Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #19 *Arrest*

[flute4peace]

One of the stages of grief is denial. Denial can actually repeat itself throughout the grief process. Jonathan may be in denial one minute and then the next he may come closer to the truth and then jump right back in to denial. I get and understand the stages of grief. The stages of grief are the same no matter what situation you go through. I have went through my own grief for the last 10 years. Losing a husband to deportation, daughter getting cancer and finding out on top of that that I'm the one who passed a genetic mutation on to her, divorce. I did wallow in my grief shortly. But I made myself snap out of it because my kids needed me. Once I was able to put my mind to it I was able to get my crap together and do what I had to do. Then I was able to grieve in silence without the chaos. Point being, Jonathan needs to get his crap together. This is about Lucas and Lucas deserved better. He will have a whole lifetime to grieve if that is what he chooses but now he needs to do the right thing by Lucas.

While I completely respect and agree with what you're saying here, the thing that gives me pause in this case is that his denial is not a new thing. He's been denying the abuse long before L went missing. Not saying he isn't in denial of her being responsible for L's loss.

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[SecretGarden]

Someone asked about her inner circle, I don’t think her cousin would’ve given an interview if she wasn’t in her inner circle.

“On Saturday night, Kristin Edson, the cousin of Lucas’s step-mom, told KWCH that the boy’s parents are devastated.
“Very distraught. Very upset. Devastated. I mean, can you imagine? They’re just very distraught and worried about his safety. It’s cold out. We don’t know where he’s at,” Edson said. “All I know is that they took a nap around three-ish and she woke up with the baby around 6 to check on Lucas to see if he was in his room. She searched. The back door was open, and she called 911.”‘
https://www.google.com/amp/fox4kc.c...r-old-wichita-boy-missing-since-saturday/amp/

I’m not saying she’s connected, but she’s close in relation to relay details to the press early on and to speak on behalf of their behavior. She was clearly talking to EG. I think anyone talking to EG prior to her arrest will be the key to breaking the case open.

Gosh I hoped I’m not flagged for that statement, and in no way do I advocate sleuthing her cousin. It’s just evident that she’s been in close contact in regards to her press statement, and I’m sure LE has done their job.

My biggest doubt about her having help is that very few ppl would knowingly help her cover up. It leaves me to think of 3 types of situations

1. A VERY close knit relationship. Not a side boy, drug dealer.. they have zero investment in getting into massive trouble. It would to be someone who does it conscientiously— thinking it’s the “right” and “good” thing to help EG out. Like a husband or sibling. I 100% rule out JH.
2. Someone who was already in the house when it unfolded that Lucas was seriously injured (immediate abuse seems most likely, OR maybe his health was in the process of degrading due to prior abuse and he never woke up?) in that situation, a person may be more willing to assist a coverup because things happened so quickly in front of them and they’re already an accomplice so they go along. This could be a side boy or friend.
3. An unknowing friend

While 2 & 3 are possible, I think Lucas would’ve been found by now if that were the case (especially #3). But I also think that even if #1 were the case, he’d be found by now as well, because LE has likely combed alibis of all close friends and family. And somebody would eventually talk.

Since he hasn’t been found I’m left to think she acted alone. But that would be sloppy. I keep thinking dumpster

Ugh. So sorry sweet baby, there will be an end to this.

 

[chihuahua]

Just been having one additional thought not meant to de-rail the current discussion here.
I guess the only possible "hope" concerning someone else helping after the fact would be if poor Lucas was trafficked.
And that is just too sad to consider.
It doesn't seem likely, but at this point, I'm grasping at straws with hope he is alive.
Back to reading old links for awhile,
We love you Lucas:sigh:

 

[chihuahua]

I had an unexpected and exciting opportunity to meet Gov Colyer somewhat recently. He gave a few remarks and then took some questions. I was planning to ask about the boys/DCF but the conversation was going in a different direction, so I visited with his media guy instead. As soon as I brought up the boys' names he was already answering me. He said that Gov Colyer is very much aware of and concerned about the current state of DCS. It is one of his high priorities. They are already working on evaluating the different "pieces" and plan to do as much of a re-vamp as possible. Apparently the lady in charge at the state level is very pro-active and aggressive. I was VERY encouraged!

