KS KS - Lori Heimer 57, murdered in her Saline County home, 25 Jun 2016

[Razz]

Alright,
So, just stumbling upon this most interesting, and even though ridiculous, and extremely judgmental and completely ill informed blog. I feel a little clarification is needed.

1) a. You all find no information or knowledge of who Rigg Othinsraven (JJB) is, yet you call him " homicidal" and "Maniac"
b. The man hasn't been found guilty nor pled to any charges.
c. If the man was involved in any stabbing, are you sure there weren't any actions that could make said situation an act of "self-defense"?
d. What makes you sure he was seen around the area the night the murder occurred?
e. Did Rigg know the victim? Possible Motive?
f. How accurate is this information?

2)
a. I personally know that the incident on July first, 2016 ( not sure who stabbed who,) was a resukt of a long lasting beef between Joe Mullen 30, and Sheldon Freeman 25, where Joe claimed to be Sheldon's friend, but always talked about hurting him and was very disrespectful to Sheldon

b. Sheldon Freeman 25, Smolan Ks. has aggressively pressed someone to a point yrs ago to make the incident in july his second time being stabbed over actions and words.
C. There was no party . on Penn st. on July 1st. nor at Speanes in Gypsum on the 4th.
d. The man whos fingers were alleged to have been almost severed was a known intravenous drug fiend who showed up at a residence he was not permitted to be and at 1 am to boot.
e. Dominic Aita was not aressted with Rigg and was technically 2.8 miles from where Rigg was apprehended on K-4 highway.
f . Joe Mullen went to his hiuse to meet Mr. Freeman the night of the stabbiing to "take care of him " and "shut him up"
3) Last but not least
The night of the Assaria murder Rigg was in a town on the oposite Side of Salina, with no transportation and to much to travel in between.

I appreciate your input but you have nothing to back up your claims except....personal knowledge?

Heimer' s murder occurred in the afternoon on June 25th 2016, not the evening.

There are newspaper accounts from JJB' s trial. Even though he didn't kill the guy, he stabbed him effectively enough to have him
transferred to a Wichita, KS
hospital where he stayed for several months.

And those are nice pictures of JJB but there are also some not very nice pictures of him, too. Living to a different moral code than most of us is frightening.

Since it sounds like you are from the area, maybe you could go back to the beginning of this thread, read it, and help with figuring this murder out. Think for a moment about the horror of Lori Heimer's murder and the tragic consequences all around, for your area and the Heimer's as well.

Thank you.

Alright,
So, just stumbling upon this most interesting, and even though ridiculous, and extremely judgmental and completely ill informed blog. I feel a little clarification is needed.

1) a. You all find no information or knowledge of who Rigg Othinsraven (JJB) is, yet you call him " homicidal" and "Maniac"
b. The man hasn't been found guilty nor pled to any charges.
c. If the man was involved in any stabbing, are you sure there weren't any actions that could make said situation an act of "self-defense"?
d. What makes you sure he was seen around the area the night the murder occurred?
e. Did Rigg know the victim? Possible Motive?
f. How accurate is this information?

2)
a. I personally know that the incident on July first, 2016 ( not sure who stabbed who,) was a resukt of a long lasting beef between Joe Mullen 30, and Sheldon Freeman 25, where Joe claimed to be Sheldon's friend, but always talked about hurting him and was very disrespectful to Sheldon

b. Sheldon Freeman 25, Smolan Ks. has aggressively pressed someone to a point yrs ago to make the incident in july his second time being stabbed over actions and words.
C. There was no party . on Penn st. on July 1st. nor at Speanes in Gypsum on the 4th.
d. The man whos fingers were alleged to have been almost severed was a known intravenous drug fiend who showed up at a residence he was not permitted to be and at 1 am to boot.
e. Dominic Aita was not aressted with Rigg and was technically 2.8 miles from where Rigg was apprehended on K-4 highway.
f . Joe Mullen went to his hiuse to meet Mr. Freeman the night of the stabbiing to "take care of him " and "shut him up"
3) Last but not least
The night of the Assaria murder Rigg was in a town on the oposite Side of Salina, with no transportation and to much to travel in between.

