Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024 # 4

[Ontario Mom]

I doubt it will be anything new or earth shattering, probably a rehash of what Vinnie has already been discussing at length for months. But I guess we won't know til it airs.

Sorry, who's Vinnie?

 

[tlcya]

Sorry, who's Vinnie?

Vinnie Politan - Court TV​

ETA link to their coverage ️You searched for mickey stines | Court TV

 

[Ontario Mom]

 

[Ontario Mom]

I doubt it will be anything new or earth shattering, probably a rehash of what Vinnie has already been discussing at length for months. But I guess we won't know til it airs.

I haven't watched any of his coverage so I'm curious now, is it on the same details Brian Entin released about the sex for favors issue not being a secret at all?

 

[tlcya]

I am so confused. I understood the first young woman and what she was alleging. The second young woman who claims to be a former guard at the jail confused the heck out of me. She describes Ben Fields coming in and being an automatic "trustee" and having access to keys and such that most have to exhibit good behavior for some time and show initiative and prove trustworthiness to achieve.

I have always only ever heard the term trustee in a jail or prison setting used to describe and inmate who had achieved some level of trust through good behavior. I've never in my life heard of an officer being a trustee in a jail setting. Now granted I am not well versed in prison and jail type stuff outside of what I've seen on TV but can someone with more knowledge explain to me a guard or deputy being a trustee and what that means?

 

[PinkButtercup]

I have always only ever heard the term trustee in a jail or prison setting used to describe and inmate who had achieved some level of trust through good behavior. I've never in my life heard of an officer being a trustee in a jail setting. Now granted I am not well versed in prison and jail type stuff outside of what I've seen on TV but can someone with more knowledge explain to me a guard or deputy being a trustee and what that means?

I think the girl is referring to after Ben Fields was arrested and booked into the jail on the rape charge(s). He was a brand new inmate, but was immediately given all the privileges she described in the interview.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

I think the girl is referring to after Ben Fields was arrested and booked into the jail on the rape charge(s). He was a brand new inmate, but was immediately given all the privileges she described in the interview.

JMO

ohhhhhh. I see. The more we learn the more we learn. I am beginning to sway towards there was indeed some pretty deeply embedded long term corruption in this county and the judge was no saint.

Still think Mickey is rightly charged and hoping he is convicted of murder. IMO the described parties, SA, etc, none of it could have happened without Stines knowledge and cooperation/participation. JMO

I am still back and forth on whether Stines was in his right mind or crazy like a fox. Either way, that man knew what he was doing when he fired that final shot, the kill shot.

 

[fsngruv]

I mean, no offense towards these lovely ladies, but couldn't they find some more credible people to interview? Not just as in character. How much was the first woman hanging out at the court house? How did these parties/rendezvous take place? No call? No text? Email? Something. A lot of her statements seem very inconsistent, with the exceptions of her criminal admissions. Seven years in prison but you were having sex with a judge? So strange.

The one who was a deputy for about three months does come off as some what more credible, because she doesn't have as much of an axe to grind as the first, but still not terribly credible, namely the "I keep getting things mixed up".

Maybe they are right, everyone knows and these details will come out in court, but I have some doubts about their allegations. But I'm glad these women have found community with each other, if what they state is true then I hope it all comes out and they find their justice, otherwise, I hope they enjoyed the attention.

You gotta love Kentucky tho, wood paneling, goats, gawd, and mountain dews!

 

[Ontario Mom]

I mean, no offense towards these lovely ladies, but couldn't they find some more credible people to interview?

In a way, that seems to be exactly how this alleged well known "secret" was able to continue.
I suspect, if this is all true (and I have a strong feeling it is), this is exactly what those in control, counted on.

That aside, it's a pretty twisted life if the local judge being shot caused someone to breathe a sigh of relief. I can't even imagine.

 

[Tricia]

fsngruv said:
I mean, no offense towards these lovely ladies, but couldn't they find some more credible people to interview?
This is exactly how the perps want their victims to be perceived.
They are "just drug addicts... can't be trusted. I'm respected in law enforcement. Believe me, not them," and people do.
@fsngruv I am glad you were honest and said what you said. Because many people feel this way, and this is why they can get away with it for so long.
The feds need to come in and take over.
This is HUGE.

