Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #7 *Arrest*

[Squirrel85]

Lucas could have been gone any time between when the neighbors saw him outside with their kids up until 6:00 pm on February 17. That's the time gap we need to fill. Does anyone want to create a detailed timeline beginning on the day and time EG and the kids went to play at the neighbors to the present?

I'm really considering why was little Lucas called in as missing on that day, and that time. Dad was working out of town, as we know. When was he SCHEDULED to return home? Do we know? That answer may have something to do with WHEN she called him in as missing.

Didn't Henry2326 start to make a detailed timeline? I might be mistaken, but I thought I read a timeline he posted in thread #4 or #5. I will go and dig thru the previous postings.

 

[GigTu]

The post is about consistencies, not inconsistencies.

WOW! I really read that wrong. My bad. Thank you. :blush:

 

[NervousNellie]

Can I ask again, how is that inconsistent? I'm not seeing it.

They are saying "consistencies" not "INconsistencies".

 

[kkdj]

Wow I totally missed that.

She says she sent a picture of the 2 of them walking away after she had invited them in out of the cold. She says she sent the picture to her fiance. Her fiance will know if that's the truth. Meanwhile, she is putting herself talking to someone on her porch as the neighbor mentioned.

 

[Soulmagent]

I totally get all the conversation about the 3-hour nap....but does anyone think the 3-hour nap actually happened that afternoon?

Show of hands of those who suspect (even if not 100%) that something happened to Lucas before the supposed nap?

:wave:

jmo

I think he went missing before the date he was reported. However a nap is probally somewhere in the honest timeline of events. Like she hit him in the head and he fell asleep after that and didnt wake up. It take 2 hours for the body to build the smell of decomposition so whatever happened was dealt with in 3 hours her time. When is the question.IMO

 

[sleuther0192837465]

So the consistencies are, from day one, that she last saw him in his bedroom, she took a shower and fell asleep Sat. afternoon, awoke and found him missing, and reported him missing at 6 p.m.

Would that be correct?

Any other consistencies? From day one?

That’s exactly what I’m trying to figure out. Because there has to be a little bit of truth in the statements. Picking apart her statements might at least give us an idea as to what really occurred. MOO


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[DAnthrplgst]

She says she sent a picture of the 2 of them walking away after she had invited them in out of the cold. She says she sent the picture to her fiance. Her fiance will know if that's the truth. Meanwhile, she is putting herself talking to someone on her porch as the neighbor mentioned.

LE already verified that the photo exists and that they were given the photo, it was in a news article posted in the last thread.

On this topic of the strange couple and EG's seemingly contradictory statement that she offered them a place to sit if they needed while simultaneously thinking they were shady. IF this event occurred (which I have my doubts) I can see how her mind-set would have worked. You see two strangers in front of your home and at first you think they may need help so you ask, they say they are fine but something about them seems off, perhaps sinister, in a split second you ask yourself "if they are ok, why are they standing in front of my house in the early morning?" you suddenly feel suspicious of these people, what are they up to, you ask yourself. After lingering in front of your home for a little too long you decide to snap a quick photo as they walk away and send it to your BF, maybe he knows who these people are, maybe he's seen them around.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

:seeya:

Hands down. I bet it was before that, being as the child endangerment for her precious baby girl is from the 16th. Who does she think she's fooling. We all know her track record with her own sons. Now her baby girl.
Suddenly she's portraying herself as mother of the year, boo hoo hoo, sniffle, sniffle.
This not stepmother/ live in girlfriend.
She thinks she's so clever, smarter than everyone else, smarter than the investigators.
Smart enough to not hang herself if given just enough rope.
Oh the horses mouth is indeed a gift to behold.

 

[kkdj]

LE already verified that the photo exists and that they were given the photo, it was in a news article posted in the last thread.

On this topic of the strange couple and EG's seemingly contradictory statement that she offered them a place to sit if they needed while simultaneously thinking they were shady. IF this event occurred (which I have my doubts) I can see how her mind-set would have worked. You see two strangers in front of your home and at first you think they may need help so you ask, they say they are fine but something about them seems off, perhaps sinister, in a split second you ask yourself "if they are ok, why are they standing in front of my house in the early morning?" you suddenly feel suspicious of these people, what are they up to, you ask yourself. After lingering in front of your home for a little too long you decide to snap a quick photo as they walk away and send it to your BF, maybe he knows who these people are, maybe he's seen them around.

I must have missed the BBM. You know, it's possible she's telling the truth. I admit I haven't thought so as LE hasn't told the community to be on the lookout for anyone so I haven't thought they believed her plus her being arrested and charged re her 1 year old.

 

[Zelda1010]

According to poster Chihuahua last thread, post 650:

http://www.kake.com/story/37532140/s...oked-into-jail
"Wichita police said the boys stepmother last saw Lucas when she then took a shower and fell asleep. Officers were notified around 6:15 p.m. that the boy was missing."

It sure seems like she's tweaked her story so that it is more believable.

Or, I suppose, she could be legitimately clarifying things. Like the description.