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[SeesSeas]

I appreciate your input but you have nothing to back up your claims except....personal knowledge?

Heimer' s murder occurred in the afternoon on June 25th 2016, not the evening.

There are newspaper accounts from JJB' s trial. Even though he didn't kill the guy, he stabbed him effectively enough to have him transferred to a Wichita, KS hospital where he stayed for several months.

And those are nice pictures of JJB but there are also some not very nice pictures of him, too. Living to a different moral code than most of us is frightening.

Since it sounds like you are from the area, maybe you could go back to the beginning of this thread, read it, and help with figuring this murder out. Think for a moment about the horror of Lori Heimer's murder and the tragic consequences all around, for your area and the Heimer's as well.

Thank you.

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^^^BBM
Two points:

1) We don’t know that JJB “stabbed him effectively enough to have him transferred to a Wichita, KS hospital where he stayed for several months.”
JJB has not pled guilty nor has he been convicted. JJB could be innocent.

2) We don’t know whether Lori Heimer was murdered in the afternoon or early evening of June 25.
I didn’t search much, but found this news article has “evening”:
http://www.kwch.com/content/news/As...rities-asking-for-information--384756651.html
Friends, family and authorities are trying to figure out who left Lori Heimer's home Saturday evening after killing her.

 

[glf]

We are all entitled to our opinions, and if JJB is your friend, so be it. There are newspaper articles, as well as court testimony about the stabbings. If he is not guilty, I really don't believe he would still be in jail.

 

[SeesSeas]

We are all entitled to our opinions, and if JJB is your friend, so be it. There are newspaper articles, as well as court testimony about the stabbings. If he is not guilty, I really don't believe he would still be in jail.

There are lots of people in jail who are not guilty. Many of those cases are detailed by the INNOCENCE PROJECT:
http://www.innocenceproject.org/

Newspaper articles are not sworn testimony. And unfortunately, some witnesses lie during sworn testimony.

Hopefully there will soon be an arrest for Lori Heimer’s murder. But that person(s) is Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

 

[glf]

In case you haven't seen this... the Salina Journal covered a preliminary hearing for JJB that took place earlier this week. Here is their story that ran in this morning's Salina Journal...

A Salina man was bound over for trial Thursday on one count of attempted first-degree murder and two counts of aggravated battery after the judge heard testimony from a man he is accused of stabbing in the chest.

A trial was scheduled for John James "Rigg" Brown, 34, starting at 9 a.m. Jan. 31 in Saline County District Court. A hearing on pretrial motions, which his attorney indicated would include a challenge to a search warrant that allowed police to confiscate a samurai sword from Brown's house and other warrants, was scheduled for 9 a.m. Dec. 22. A final pretrial conference was set for 1:30 p.m. Jan. 23.

Brown is accused of attempting to murder Sheldon Freeman, and committing aggravated battery against Joseph Mullen and Joseph Fisher, who both had serious injuries to their hands caused by a sword or knife. Fisher testified Wednesday on the first day of Brown's preliminary hearing about an encounter July 1 in which Brown is alleged to have severed Fisher's little finger with the samurai sword. Fisher said he and Brown are both followers of an ancient Nordic pagan belief system in which swords are a valued symbol of manhood.

Freeman was the final witness to testify. He said he'd been working on his dirt bike in his shop in the early morning hours of July 3, when he texted Joseph Mullen, an acquaintance who had indicated he might have parts Freeman could use on his bike, to ask if it would be a good time for him to stop by.

Freeman said he'd had two or three beers throughout the course of the evening before arriving at Mullen's house. When he got there, a man he didn't know but later found out was Brown opened the door. Mullen, who was standing behind Brown, didn't introduce the two men, Freeman said.

Freeman said the three of them walked downstairs, and he began joking with Mullen. Freeman said he was "playfully arguing" that Mullen "didn't have the guts" to go out with him.

"Did you at some point begin taunting him about the fact that he wasn't man enough to come out and party with you?" asked attorney C. Richard Comfort, who represents Brown.