(Of course these are politicians so...ya never know. But both the Governor and media guy came across as very sincere)

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Awesome news!!!! Thanks for sharing. That's a glimmer of much-needed "sunshine" today.:tyou:

 

[newmember]

if EG had help after the fact, do we think this was in the late hours of Friday night & she would call/go to someone in a panic immediately or do we think she would allow herself until Sat afternoon to report him missing so she could collect herself, create a plan (which may include a cover story/some lies to her helper). then, once this person gave her confirmation (knowingly or unknowingly) it was complete, she called LE.

 

[Deleted member 221026]

Welcome SecretGarden! So happy you're here.

 

[Kuyluc2764]

While I completely respect and agree with what you're saying here, the thing that gives me pause in this case is that his denial is not a new thing. He's been denying the abuse long before L went missing. Not saying he isn't in denial of her being responsible for L's loss.

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Oh I agree with you. His denial brought harm to Lucas. His denial is still doing nothing good for Lucas. That's why I said he needs to get his head out of his .

 

[flute4peace]

Someone asked about her inner circle, I don’t think her cousin would’ve given an interview if she wasn’t in her inner circle.

“On Saturday night, Kristin Edson, the cousin of Lucas’s step-mom, told KWCH that the boy’s parents are devastated.
“Very distraught. Very upset. Devastated. I mean, can you imagine? They’re just very distraught and worried about his safety. It’s cold out. We don’t know where he’s at,” Edson said. “All I know is that they took a nap around three-ish and she woke up with the baby around 6 to check on Lucas to see if he was in his room. She searched. The back door was open, and she called 911.”‘
https://www.google.com/amp/fox4kc.c...r-old-wichita-boy-missing-since-saturday/amp/

I’m not saying she’s connected, but she’s close in relation to relay details to the press early on and to speak on behalf of their behavior. She was clearly talking to EG. I think anyone talking to EG prior to her arrest will be the key to breaking the case open.

Gosh I hoped I’m not flagged for that statement, and in no way do I advocate sleuthing her cousin. It’s just evident that she’s been in close contact in regards to her press statement, and I’m sure LE has done their job.

My biggest doubt about her having help is that very few ppl would knowingly help her cover up. It leaves me to think of 3 types of situations

1. A VERY close knit relationship. Not a side boy, drug dealer.. they have zero investment in getting into massive trouble. It would to be someone who does it conscientiously— thinking it’s the “right” and “good” thing to help EG out. Like a husband or sibling. I 100% rule out JH.
2. Someone who was already in the house when it unfolded that Lucas was seriously injured (immediate abuse seems most likely, OR maybe his health was in the process of degrading due to prior abuse and he never woke up?) in that situation, a person may be more willing to assist a coverup because things happened so quickly in front of them and they’re already an accomplice so they go along. This could be a side boy or friend.
3. An unknowing friend

While 2 & 3 are possible, I think Lucas would’ve been found by now if that were the case (especially #3). But I also think that even if #1 were the case, he’d be found by now as well, because LE has likely combed alibis of all close friends and family. And somebody would eventually talk.

Since he hasn’t been found I’m left to think she acted alone. But that would be sloppy. I keep thinking dumpster

Ugh. So sorry sweet baby, there will be an end to this.

Your #2 is my heaviest theory at the moment. I think the OG trip was a date that ended up back at the house with her (I can't quite buy the no other DNA in the house thing, just from a practical standpoint). I think it was in-the-moment and a direct result of abuse, whether internal injuries or new abuse that evening. I think the disposal was a drug-fueled panic situation and he was put into a dumpster, then on to the landfill within a couple days of the missing report. There is nearly 24 hours from proof of life (LL) to missing report, which is a pretty significant head start.

Does anyone know if the cousin has spoken to MSM since her initial statement? She seemed sincere at that time.

All MOO

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[AFTM]

Oh I agree with you. His denial brought harm to Lucas. His denial is still doing nothing good for Lucas. That's why I said he needs to get his head out of his .

Thousands are saying this on social media...and in my state.

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[Charliegizmo49]

thousands are saying this on social media...and in my state.

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strongly agree

 

[hopingicanhelp]

Your #2 is my heaviest theory at the moment. I think the OG trip was a date that ended up back at the house with her (I can't quite buy the no other DNA in the house thing, just from a practical standpoint). I think it was in-the-moment and a direct result of abuse, whether internal injuries or new abuse that evening. I think the disposal was a drug-fueled panic situation and he was put into a dumpster, then on to the landfill within a couple days of the missing report. There is nearly 24 hours from proof of life (LL) to missing report, which is a pretty significant head start.

Does anyone know if the cousin has spoken to MSM since her initial statement? She seemed sincere at that time.

