients are all valuable in organizing these.
Like COVID, we now see how much fraud was connected with it. Possibly some connection/interference her?

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I keep going back to the references and postings pertaining to the ADC connection. A little research will reveal there is a lot of money involved in the funding and operation of these centers over the state.
Possibly some conflict in who was allowed to open; or where one could be located, down to the property located on.
Access to state, federal funds, and local influences for referral of patients are all valuable in organizing these.
Like COVID, we now see how much fraud was connected with it. Possibly some connection/interference her?

I agree that that’s a real possibility- and there might be a “follow the money” type scenario that we find out about later- if we find out details at all- moo

 

[KonaHonu]

I keep going back to the references and postings pertaining to the ADC connection. A little research will reveal there is a lot of money involved in the funding and operation of these centers over the state.
Possibly some conflict in who was allowed to open; or where one could be located, down to the property located on.
Access to state, federal funds, and local influences for referral of patients are all valuable in organizing these.
Like COVID, we now see how much fraud was connected with it. Possibly some connection/interference her?

There WAS a lot more money involved. At the end of June the US Supreme Court overturned the Sackler opioid settlement which took away the pot the was funding a lot of the treatment. The medicaid fraud investigation is also putting the squeeze on ARC. A little research will reveal how connected ARC is to the highest levels of KY government. And, Letcher County District Court provided a large number of patients for them.

Links posted upthread.

 

[OldAce]

There WAS a lot more money involved. At the end of June the US Supreme Court overturned the Sackler opioid settlement which took away the pot the was funding a lot of the treatment. The medicaid fraud investigation is also putting the squeeze on ARC. A little research will reveal how connected ARC is to the highest levels of KY government. And, Letcher County District Court provided a large number of patients for them.

Links posted upthread.

This is what I was alluding to. There was a lot of money having been spread around among a select few or those who fabricated "medical operation" to qualify". Now in my state of MS, there is one fraud for over a million 5 being prosecuted, based on 2 men who filed payroll claims during COVID.
Possibly this ARC investigation was looking close to Whitesburg and a picture emerged to Sheriff Stiles. To whatever kind of threat and however it was delivered, he became agitated for his family's well being. How this connected to the judge is unknown, but IMO the sheriff laid responsibility for its occurrence to the judge, and preempted that threat.
I think we will be surprised at the people involved in this ARC investigation, when/if it comes to public light.
Equally, I personally am concerned for the sheriff's life as these progress. Threats to dissuade don't work, then more stringent measures are used. Possible loss of a money stream and/or political position, lead to more serious crimes.

 

[Chimera]

I think; when/if the motive becomes known, there will be a much wider involvement of many others in whatever triggered the shooting. He was faced with something or set of circumstances that he thought the only way to counter them was to kill Mullins. Convoluted scenario, but truth is stranger that fiction. You know; Stines could die while trial pending, and all be moot.

Bbm.
Oh my goodness.

Hopefully Stine's being watched in case of suicide attempts, and that no one has access to him that could harm him.
There needs to be an accounting and justice for this brutal slaying.
And imo it was brutal, no getting around that !
Omo.

 

[Angelcat13]

Article about the judge from a few years ago:

Letcher County District Judge Mullins believes in addiction recovery; Allison Rose is one success - NKyTribune

By Joshua Ball Shaping Our Appalachian Region WHITEBSURG, Ky. (KT) – Allison Rose sits in a chair in the Letcher County District Courtroom looking at camera and ready to tell her story. 
Just behind her is the bench of Letcher County District Judge Kevin Mullins. Flanked with the seal of the...

nkytribune.com

I want to explain my “sad” emoji to this post. I am sad because this makes me see a side of KM that really has not been in the forefront and I feel this is a great disservice to KM. But I also feel that MS was also a great guy. That’s what makes it so hard to try to understand WHAT / WHY?? What happened to fracture their relationship? Was it real or perceived? If real, what was it EXACTLY? If perceived, why? Why would MS’s perception be so tragically “off” - Long-simmering unfounded jealousy? Mental illness? Substance abuse? Physiological / Medical - brain tumor, metastatic cancer, etc? Environmental (or intentional) toxins?

It’s just so sad how many lives, and the community in general, have been and will continue to be affected by this.

 

[Aqua]

Possible Stine's found out judge actually knew what had been going on in his chambers or perhaps involved? IDK. I really want to know why. Not that it's any excuse for killing the judge.

 

[Dre]

Possible Stine's found out judge actually knew what had been going on in his chambers or perhaps involved? IDK. I really want to know why. Not that it's any excuse for killing the judge.

Right, if Judge Mullins was complicit in the illegal activity but said something effectively pointing the finger at Stines as the problem, I could see that being enough for rage if the bad facts of the case tanked Stine’s career trajectory, family life and mental health. That long and arduous Monday deposition seemed to be really triggering for Stines and this case overall just feels like a lot of compounded anger.
Just speculation of course, may be awhile before we hear anything new…

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I am curious what legal grounds people think LE would have to seize the phone a minor child's phone who is not suspected of any crime and was not at the crime scene when said crime occurred?

This is a good question...

But consider this...

What if a man was seen shot and killed on a third party's... innocent man's... front yard...

Would not the innocent man's yard still be cordoned off and investigated for evidence...

Even though he had no part in the shooting?

Perhaps this is not a perfect analogy...
but just one that comes to mind...

 

[Seattle1]

Understanding Search and Seizure Laws in Kentucky

Discover how search and seizure laws in Kentucky impact privacy. Know your rights and find a skilled criminal defense attorney to protect them.