"That was part of it," Freeman said. Freeman said his remarks were "just horseplay" and he didn't intend for them to be taken seriously, but Mullen got defensive when Freeman used a curse word. Freeman said Brown, who had "kind of a crazy look on his face," was not involved in the conversation.

"Do you recall my client telling you words to the effect of 'If you say another word I'm going to make you bleed'?" Comfort asked.

Freeman said he didn't remember Brown saying anything. He said he noticed that Brown was holding a knife behind his back and he asked Brown if he was going to stab him with it and then turned back to Mullen. He said Brown immediately did step toward him and swing the knife upward, stabbing him in the right side of his chest.

"I remember looking down and seeing the handle of the knife against my chest for just a moment," he said.

Comfort asked Freeman to rate his level of aggressiveness before the incident, with one being "not angry at all" and 10 being "livid." Freeman placed himself at "maybe a two."

"I wasn't angry with Joe," he said. "I thought we were joking around, and I didn't think he'd take it serious. I didn't think he was mad."

Amy Norton, an assistant county attorney, asked Freeman if he remembered Mullen reaching his arm out to stop Brown from stabbing Freeman. He said he remembered Mullen moving his hand and he remembered Mullen "freaking out." As Mullen and his girlfriend drove him to the hospital, he remembered hearing Mullen say that his hand had been cut.

"I was in shock," Freeman said. He said he remembered being covered in blood as Christina Murphy drove him to the hospital, but he didn't remember anything after arriving at Salina Regional Health Center until he woke up in Via Christi Hospital in Wichita. He said he spent two and a half weeks, one week of which was in intensive care, at the Wichita hospital.

Freeman said he lost half of his liver, his lung collapsed, and he required 15 units of blood because he lost all of the blood in his body twice.

JJBNOT...
This is a very informative article concerning JJB and the two people who were stabbed. I guess we will have to wait until 1/31/17 and hear what the court system decides...

 

[Razz]

Since I'm the one who suggested JJB as a homicidal
maniac, I take full responsibility. So allow me to rephrase it. I had suggested that whoever killed LH was extremely lucky that within 4 to 7 days, a young man (JJB) was arrested (by a SWAT team with the aid of a helicopter) and booked into the Saline County jail under all sorts of charges including Capital Murder. With all that, I feel that police and others may have thought they had their "man" for a variety of charges with a lot of good reasons. And while investigating JJB for LH' s murder, police
may have taken their eyes off LH's true murderer(s).
(Even though to me, it seemed reasonable to look at JJB for the murder of LH. )

The news reports of JJB's trial (having nothing to do with LH' s murder) clearly (to me anyway) look bad for him. He's been accused of hacking off a finger of a "friend" and later stabbing 2 people and almost killing one of them while at the home of the Mullins.

Police have said in the meantime that they have moved away from thinking JJB a suspect in LH' s murder. So, in that case, I have filed JJB and his friends under my own file of "interesting coincidences and nothing more (at this time) concerning LH' s murder, and have moved on. For now.



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[glf]

And I agree pretty much with you, Razz. But, going back and re-reading about JJB's hearing, and upcoming trial, I have no reason to believe SCSD, or the two people who were stabbed, are all lying, and ganging up against JJB. (Not saying you, Razz, felt they were, just stating that because I believe (still), he is guilty of the chgs against him). He would not be bound over for trial if SC courts didn't have the evidence necessary to proceed.
Plus, he has some really serious chgs hanging over his head R/T the NCIC hit. And we have no info on where those chgs stem from.
I, for one will NEVER jump on the JJB is not guilty bandwagon. I don't believe that for a second, regardless of whether or not he is involved in Lori's death.

 

[Razz]

And I agree pretty much with you, Razz. But, going back and re-reading about JJB's hearing, and upcoming trial, I have no reason to believe SCSD, or the two people who were stabbed, are all lying, and ganging up against JJB. (Not saying you, Razz, felt they were, just stating that because I believe (still), he is guilty of the chgs against him). He would not be bound over for trial if SC courts didn't have the evidence necessary to proceed.
Plus, he has some really serious chgs hanging over his head R/T the NCIC hit. And we have no info on where those chgs stem from.
I, for one will NEVER jump on the JJB is not guilty bandwagon. I don't believe that for a second, regardless of whether or not he is involved in Lori's death.

