Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024 # 3

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In the footage after the shooting where Stines is being spoken to by LEOs in the corridor, he is insistent he wants to see his daughter but seems troubled or frustrated by their concern that she must be 18 or they will have to get permission from her mother (his wife) before allowing that.

I really think this will boil down to stress, lack of sleep, trouble at home, and a situation where the judge had signed or was going to sign an EPO against Stines over whatever was happening at home. JMO IMO
Sounds to me like all of his troubles were of his own making.
No kidnappers, no SA by the judge.
Just a local sheriff who got himself into DV trouble, got mad, and took matters into his own murdering hands instead of fixing himself through counseling, therapy, and addressing the issues in court the LEGAL way.
What a mess, and what a shame.
IMO.
 
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This reminded me of something and makes me wonder if Stines has had a full medical exam since the shooting - especially to look for any evidence of brain tumors, lesions, cancer, etc.

My Grandmother had a brother who lived alone with and was taking care of his wife who was severely physically disabled with multiple sclerosis. My Grandmother started getting phone calls from the wife over the course of a couple weeks during which the wife would say that her husband had become verbally abusive, threatened to push her in her wheelchair into the River at the end of their street, etc. My uncle would get on the phone and deny everything and the police went out for welfare checks and always foynd him to be rational, the home (and my aunt) were in good condition, neighbors hadn’t noticed anything, etc. Everyone assumed it was my aunt that was having mental health issues. That was until one night when neighbors found my uncle in the middle of the street, naked and screaming threats/incoherent. He was always a kind, caring man so this was completely uncharacteristic of him! He was taken in for a medical/psych evaluation and was found to have brain cancer throughout most of his brain. He had somehow been able to hide/compensate for his mental decline until he just couldn’t anymore.

I hope they have had a complete medical & psychological evaluation of Stines to make sure there is/isn’t an underlying issue that could have led to his actions. I tend to doubt that there is a medical reason just because I would think it would have become more apparent with the amount of time that has passed, but I guess you never know.
if it is true that he hadn't slept in days it is possible that sleep deprivation led to psychosis. studies indicate that after 72 uninterrupted hours without sleep that complex psychosis is not only possible, but likely

Most participants experienced more complex symptoms after 48 hours without sleep, including:

hallucinations
simple delusions
disorientation
disorganized thinking
apathy
depression
euphoria
anger and hostility

After 72 hours of not sleeping, people started experiencing persistent:

complex hallucinations
elaborated delusions
bouts of aggression
more mood changes
Can Sleep Loss Cause Symptoms of Schizophrenia?
 
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if it is true that he hadn't slept in days it is possible that sleep deprivation led to psychosis. studies indicate that after 72 uninterrupted hours without sleep that complex psychosis is not only possible, but likely

Most participants experienced more complex symptoms after 48 hours without sleep, including:

hallucinations
simple delusions
disorientation
disorganized thinking
apathy
depression
euphoria
anger and hostility

After 72 hours of not sleeping, people started experiencing persistent:

complex hallucinations
elaborated delusions
bouts of aggression
more mood changes
Can Sleep Loss Cause Symptoms of Schizophrenia?
Sleeplessness can also be an indicator of a manic episode. Source: family member who is the reason we have had our phones on do not disturb at night for over a decade. He just calls because he feels like talking at 3-4 in the morning, and doesn't see a problem with it because he's awake, so we shouldn't be annoyed.
 
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Sleeplessness can also be an indicator of a manic episode. Source: family member who is the reason we have had our phones on for not disturb at night for over a decade. He just calls because he feels like talking at 3-4 in the morning, and doesn't see a problem with it because he's awake, so we shouldn't be annoyed.
I feel you on this. Only my family member lives with us so it is not at all unusual for me to be awakened at all hours from a dead sleep because as you say the individual is blissfully unaware that it is not normal to be awake for three to four days at a stretch.
 
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In the footage after the shooting where Stines is being spoken to by LEOs in the corridor, he is insistent he wants to see his daughter but seems troubled or frustrated by their concern that she must be 18 or they will have to get permission from her mother (his wife) before allowing that.

I really think this will boil down to stress, lack of sleep, trouble at home, and a situation where the judge had signed or was going to sign an EPO against Stines over whatever was happening at home. JMO IMO

This is what I think too.

I think the defense is going to try to insinuate that the judge was into bad things (like the deputy who was SAing prisoners in exchange for favors). But, there has never been anything official about the judge being involved in anything like that. Would the judge in the murder case likely make it off-limits to insinuate those things? Or will prosecution need to be sure to clearly lay it out for the jury instead?

I think it was Stines who was into something bad (maybe DV if an EPO was needed at home), not the judge.

Stines must have been scary, imo, with how quickly everyone stood up & left the judge's chambers after MS told them to get out. And if the gun swapping tale was true, premeditation has to be considered. Was he planning to use the other guy's gun, then blame the other guy as the one who shot the judge?!?

Also, there has been a lot of talk/gossip about the daughter & the judge (which has all been denied by MS's family). If there was some sort of protection order related to DV for his home, I'm guessing that MS wanted to talk with his daughter as some kind of intermediary with his wife.

MOO.
 
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I hope they have had a complete medical & psychological evaluation of Stines to make sure there is/isn’t an underlying issue that could have led to his actions. I tend to doubt that there is a medical reason just because I would think it would have become more apparent with the amount of time that has passed, but I guess you never know.