 

[fsngruv]

In a way, that seems to be exactly how this alleged well known "secret" was able to continue.
I suspect, if this is all true (and I have a strong feeling it is), this is exactly what those in control, counted on.

That aside, it's a pretty twisted life if the local judge being shot caused someone to breathe a sigh of relief. I can't even imagine.

I agree, this could be the case. Even in cases like Harvey Weinstein, "everyone knew" and didn't say anything, and the victims were otherwise trustworthy people and not the same type of victim, so to speak. I think that speaks to society and our unwillingness to believe women. If we did, as a society, there would be justice for victims and I believe there would be less cases of false allegations. Except, we don't, so it's very hard for me to believe everyone knew and did nothing. I was willing to believe these allegations especially early on, perhaps it was just a corrupt few who were balancing this and they are going to fold or fall and the info would come pouring out but I have become very unimpressed with the info that has come out in support of those allegations. At least, so far. Still, I believe there's a possibility of some corruption sex/drug ring, but maybe not in the way these ladies have described. All the answers are absolutes and do not provide enough clarity for me to believe their statement alone to prove the judge did anything inappropriate. It's possible, I just need more.

 

[fsngruv]

It is a bit confounding for me as I accept their stories and those women as victims, because they are as well. If I believe them or not. I'm not sure how I feel about allegations made against the victim, the judge. One should not take away from the other. Especially when these allegations are pretty much unfounded at this point. I can't wrap my head around dragging the judge as a victim in the case through the mud without accepting these women as the victims they are, but what if we are just dragging the victim through the mud and these allegations are found to be completely untrue. I guess there might be harm in any case? I hope all these victims get justice. I think we all agree, no matter if there was a sex ring, or corruption, the judge did not deserve to be shot in could blood and I hope the fact he was doesn't bury what might've been going on.

 

[Chimera]

ohhhhhh. I see. The more we learn the more we learn. I am beginning to sway towards there was indeed some pretty deeply embedded long term corruption in this county and the judge was no saint.

Still think Mickey is rightly charged and hoping he is convicted of murder. IMO the described parties, SA, etc, none of it could have happened without Stines knowledge and cooperation/participation. JMO

I am still back and forth on whether Stines was in his right mind or crazy like a fox. Either way, that man knew what he was doing when he fired that final shot, the kill shot.

Pbm.
Agreed .
Esp. the bolded.
It wasn't Stine's right to act as jury and executioner --- or this would be happening everywhere, where people would be taking the laws into their own hands.

If Stines knew about all of this but it didn't affect his personal life, then why murder Mullins ?
Stines mentioning his wife and daughter does not mean it was true or that they needed protection from the judge, and that Mullins was the threat.
Or if so -- then why not expose Mullins in a court of law ?

Killing K.M. seems like Stines was silencing him for good ! (I.e., "Now he'll never 'talk' !")

Still think there was some sort of 'beef' going on between them which we still do not know about or even if there was any contention at all.
The judge's murder felt personal.
Omo.

 

[arielilane]

Haven't watched full video, but Brian Entin is in Letcher County, KY. Sounds intriguing to me.


This is where the sheriff shot and killed the judge right in the judge's chambers.
Brian says he is investigating what happened and there is
a lot more to the story. Allegations of a secret sex ring.
He is looking into all of it for this edition of Brian Investigates.

Brian got two interviews coming up from KY.

First with a woman who he spoke with who stated:
she had sex with the judge countless
times, the judge who was murdered, she
said she had sex with him countless
times to get out of crimes. She says
that is just the tip of the iceberg when
it comes to the corruption.

Second, a woman who worked in the jail as a guard who says
that there were sex parties going on in and around
the jail. And she goes into detail.

Judge's murder exposes secret sex ring in small Kentucky town -- Sheriff accused of killing Judge​

Kentucky Sheriff Shawn “Mickey” Stines is accused of killing Judge Kevin Mullins - and the murder could expose a secret sex ring locals say is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to corruption.One former guard told me the jail is a "brothel."




https://t.co/eAmlO5Mhgp

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957795083278749754

 

[fsngruv]

fsngruv said:
I mean, no offense towards these lovely ladies, but couldn't they find some more credible people to interview?
This is exactly how the perps want their victims to be perceived.
They are "just drug addicts... can't be trusted. I'm respected in law enforcement. Believe me, not them," and people do.
@fsngruv I am glad you were honest and said what you said. Because many people feel this way, and this is why they can get away with it for so long.
The feds need to come in and take over.
This is HUGE.