All MOO

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I believe she ate at OG--per the affidavit, EG claimed she was there approx. 1 hour and location of cell phone calls support that it was at least pretty close to 45 min-1 hour -- at least. What we don't know is what happened after that latest phone call. We know the LL saw Lucas around 5:30 and her second phone call was at 5:43 -- we don't know what time she even got home. Did she come straight home?? Perhaps her plans took her elsewhere and Lucas was alone much longer? That could explain absence of "stranger" DNA in the home -- especially if she got Lucas out of the house and into the garage or yard and contained in something for someone else to pick up?

As for the cousin, the thing that really makes me doubt her involvement is that she told reporters she was calling for Lucas and telling him that "he's not in trouble." In my mind, if she thought EG was an abuser or that abuse contributed to his death, she'd be a lot more careful to avoid saying things that indicate he is fearful enough to hide when in trouble.

 

[Amonet]

Someone asked about her inner circle, I don’t think her cousin would’ve given an interview if she wasn’t in her inner circle.

“On Saturday night, Kristin Edson, the cousin of Lucas’s step-mom, told KWCH that the boy’s parents are devastated.
“Very distraught. Very upset. Devastated. I mean, can you imagine? They’re just very distraught and worried about his safety. It’s cold out. We don’t know where he’s at,” Edson said. “All I know is that they took a nap around three-ish and she woke up with the baby around 6 to check on Lucas to see if he was in his room. She searched. The back door was open, and she called 911.”‘
https://www.google.com/amp/fox4kc.c...r-old-wichita-boy-missing-since-saturday/amp/

I’m not saying she’s connected, but she’s close in relation to relay details to the press early on and to speak on behalf of their behavior. She was clearly talking to EG. I think anyone talking to EG prior to her arrest will be the key to breaking the case open.

Gosh I hoped I’m not flagged for that statement, and in no way do I advocate sleuthing her cousin. It’s just evident that she’s been in close contact in regards to her press statement, and I’m sure LE has done their job.

My biggest doubt about her having help is that very few ppl would knowingly help her cover up. It leaves me to think of 3 types of situations

1. A VERY close knit relationship. Not a side boy, drug dealer.. they have zero investment in getting into massive trouble. It would to be someone who does it conscientiously— thinking it’s the “right” and “good” thing to help EG out. Like a husband or sibling. I 100% rule out JH.
2. Someone who was already in the house when it unfolded that Lucas was seriously injured (immediate abuse seems most likely, OR maybe his health was in the process of degrading due to prior abuse and he never woke up?) in that situation, a person may be more willing to assist a coverup because things happened so quickly in front of them and they’re already an accomplice so they go along. This could be a side boy or friend.
3. An unknowing friend

While 2 & 3 are possible, I think Lucas would’ve been found by now if that were the case (especially #3). But I also think that even if #1 were the case, he’d be found by now as well, because LE has likely combed alibis of all close friends and family. And somebody would eventually talk.

Since he hasn’t been found I’m left to think she acted alone. But that would be sloppy. I keep thinking dumpster

Ugh. So sorry sweet baby, there will be an end to this.

About the only thing I have to say about this is that KE did an interview with media when Lucas was reported missing. I think it's safe-ish to think that EG called her in a panic to say something has happened, please come over to support me.

I think KE was used, just like the neighbor was used. The neighbor was used as someone who could verify that EG ran around looking for Lucas and asking if they've seen him or if he's come over to play. KE, I think, maybe used to assist with conveying EG's concern, and maybe KE's attitude toward EG helps to convey a particular image to LE of EG being a victim who needs protection and care. KE goes out to speak to the media, she's able to use totally innocent language, and EG would possibly be hoping that the words and impression conveyed by the innocent KE will transfer to an extent to EG. Maybe it takes some of the effort away from EG to have KE there so that all EG has to do is sit and act upset (and it's not wholly an act) and KE can put her arm around EG, and in comforting EG she's saying that EG needs comfort, KE can say, "look she's upset, go easy on her, she's scared for Lucas, she's worried about him!" all without EG having to say these things herself.

 

[Jewels53]

I had an unexpected and exciting opportunity to meet Gov Colyer somewhat recently. He gave a few remarks and then took some questions. I was planning to ask about the boys/DCF but the conversation was going in a different direction, so I visited with his media guy instead. As soon as I brought up the boys' names he was already answering me. He said that Gov Colyer is very much aware of and concerned about the current state of DCS. It is one of his high priorities. They are already working on evaluating the different "pieces" and plan to do as much of a re-vamp as possible. Apparently the lady in charge at the state level is very pro-active and aggressive. I was VERY encouraged!

