Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024 # 3

[LadyL]

On the first page of every single discussion thread, WS Admin lists the links to the prior thread numbers and also links the MEDIA, MAPS, TIMELINE, *No DISCUSSION* THREAD. I've been here since 2013 and it hasn't moved. Page one, check it out!

never noticed I usually don't see the first page thank you for pointing it out

 

[LadyL]

Under sworn testimony he said that, yes. Do you have reason to believe the detective was lying under oath in front of Stines’ attorney?

no he wasn't lying but he was merely repeating what he had been told - he didn't hear it first hand and I do believe it's possible that it could've been a different word initially that got misinterpreted via the game of telephone JMO

 

[LadyL]

I don't think we know. I believe this comment we hear was the one obtained at the hearing and that was double hearsay. I have said that people should be cautious trying to parse those words because we don't know for sure that those were the words used, or really the context.

yes! exactly! thank you

 

[wackyw]

To be clear, this is about a statement by Stines being true to him about protecting his family.
It also appears to me that OP does not understand that it was Stines Defense Attorney Bartley (identified as "Defense" on the transcript) who was questioning "Detective" Stamper where Bartley himself elicited the 'kidnap' hearsay response from Stamper that the defense wanted on the record! I truly don't know what more can be added here on this subject of what Stines said since it does not appear on the citation. Respectfully, I suggest OP rewatch the recorded preliminary hearing.

The defense need to amplify anything that might point to an overly agitated state of mind, and it would certainly prefer the word kidnap in use than any other version of "take". They were probably hoping for an extra ".... and were going to eat their livers with some fava beans and a nice Chianti".
I think I'll wait for the trial, and hopefully the officer that actually heard the defendant, before assigning any importance to this.

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[Rosiebones]

Why is he being held without bail? Because he is a flight risk, I doubt that. Or a danger to himself or others? Is it a thought that if he was released on bail, he could possibly snap again? Or is this a mandated action considering the charges against him? MOO MOO MOO

 

[Knox]

Why is he being held without bail? Because he is a flight risk, I doubt that. Or a danger to himself or others? Is it a thought that if he was released on bail, he could possibly snap again? Or is this a mandated action considering the charges against him? MOO MOO MOO

Motive aside. Based on the details known so far, you don’t think the circumstances of this murder warrant no bail?

 

[Rosiebones]

He is innocent until proven guilty under our system, even though he is caught on camera. I thought bail or no bail was to assure he would be present at a trial. Isn't denying bail in this case the same as assuming guilt? Would he have been eligible for bail if if he hadn't been caught on tape? I am not picking a fight here just curious about the process.
Believe me, I think he is exactly where he should be.
MOO MOO MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Why is he being held without bail? Because he is a flight risk, I doubt that. Or a danger to himself or others? Is it a thought that if he was released on bail, he could possibly snap again? Or is this a mandated action considering the charges against him? MOO MOO MOO

This question always surprises me. The Constitution of every State governs the bail laws for each including Kentucky.

Here, the Kentucky Constitution limits excessive bail, and guarantees the right to bail for criminal defendants, with some exceptions: no bail for capital offenses when the proof is evident or the presumption great.

Stines is charged with capital murder, and Judge Julia Adam ruled he be held without bond at his bond hearing held on Nov 25.

Also, in addition to the Kentucky Constitution, Marsy's Law, an amendment to the Kentucky Constitution, gives crime victims certain rights. Judge Adam's further referenced Marsy's law when denying Stines bond.

https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/Law/Constitution/Constitution/ViewConstitution?rsn=18#:~:text=%2D%2D%20Habeas%20corpus.-,All%20prisoners%20shall%20be%20bailable%20by%20sufficient%20securities%2C%20unless%20for,public%20safety%20may%20require%20it.

Marsy's Law - Kentucky Attorney General

www.ag.ky.gov

No bond set for former sheriff Mickey Stines after arraignment in Letcher County

Former Letcher County Sheriff Mickey Stines was back in the Letcher County Courthouse, where he pleaded not guilty to murdering District Judge Kevin Mullins more than two months ago

www.lex18.com

 

[Knox]

He is innocent until proven guilty under our system, even though he is caught on camera. I thought bail or no bail was to assure he would be present at a trial. Isn't denying bail in this case the same as assuming guilt? Would he have been eligible for bail if if he hadn't been caught on tape? I am not picking a fight here just curious about the process.
Believe me, I think he is exactly where he should be.
MOO MOO MOO

Thank you for clarifying why you asked the question. IMO, Stines is a danger to himself and others.