To be clear, I don't find them credible because of their statements only. Not by their looks or a perception they are drug addicts. I agree that may be a common misconception and it stops victims from being believed, but it's the rumors, inconsistent and vague statements that lack credibility not the appearance of the women making the statements.

 

[cenazoic]

I mean, no offense towards these lovely ladies, but couldn't they find some more credible people to interview?

I mean, Suffolk County (NY) agreed with this sentiment for a long time.

I don’t really see what killing Mullins gets Stines, if the sex ring story is true. Is it better to be a known as a murderer than a man who trades favors for sex? I wouldn’t think so, but of course that opinion is worth what you paid to read it.

It’s possible that the sex ring story could be true and also not really related to the murder.

 

[Kudzuu]

Kinda sounds like Mickey was running scared and snapped. All that stuff about him fearing his family would be kidnapped then him being scared of them taking him somewhere to kill him.

Mickey knew too much and was betrayed by the judge.

I'm not blaming the victim but just trying to be in his shoes.

This isn't the first rural Kentucky sex scandal. Back in the 80's they called them prostitution rings and the leader of said County resigned. Thank God at least now we are not blaming the women.

I'm starting to wonder if everyone is a victim.

Wonder if a gag order is needed? I'd say the jury in most of eastern Kentucky is already tainted.
All my humble opinion.

 

[anneoakley63]

I don't know if what they are saying is true, and withhold my decision on that until I hear more information. With that being said, it seems there was a lot more going on in the jail and judges chambers than most people knew about. Do I think the judge should have been shot and killed? No Do I think the Sheriff should be charged for his murder? Yes But I also think we need to listen to what these ladies have to say and take that into account as well. Especially since the librarian came forward.

If this did happen to these ladies, they are victims as well and shouldn't be blamed or shamed. Their life choices aren't justification for what they may have gone through. People with authority have been known to use that to their advantage in cases regarding SA.

@Tricia I completely agree with you....it's time to turn this over to the Feds and let them get this case figured out.

EBM

 

[CSIDreamer]

I mean, no offense towards these lovely ladies, but couldn't they find some more credible people to interview? Not just as in character. How much was the first woman hanging out at the court house? How did these parties/rendezvous take place? No call? No text? Email? Something. A lot of her statements seem very inconsistent, with the exceptions of her criminal admissions. Seven years in prison but you were having sex with a judge? So strange.

The one who was a deputy for about three months does come off as some what more credible, because she doesn't have as much of an axe to grind as the first, but still not terribly credible, namely the "I keep getting things mixed up".

Maybe they are right, everyone knows and these details will come out in court, but I have some doubts about their allegations. But I'm glad these women have found community with each other, if what they state is true then I hope it all comes out and they find their justice, otherwise, I hope they enjoyed the attention.

You gotta love Kentucky tho, wood paneling, goats, gawd, and mountain dews!

IMO, credible women are not normally trafficked.

 

[Frodosdojo]

It is a bit confounding for me as I accept their stories and those women as victims, because they are as well. If I believe them or not. I'm not sure how I feel about allegations made against the victim, the judge. One should not take away from the other. Especially when these allegations are pretty much unfounded at this point. I can't wrap my head around dragging the judge as a victim in the case through the mud without accepting these women as the victims they are, but what if we are just dragging the victim through the mud and these allegations are found to be completely untrue. I guess there might be harm in any case? I hope all these victims get justice. I think we all agree, no matter if there was a sex ring, or corruption, the judge did not deserve to be shot in could blood and I hope the fact he was doesn't bury what might've been going on.

One man has already been convicted of using the judge's office to abuse prisoners. You can't tell me in that teeny courthouse, the judge had no clue. I don't believe the sheriff didn't know either. I feel bad for the women who were abused because these men knew they could easily take advantage of them and they would appear to lack credibility because supposedly these men were the pinnacle of law enforcement. They were evil men using their power to abuse women they had control over.