Not to worry. We are on the same page.



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[Razz]

Back to those trucks that were seen in the neighborhood of LH' s home. (And please, keep in mind that all trucks are considered innocent until proven guilty. ) 😉

If those trucks were driven by locals and the trucks themselves were local, and they were somehow involved in LH' s murder, would a GPS or directions to LH' s be necessary?

But, if the trucks and or drivers are not from the area, certainly they had to either have a GPS or printed directions.....

So my question is this: since Google seems to know everything about everybody, would there be a way to check Google maps for anyone asking for directions to LH's house before or on the 25th of June? This may sound far fetched but stranger things have happened.

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[terry67401]

Well, there have certainly been some interesting posts since the last time I checked this thread.

As far as JJB is concerned, he has been in custody long enough that if there had been anything at all tying him to LH's murder, he would have most certainly been charged by now and an announcement of those charges would have surely been made.

JJBNOTGuilty86DJ, with as much info as you have given in your post, I am wondering if you have been subpoenaed to testify in JJB's trial? That's an awful lot of knowledge and information, if true, that JJB's defense attorney should perhaps be made aware of. I have stated within this thread many times that I do not believe that JJB is a suspect in this case.

In my opinion, this case does not appear to by the type to be perpetrated by someone living in or close to the area. A major north-south interstate (I-135) is just 15 minutes from LH's home and an even more major east-west interstate (I-70) is just 20 minutes from the crime scene. I do not believe that anyone that committed such a violent murder would have stayed in or close to the area. Typically, a murderer does not stay close to the location of their crime, with the obvious exception of some well publicized serial killers. One example that illustrates my point is the case of Alan White, who is currently in prison for a triple homicide he committed in a Salina home in the mid-1990's. After being identified as a suspect in the case, he was profiled on America's Most Wanted and later arrested in Boston, Massachusetts. He committed his crime and traveled far from the area. This possibility in LH's case cannot be ignored.

I think perhaps there maybe a lot more to LE asking for help from the KC Metro Area media than what has been made public. My feeling is that they must have initially had a strong lead to pursue media attention from that area.

I think the key to solving this case is going to come from outside the box. I highly doubt, nearly six months later, that a suspect is gong to be found by scouring through arrestees everyday on the SCSO website or by focusing on someone that is currently in jail for an unrelated crime that occurred close in time to LH's murder.

The investigation into this case is troubled by a lack of motive. It just doesn't make sense for anyone to commit such a violent act over LH's dog business, especially when LE has not been able to determine if any dogs are actually missing. I was told that there were so many dogs on the premises, that it was nearly impossible to tell if any were actually missing. So, if no dogs were taken, what could the motive for this crime possibly be?

There are so many unanswered questions and mysteries surrounding this case:

- Why would anyone want LH dead?

- Why would anyone resort to murdering her so brutally?

- Was this a random act by someone that simply passed through the area?

- Was it perpetrated by someone that targeted LH using the dog breeding business to get to her?

- Were either of the PU's actually involved in the crime or not? Where are these trucks now?

- Where did the suspect flee to after committing the crime? Clearly, from as brutal as this crime is said to have been, the killer or killers would have to of most likely left the scene with physical evidence on his person.

- Did the suspect dispose of clothing or other evidence after leaving the scene? If so, where?

- Has a murder weapon been identified and/or recovered or was that disposed of by the perpetrator?

I could go on and on.

So many things unanswered in this case that may only be answered if/when an arrest is made and a suspect goes to trial.

I think it's time to get this discussion away from JJB and think outside the box. It's the only way, I believe, that LH's killer will ever be brought to justice.