 

[Cowboy89]

I’ll try to find it and maybe someone already posted about it. There was a news report yesterday that judge Mullins and the sheriffs department were all involved in a case of extorting sex out of female inmates for early parole from the jail. They report played an audio recording where a woman claimed she had seen video of the judge with a female inmate as well as a deputy Supposedly stines was not involved but had just found out about it all

 

[dmac55]

I’ll try to find it and maybe someone already posted about it. There was a news report yesterday that judge Mullins and the sheriffs department were all involved in a case of extorting sex out of female inmates for early parole from the jail. They report played an audio recording where a woman claimed she had seen video of the judge with a female inmate as well as a deputy Supposedly stines was not involved but had just found out about it all

Yes i believe it has been brought up here…

Here’s one link-
Judge Killed in Chambers May Be Tied To Sex Scandal: Audio - YouTube

 

[Knox]

During the attorney general office’s interview with the woman in that case in 2022, she claimed that she’d seen a video of Mullins having sex with a woman in his chambers at the courthouse. LEX 18 obtained the audio of the interview from the Office of the Attorney General after it was covered by national outlets last week.

Mullins was never accused of anything related to the allegation in the interview or charged with anything. LEX 18 asked the attorney general’s office whether they ever investigated the claims against Mullins, and they told us to put in an open records request.

She told the investigator that the man who had the video claimed to have numerous similar videos of other people that were on VHS style tapes, but she said she’d only seen one of the videos.

Killed Letcher County judge brought up in old investigation interview

An interview from a 2022 investigation made national headlines last week after a mention in it of killed Letcher County District Court Judge Kevin Mullins came to light.

www.lex18.com

 

[OldAce]

During the attorney general office’s interview with the woman in that case in 2022, she claimed that she’d seen a video of Mullins having sex with a woman in his chambers at the courthouse. LEX 18 obtained the audio of the interview from the Office of the Attorney General after it was covered by national outlets last week.

Mullins was never accused of anything related to the allegation in the interview or charged with anything. LEX 18 asked the attorney general’s office whether they ever investigated the claims against Mullins, and they told us to put in an open records request.

She told the investigator that the man who had the video claimed to have numerous similar videos of other people that were on VHS style tapes, but she said she’d only seen one of the videos.

Killed Letcher County judge brought up in old investigation interview

An interview from a 2022 investigation made national headlines last week after a mention in it of killed Letcher County District Court Judge Kevin Mullins came to light.

www.lex18.com

It would be interesting to investigate this person as to what else he had. It does seem to be common for those who set up these type sex videos to show them around, just as proof.. Look at me, scoring...

 

[Tricia]

WOW Just released body cam footage.

 

[Aqua]

WOW Just released body cam footage.

He's in fear for his life.

 

[maamager]

IMO We will never fully know the full story. The sheriff made sure of that.

 

[Luna20]

WOW Just released body cam footage.

“C’mon now c’mon boys please be fair”

That’s weird to say considering he just shot the judge. Fair in what way? Handcuffs, backseat, a hamburger?

 

[Leilei]

I don't know if he's terrified, having some sort of mental break, on drugs, or what, or all three... but his behavior is completely off-kilter. Completely silent when asked if this had something to do with his family, every time they asked him, plus not realizing that yes, they were taking him to the jail, not out to the forest, and not turning him over to someone who was going to hurt/kill him.
This cannot have been normal behavior for him, and lends credence to what we've heard about his paranoia over the weeks/days preceding the shooting.
A lot to unpack here, for sure.
IMO.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

“C’mon now c’mon boys please be fair”

That’s weird to say considering he just shot the judge. Fair in what way? Handcuffs, backseat, a hamburger?

My take is that he's afraid, yes, but not of whatever caused him to shoot Mullins.

What I hear in that audio is a man afraid he's about to be subjected to small-town vigilante justice.

MOO

 

[Knox]

“C’mon now c’mon boys please be fair”

That’s weird to say considering he just shot the judge. Fair in what way? Handcuffs, backseat, a hamburger?

He said it over and over again. Very strange ...