I'm concerned whether there was ever a toxicology screen, at a minimum, when he was arrested! Yet it seems Stines and his escort remained seated in the Courtroom corridor for hours. Very odd. JMO
 
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I think it was Stines who was into something bad (maybe DV if an EPO was needed at home), not the judge.
^^rsbm

Except an EPO for the local Sheriff would never be handled in Letcher County and/or signed by any Judge here! JMO
 
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I'm concerned whether there was ever a toxicology screen, at a minimum, when he was arrested! Yet it seems Stines and his escort remained seated in the Courtroom corridor for hours. Very odd. JMO
There may not have been a tox done. They would need a warrant and that should be available I would think.
 
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I keep recalling one of the CourtTV interviews from last night where the lady kept alluding to a bunch of grant money for drug treatment programs as if it were being mishandled. I can’t help but to wonder if something like that may be at play?
 
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I keep recalling one of the CourtTV interviews from last night where the lady kept alluding to a bunch of grant money for drug treatment programs as if it were being mishandled. I can’t help but to wonder if something like that may be at play?

Follow the money is always a good start to any investigation!
 
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Did any further mention of his Aunt come through today? It’s just odd that he spent the night at her house the night before and that he would FaceTime her in the minutes leading up to murdering Mullins. Maybe his wife booted him out.
 
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This is what I think too.

I think the defense is going to try to insinuate that the judge was into bad things (like the deputy who was SAing prisoners in exchange for favors). But, there has never been anything official about the judge being involved in anything like that. Would the judge in the murder case likely make it off-limits to insinuate those things? Or will prosecution need to be sure to clearly lay it out for the jury instead?

I think it was Stines who was into something bad (maybe DV if an EPO was needed at home), not the judge.

Stines must have been scary, imo, with how quickly everyone stood up & left the judge's chambers after MS told them to get out. And if the gun swapping tale was true, premeditation has to be considered. Was he planning to use the other guy's gun, then blame the other guy as the one who shot the judge?!?

Also, there has been a lot of talk/gossip about the daughter & the judge (which has all been denied by MS's family). If there was some sort of protection order related to DV for his home, I'm guessing that MS wanted to talk with his daughter as some kind of intermediary with his wife.

MOO.
I missed any gun swapping tale. Do recall phone swapping. Please refer me to it.
Thanks
 
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Follow the money is always a good start to any investigation!

i agree.

but, no matter what happens with this case, i continue to think we will never know the full truth of what was going on nor who was involved as there are just too many dirty hands for too many years... also some people in the community are simply blind... for a variety of reasons.

it's sad, and a disgrace for the good people who live in the area.

jmo... which is obviously very jaded.
 
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I missed any gun swapping tale. Do recall phone swapping. Please refer me to it.
Thanks
I believe it's in the video posted a page or two ago, with the witness interviews.
I still haven't watched it and need to!
IMO.
 
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I keep recalling one of the CourtTV interviews from last night where the lady kept alluding to a bunch of grant money for drug treatment programs as if it were being mishandled. I can’t help but to wonder if something like that may be at play?
True.. And you have to have a steady stream of drug addicts sent there for treatment to operate a statewide chain; and some high level applications to obtain those grants.
Though once you are large enough to provide, it is quite lucrative. Here is one; ARC, that has done well since 2010 to 2022. Was having some FBI attention. tho the Eagle has nothing further I've seen.

 
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Sounds to me like all of his troubles were of his own making.
No kidnappers, no SA by the judge.
Just a local sheriff who got himself into DV trouble, got mad, and took matters into his own murdering hands instead of fixing himself through counseling, therapy, and addressing the issues in court the LEGAL way.
What a mess, and what a shame.
IMO.
MOO looks like through all the defense spin that thin is the truth.
 
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i'm not a strong supporter/believer of anyone involved but i don't think stines words meant literal 'kidnapping'. i also think someone's words urged stines in being very worked-up emotionally and mentally during the time before he killed the judge. just to be clear, i don't believe someone encouraged him to kill the judge but rather someone simply prodded his state of mind prior to the shooting. i don't know why i feel this way but i do.

imo
 
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I keep recalling one of the CourtTV interviews from last night where the lady kept alluding to a bunch of grant money for drug treatment programs as if it were being mishandled. I can’t help but to wonder if something like that may be at play?

Interesting. The judge sentences everyone in drug court to treatment programs and gets kickbacks?

That cuts into the Sheriff’s pocket, they get bonus based on inmates in custody/detention. The judge bypasses detention for drug treatment.
 
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Interesting. The judge sentences everyone in drug court to treatment programs and gets kickbacks?

That cuts into the Sheriff’s pocket, they get bonus based on inmates in custody/detention. The judge bypasses detention for drug treatment.

Not necessarily. A defendant is not denied due process. Those charged for drug offenses are still detained awaiting trial, where drug treatment comes after conviction, the product of sentencing-- i.e., drug treatment in lieu of imprisonment.

For example, the plaintiff in the subject civil lawsuit against Stines became a victim of the Letcher County Deputy while on house arrest awaiting trial for a drug offense. However, she was initially being detained in Letcher County Jail, and would have remained there if she wasn't able to meet the financial conditions for house arrest.

MOO
 
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Not necessarily. A defendant is not denied due process. Those charged for drug offenses are still detained awaiting trial, where drug treatment comes after conviction, the product of sentencing-- i.e., drug treatment in lieu of imprisonment.

For example, the plaintiff in the subject civil lawsuit against Stines became a victim of the Letcher County Deputy while on house arrest awaiting trial for a drug offense. However, she was initially being detained in Letcher County Jail, and would have remained there if she wasn't able to meet the financial conditions for house arrest.

MOO

Not here. Judges have all the discretion regarding sentences, they don't have any mandatory guideline. They can sentence people directly to treatment and bypass detention.
 
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