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[glf]

You do have some really good points and questions. I was told in confidence what type of weapon was most likely used. And, I would think not many people would have one. So, that leads me to believe that this info could be put into the database to see if there are people in the database who have used this type of weapon in crimes R/T other brutal murders, whether they occurred in Kansas or some other place, say during the past 10 years or so. I'm certain you remember when BTK seemed to have stopped his murderous rampage in the mid to latter part of the 80's, and then commit one more murder in 1991. Then, they seemed to stop altogether. After a few years, things went cold, and people kind of put thoughts of the murders on the shelf.
Unfortunately, that is what could happen here. If they cannot tie Lori's murder with anybody in the database, even with all the physical evidence left behind, then this could have been the only serious crime he has ever committed. Or, no DNA evidence can be matched up because this person never had a sample taken. Or, the last crime he committed happened before DNA collecting began.
May be that her killer could have never been caught for any crimes done in the past. Or, maybe we have a much younger person that is guilty of this crime, and this is only the beginning of his reign of terror.
I have always thought the killers could have either driven to a distant state to sell those PU's, whether they were sold to an individual, or a scrap yard. I have serious doubts that this murder would have made the daily news on Idaho broadcasts.
Since we have no idea what direction the killers left in, police may be at a loss as to where bloody clothing might be discarded. Clothing could have been discarded at a rest area, or in a dumpster behind a business or shopping center. If they had been in a dark colored trash bag, I don't know about other people, but I probably wouldn't notice a bag that was different color or style than what the business used. Unless it was giving off a strong odor, could have been overlooked.
Any chance KBI will be releasing a profile? That could be very helpful. Just takes one tip sometimes to pull everything together.

 

[terry67401]

You do have some really good points and questions. I was told in confidence what type of weapon was most likely used. And, I would think not many people would have one. So, that leads me to believe that this info could be put into the database to see if there are people in the database who have used this type of weapon in crimes R/T other brutal murders, whether they occurred in Kansas or some other place, say during the past 10 years or so. I'm certain you remember when BTK seemed to have stopped his murderous rampage in the mid to latter part of the 80's, and then commit one more murder in 1991. Then, they seemed to stop altogether. After a few years, things went cold, and people kind of put thoughts of the murders on the shelf.
Unfortunately, that is what could happen here. If they cannot tie Lori's murder with anybody in the database, even with all the physical evidence left behind, then this could have been the only serious crime he has ever committed. Or, no DNA evidence can be matched up because this person never had a sample taken. Or, the last crime he committed happened before DNA collecting began.
May be that her killer could have never been caught for any crimes done in the past. Or, maybe we have a much younger person that is guilty of this crime, and this is only the beginning of his reign of terror.
I have always thought the killers could have either driven to a distant state to sell those PU's, whether they were sold to an individual, or a scrap yard. I have serious doubts that this murder would have made the daily news on Idaho broadcasts.
Since we have no idea what direction the killers left in, police may be at a loss as to where bloody clothing might be discarded. Clothing could have been discarded at a rest area, or in a dumpster behind a business or shopping center. If they had been in a dark colored trash bag, I don't know about other people, but I probably wouldn't notice a bag that was different color or style than what the business used. Unless it was giving off a strong odor, could have been overlooked.
Any chance KBI will be releasing a profile? That could be very helpful. Just takes one tip sometimes to pull everything together.

All excellent points, glf.

It would be nice if they release a profile. Certainly couldn't hurt at this point. They need all the help they can get at this point as far as I'm concerned.

The points I have made and the points you have made certainly need to be taken into consideration and the questions remain need to be answered.

I remember BTK quite well. I've read a few books on the subject. My hope is that LH's go cold like those cases did. I would think at this point that $36,000 would be generating a lot more tips and leads in this case and will hopefully lead to a resolution and an arrest.


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[Razz]

Alright,
So, just stumbling upon this most interesting, and even though ridiculous, and extremely judgmental and completely ill informed blog. I feel a little clarification is needed.

1) a. You all find no information or knowledge of who Rigg Othinsraven (JJB) is, yet you call him " homicidal" and "Maniac"
b. The man hasn't been found guilty nor pled to any charges.
c. If the man was involved in any stabbing, are you sure there weren't any actions that could make said situation an act of "self-defense"?
d. What makes you sure he was seen around the area the night the murder occurred?
e. Did Rigg know the victim? Possible Motive?
f. How accurate is this information?