(Of course these are politicians so...ya never know. But both the Governor and media guy came across as very sincere)

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I hope they are sincere in their words. It would be great if they work hard to improve our Child welfare program as it needs a total overhaul. Since Adrian Jones and Evan Brews case and I am sure there are many more Kansas system stinks really bad. I think our new Governor means business in everything he is trying to do. I am encouraged by this new DCF secretary. jmo of course

 

[Paddleboarder]

Just been having one additional thought not meant to de-rail the current discussion here.
I guess the only possible "hope" concerning someone else helping after the fact would be if poor Lucas was trafficked.
And that is just too sad to consider.
It doesn't seem likely, but at this point, I'm grasping at straws with hope he is alive.
Back to reading old links for awhile,
We love you Lucas:sigh:

I honestly think that’s very unlikely.

 

[Paddleboarder]

I believe she ate at OG--per the affidavit, EG claimed she was there approx. 1 hour and location of cell phone calls support that it was at least pretty close to 45 min-1 hour -- at least. What we don't know is what happened after that latest phone call. We know the LL saw Lucas around 5:30 and her second phone call was at 5:43 -- we don't know what time she even got home. Did she come straight home?? Perhaps her plans took her elsewhere and Lucas was alone much longer? That could explain absence of "stranger" DNA in the home -- especially if she got Lucas out of the house and into the garage or yard and contained in something for someone else to pick up?

As for the cousin, the thing that really makes me doubt her involvement is that she told reporters she was calling for Lucas and telling him that "he's not in trouble." In my mind, if she thought EG was an abuser or that abuse contributed to his death, she'd be a lot more careful to avoid saying things that indicate he is fearful enough to hide when in trouble.

Was it stated somewhere that there was no DNA in the house besides JH, EG, LH and MH?

 

[flute4peace]

Was it stated somewhere that there was no DNA in the house besides JH, EG, LH and MH?

I'm remembering so but could be a needle in a haystack to find it. Do you think i should ask a mod to delete that part of my post?

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[ZoriahNZ]

Since I am outside of the US, I can't check this myself. For some reason I can never get any of the Wichita Gov site stuff to load, but the word is out that the Child Endangerment charges for EG have been upgraded to a Felony. Can anyone confirm this?

If anyone has a link to where to check this that's friendly to non-US peeps, I'd appreciate it.

 

[Jewels53]

After reading up on Aliayah Lunsford case and then LL trial this last week. I am not encouraged about EG ever telling us where Lucas is at.

Aliayah went missing in 2011 and according to her 9 and 11 yr old daughters LL there mother hit Aliayah over the head with a board and she died over night. LL took her with her daughters to a remote road and dumped her. The daughters testified last week to what they saw along with other investigative evidence and LL was found guilty. Aliayah body has never been found and probably won't be found. This was 7 years ago.

I know some of you compare this to Casey A., but I blame that on the Prosecution. Aliayah case only needed the 2 daughters to come forward with their witness statements. I think it took them until 2016 to get the courage to speak up. Then all of the evidence LE put it all together to get the conviction.

Sorry for the long winded story.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...h-Lunsford-3-Lewis-Co-24-Sep-2011-14-*GUILTY*

“Not all cases are solved by confessions or by evidence analyzed by the lab. Cases like this one are solved by good, persistent police work,” Flanigan said. “And additionally, particularly in this case, by two brave young women who faced down their fears and who confronted their mother.

“It’s been a long, hard road in this case to get to this point. I’ve only been prosecutor here for a little over three years. So that road began well before me,” Flanigan added.

“And it began with the hard work and the dedication of the agencies standing here with me today. As a prosecutor, I couldn’t have asked for better cooperation among these agencies than what I received in this case,” the prosecutor said.

https://www.wvnews.com/theet/news/t...al&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

This quote from the article is hopeful for me as to prosecuting without a body. jmo

 

[flute4peace]

Since I am outside of the US, I can't check this myself. For some reason I can never get any of the Wichita Gov site stuff to load, but the word is out that the Child Endangerment charges for EG have been upgraded to a Felony. Can anyone confirm this?

If anyone has a link to where to check this that's friendly to non-US peeps, I'd appreciate it.

I don't know how to search court records but will check local MSM.

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[Kamm5]

I don’t believe they released any info from what they found at the house