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Constitution of KY, Section 10:

https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/Law/Constitution/Constitution/ViewConstitution?rsn=12

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Understanding Search and Seizure Laws in Kentucky

Discover how search and seizure laws in Kentucky impact privacy. Know your rights and find a skilled criminal defense attorney to protect them.

adamstotts.com

Constitution of KY, Section 10:

https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/Law/Constitution/Constitution/ViewConstitution?rsn=12

Thanks for the help with KY laws

 

[OldAce]

This doesn’t mean it wasn’t saved in the phone- dialing it doesn’t exclude the number being saved- just that he didn’t pick it from a list - which would make sense especially if it was saved under a different name or not obviously listed in recent call log- it’s just the fastest way for him to call the daughter - moo

I am curious as to the 2 officers stating the number was not saved in the judges phone. As I understood the stalling of Stamper; and the follow up to clarify his confusing testimony, that the phones were essentially picked up, bagged, tagged and shipped to the forensic lab. They "did not know", or" that was not available yet" or.......
No where do the say they examined the phones while in their custody so how do the know?
Whatever was at issue with Stines; and however he reached the daughter or failed to, it is obvious from the immediate action he took that he confirmed something to his satisfactions.
Also, The SO employee who offered her phone with some supposedly text from her to Stines, or vice versa.
If it was not of importance, why not so state to alleviate speculation.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I am curious as to the 2 officers stating the number was not saved in the judges phone. As I understood the stalling of Stamper; and the follow up to clarify his confusing testimony, that the phones were essentially picked up, bagged, tagged and shipped to the forensic lab. They "did not know", or" that was not available yet" or.......
No where do the say they examined the phones while in their custody so how do the know?
Whatever was at issue with Stines; and however he reached the daughter or failed to, it is obvious from the immediate action he took that he confirmed something to his satisfactions.
Also, The SO employee who offered her phone with some supposedly text from her to Stines, or vice versa.
If it was not of importance, why not so state to alleviate speculation.

The whole we don’t k ow because we don’t have reports back yet and we do know this or that about the phones was rather confusing tending towards suspicious for me- maybe we find out more when grand jury comes back and or it goes to trial - moo

 

[Ontario Mom]

I am curious as to the 2 officers stating the number was not saved in the judges phone. As I understood the stalling of Stamper; and the follow up to clarify his confusing testimony, that the phones were essentially picked up, bagged, tagged and shipped to the forensic lab. They "did not know", or" that was not available yet" or.......
No where do the say they examined the phones while in their custody so how do the know?
Whatever was at issue with Stines; and however he reached the daughter or failed to, it is obvious from the immediate action he took that he confirmed something to his satisfactions.
Also, The SO employee who offered her phone with some supposedly text from her to Stines, or vice versa.
If it was not of importance, why not so state to alleviate speculation.

Legit question. If the lead detective didn't know (because he wasn't qualified to examine the phone, and the phone records hadn't yet come back from the lab, and the phone itself was at the lab), then how did the 2 other officers know?
I don't think they did. The statement issued was "there is no evidence" that her number was on his phone. Unless one of them checked, there's no way they could have known either way.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Stupid questions alert - if GJ has 60 days to return an indictment, that’s calendar days right?

Oct 1 was preliminary hearing - so is 60 days 11/29 or 11/30 depending if they count 10/1- or does it start when the GJ convenes?

Does thanksgiving holiday impact when they have to return the indictment or not?

Quite clueless -TIA

 

[al66pine]

Computing Time. KY Court Orders & Statutes

Stupid questions alert - if GJ has 60 days to return an indictment, that’s calendar days right?
Oct 1 was preliminary hearing - so is 60 days 11/29 or 11/30 depending if they count 10/1- or does it start when the GJ convenes?

Does thanksgiving holiday impact when they have to return the indictment or not?

Quite clueless -TIA

@Harriett_Eva
"Stupid questions alert"???
No worries. Everybody has 'stupid questions.'
But the subject matters are different for each of us.

W, a quick search, I found in this in KY. statutes, which seems to apply imo:

"446.030 Computation of time."
"(1) (a) In computing any period of time prescribed or allowed by order of court, or by any applicable statute or regulation, the day of the act, event or default after which the designated period of time begins to run is not to be included. The last day of the period so computed is to be included, unless it is a Saturday, a Sunday, a legal holiday, or a day on which the public office in which a document is required to be filed is actually and legally closed, in which event the period runs until the end of the next day which is not one (1) of the days just mentioned. When the period of time prescribed or allowed is less than seven (7) days, intermediate Saturdays, Sundays and legal holidays shall be excluded in the computation.
"(b) When a statute, regulation, or order of court requires an act to be done either a certain time before an event or a certain time before the day on which an event occurs, the day of the event shall be excluded in computing the time. If the day thereby computed on which or by which the act is required to be done falls on a Saturday, Sunday, legal holiday, or a day on which the public office in which the act is required to be completed is actually and legally closed, the act may be done on the next day which is none of the days just mentioned.
"(2) If any proceeding is directed by law to take place, or any act is directed to be done, on a particular day of a month and that day is Sunday, the proceeding shall take place, or the act shall be done, on the next day that is not a legal holiday."

(Please, don't ask me to open a calendar to figure this out. LOL)

https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/law/statutes/statute.aspx?id=19391#:~:text=Computation%20of%20time.-,(1)%20(a)%20In%20computing%20any%20period%20of%20time,is%20not%20to%20be%20included.