2)
a. I personally know that the incident on July first, 2016 ( not sure who stabbed who,) was a resukt of a long lasting beef between Joe Mullen 30, and Sheldon Freeman 25, where Joe claimed to be Sheldon's friend, but always talked about hurting him and was very disrespectful to Sheldon

b. Sheldon Freeman 25, Smolan Ks. has aggressively pressed someone to a point yrs ago to make the incident in july his second time being stabbed over actions and words.
C. There was no party . on Penn st. on July 1st. nor at Speanes in Gypsum on the 4th.
d. The man whos fingers were alleged to have been almost severed was a known intravenous drug fiend who showed up at a residence he was not permitted to be and at 1 am to boot.
e. Dominic Aita was not aressted with Rigg and was technically 2.8 miles from where Rigg was apprehended on K-4 highway.
f . Joe Mullen went to his hiuse to meet Mr. Freeman the night of the stabbiing to "take care of him " and "shut him up"
3) Last but not least
The night of the Assaria murder Rigg was in a town on the oposite Side of Salina, with no transportation and to much to travel in between.

In rereading your post, some clarification is needed.

You appear to throw everyone under the bus except for JJB and SF.
Which is strange as JJB is currently sitting in jail for the Attempted Murder of Sheldon.

Also, are you upset with Mullins as it appears from the trial, JJB was staying at Mullins house "laying low" and away from any trouble?

Also, who was mad at who? Was it Mullins who wanted to hurt SF or SF wanting to hurt Mullins.

This is the 1st time I've heard that JJB was captured on K-4. Could you be more specific on that location.

And why were DA and Spears arrested for attempting to aid JJB' s
escape?

The "party" on Penn St. was in the paper and not something that was made up here. The paper also said both men were treated at the hospital that night and released. And according to testimony in JJB's trial, SF was fairly close to death that evening. So I'm willing to believe the paper got a "few" things skewed.

And I am unaware of any 4th of July party at Spears (?) place in Gypsum.
Where did you hear that?

Are you JJB' s alibi for the day or the evening of LH' s murder on the 25th?

Do you know more about LH' s murder than you are saying? Sounds as though JJB had some.....unsavory
"friends". (And I am in no way accusing you or anyone else of anything! But you appear to know a great deal about what happened prior to and during the week of the 4th.)

And as I've stated above, whoever murdered LH got mighty lucky that all the "shenanigans" created by JJB and friends and or foes that week
of her murder, took the spotlight off the "true" murderer(s).

And unfortunately, not much could be found on social media or anywhere else for that matter that was positive about JJB.

So I'm all ears and would love to hear the "real truth".

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[glf]

No arrests pertaining to Lori today, but Crime Stoppers has a pic and nice little article to refresh everybody's memory.

 

[Flatbush]

Back to those trucks that were seen in the neighborhood of LH' s home. (And please, keep in mind that all trucks are considered innocent until proven guilty. ) 

If those trucks were driven by locals and the trucks themselves were local, and they were somehow involved in LH' s murder, would a GPS or directions to LH' s be necessary?

But, if the trucks and or drivers are not from the area, certainly they had to either have a GPS or printed directions.....

So my question is this: since Google seems to know everything about everybody, would there be a way to check Google maps for anyone asking for directions to LH's house before or on the 25th of June? This may sound far fetched but stranger things have happened.

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The comment "trucks innocent until proven guilty" made me laugh, I needed that!

I will interject a thought, if I may.
As with the Rhoden murders, I was basically told that yes LE can bring one in for questioning, no foul. Or is it fowl? Hmm. ANYWAY.
Maybe Kansas is holding someone on other charges? Maybe they don't have enough to charge them with murder trying to glean evidence?
This case, to me should have been so cut and dry. Broad daylight. Certainly no evidence found from family, or they would have it. Surely any DNA evidence would be back by now?
I guess we all need to install cameras everywhere, wear one too.
It's a good thing I don't ��drink. These cases would have me plastered, but my cold would be gone maybe.

 

[Razz]

The comment "trucks innocent until proven guilty" made me laugh, I needed that!

I will interject a thought, if I may.
As with the Rhoden murders, I was basically told that yes LE can bring one in for questioning, no foul. Or is it fowl? Hmm. ANYWAY.
Maybe Kansas is holding someone on other charges? Maybe they don't have enough to charge them with murder trying to glean evidence?
This case, to me should have been so cut and dry. Broad daylight. Certainly no evidence found from family, or they would have it. Surely any DNA evidence would be back by now?
I guess we all need to install cameras everywhere, wear one too.
It's a good thing I don't ��drink. These cases would have me plastered, but my cold would be gone maybe.

Are you taking cold medicine perhaps?!

I agree. This should have been a slam dunk.

Certainly LH kept meticulous records. I bet she even had names for each of those puppies. So how is it they don't know if any of the puppies were taken?! But I doubt any were taken.

Also, her telephone. Did the murderer(s) perhaps take her phone with them to hide evidence and the phone pinged all the way to KC? Certainly that phone holds a treasure trove of clues.

Who told her they were coming to see a dog? How else would they do that if not by phone? Unless she saw them somewhere and they said, "We'd / l'd like to come see your dogs. How about June 25th in the afternoon?" Could it have been someone from Salina she met while at a store? But wouldn't you take their name and put it in an appt. book? Or on your phone?

Could this be about the $s she probably had stashed somewhere?
She was an easy mark. Husband gone, no one around. Someone looking to score easy money fast with a big weekend coming up?!





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[glf]

I wondered about stashed money many pages back. She's getting approx $900.00 to $1500.00 per puppy, depending on the exact breed. She sells a puppy on the weekend, she would likely have the cash on hand until Mon. And she stated cash for pups.
I also believe she kept her records in order and up to date, especially for tax purposes.
There has never been anything said about her phone. I, too, think that alone could hold a lot of info. And, if she also had a home phone, info could be obtained from the company.
If killers wanted money, she seemed to be an easy target. But why, a brutal murder? What on earth could be gained from that? If they wanted money, why not tie her up and ransack the house? Force a couple of tranquilizers down her so they would have a two or three hour jump on LE? She was a busy person. She didn't have time to spend most of the day gossiping and spreading rumors with anybody who would listen, stirring up commotion wherever she could. She was a Christian, and had no desire or reason to do that in the first place! We have so many unanswered questions...but, at the same time, I can't believe a couple of unsavory people got out of bed that day and said "I think we should kill somebody today"!

 

[Razz]

I wondered about stashed money many pages back. She's getting approx $900.00 to $1500.00 per puppy, depending on the exact breed. She sells a puppy on the weekend, she would likely have the cash on hand until Mon. And she stated cash for pups.
I also believe she kept her records in order and up to date, especially for tax purposes.
There has never been anything said about her phone. I, too, think that alone could hold a lot of info. And, if she also had a home phone, info could be obtained from the company.
If killers wanted money, she seemed to be an easy target. But why, a brutal murder? What on earth could be gained from that? If they wanted money, why not tie her up and ransack the house? Force a couple of tranquilizers down her so they would have a two or three hour jump on LE? She was a busy person. She didn't have time to spend most of the day gossiping and spreading rumors with anybody who would listen, stirring up commotion wherever she could. She was a Christian, and had no desire or reason to do that in the first place! We have so many unanswered questions...but, at the same time, I can't believe a couple of unsavory people got out of bed that day and said "I think we should kill somebody today"!

Well, maybe she wasn't the easy mark they'd hoped for. I'll bet once she got wind of what was happening, she fought like a tiger.
May be she proved tougher than he/they originally thought and the only way to silence her was to keep her quiet. I don't think she went quietly or easily.

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Sorry if this sounds morbid but it would help to know how and exactly where she was killed. Did she put up a fight?
Was there DNA of the killer(s)
skin under her fingernails? Would she have left some scratches and/or bruises on her attacker(s)?

Did it appear she was robbed of money?

Could it have been someone she knew, thus letting them inside and not suspecting anything was wrong?

There's all sorts of things you can do with DNA these days.

I am hoping everyone was swabbed...neighbors, friends, family, in laws, the boys who caused such a ruckus the following week....

He/she/they are out there. I truly feel it's only a matter of time. And as Flatbush said, maybe it's someone who is currently incarcerated somewhere else for crimes not related.

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No news in Salina Post the last few days.