If she is a user or an addict, that still would make her responsible, don't get me wrong. I think the guilt would catch up with her eventually once she sobers up. Maybe she was asleep, or too high to care, or out of the kind of drugs that would leave her too sick to parent when Lucas legitimately disappeared under her "care". Drugs could leave her giving really crappy info to the police responding to her emergency.

Of course, she doesn't exactly seem contrite, like I'd think an "innocent drug user" might be about LOSING THE BABY. Just defensive...like Dad. Maybe they've just been in denial for so long that they have to learn how to think differently. Those are going to be some painful realizations, if so, and I feel for him in particular. She probably deserves the pain of those realizations if she lost or killed the baby.

If she beat him and he died or she ignored an injury/illness and he died. It takes more time and evil to lie and cover it up. Since she has a documented anger problem, Dad should be open to discussing the abuse, shouldn't he? Because it would be relevant to finding Lucas from Day One, wouldn't it? I don't know. I've been rolling around that idea since last thread...how previous abuse wouldn't be relevant to finding a missing kid.

At least we know LE isn't just guessing about 90% of the stuff we are here.

 

[Squirrel85]

According to poster Chihuahua last thread, post 650:


It sure seems like she's tweaked her story so that it is more believable.

Or, I suppose, she could be legitimately clarifying things. Like the description.

If she is a user or an addict, that still would make her responsible, don't get me wrong. I think the guilt would catch up with her eventually once she sobers up. Maybe she was asleep, or too high to care, or out of the kind of drugs that would leave her too sick to parent when Lucas legitimately disappeared under her "care". Drugs could leave her giving really crappy info to the police responding to her emergency.

Of course, she doesn't exactly seem contrite, like I'd think an "innocent drug user" might be about LOSING THE BABY. Just defensive...like Dad. Maybe they've just been in denial for so long that they have to learn how to think differently. Those are going to be some painful realizations, if so, and I feel for him in particular. She probably deserves the pain of those realizations if she lost or killed the baby.

If she beat him and he died or she ignored an injury/illness and he died. It takes more time and evil to lie and cover it up. Since she has a documented anger problem, Dad should be open to discussing the abuse, shouldn't he? Because it would be relevant to finding Lucas from Day One, wouldn't it? I don't know. I've been rolling around that idea since last thread...how previous abuse wouldn't be relevant to finding a missing kid.

At least we know LE isn't just guessing about 90% of the stuff we are here.

The dad won't open up about the abuse because that would be him acknowledging it. And if he knew about it and didn't step in to prevent it, he would be charged. I think, he doesn't want to incriminate himself.

 

[enw10110]

The picture was obviously staged. So it was 2 days before he disappeared. He was probably already gone at that point, and she was trying to build her story. Think about it... besides the fact that no one would just randomly go out and ask "Do you want to come inside?" (MAYBE 'do you want to use my phone?', but come inside? seriously?), she said they stayed out there for 15-20 minutes after she asked, then she took a picture of them walking away. Why didn't she take the picture in the 15-20 minutes they were standing there? Probably because she took a picture of a random couple as they were walking down her street and made the rest up.

 

[Zelda1010]

She did describe the man as being black, the woman white. I have a feeling this is who the neighbor saw her smoking and talking to on her porch, she being the white woman speaking with a black man.

A poster last thread, without a link, but an avid poster, said the neighbor who saw the man smoking outside with EG described the smoking man as white.

Was a description ever given of the neighbor's smoking man?

 

[Kadoober]

The picture was obviously staged. So it was 2 days before he disappeared. He was probably already gone at that point, and she was trying to build her story. Think about it... besides the fact that no one would just randomly go out and ask "Do you want to come inside?" (MAYBE 'do you want to use my phone?', but come inside? seriously?), she said they stayed out there for 15-20 minutes after she asked, then she took a picture of them walking away. Why didn't she take the picture in the 15-20 minutes they were standing there? Probably because she took a picture of a random couple as they were walking down her street and made the rest up.

This is my thought as well.
She uses 'actually' twice while describing this incident, for no reason.
'It was actually pretty early morning'
'I actually did snap a picture of them walking away because I wanted to send it to their dad to say hey what's going on? Because I'm home alone.'

The needless use of 'actually' leads me to believe that a) It wasn't pretty early morning, and b) she took the picture, but not for the reason she states.

She's concerned because she's home alone, but she also invited these strangers into her home? Give me a break. 'Come on in, out of the cold! No? Ok. Oh, they're lingering, I'm afraid and alone, I need to take a photo!'

That whole interview is chock full of bizarre word choice.

I'm sure her lawyer is just delighted she took this interview. /s

 

[GigTu]

What day and time did EG have her other sons and they all went to the neighbor's house to play?

 

[MsJosie]

Didn't Henry2326 start to make a detailed timeline? I might be mistaken, but I thought I read a timeline he posted in thread #4 or #5. I will go and dig thru the previous postings.

If you find the timeline, maybe it can be posted at the beginning of each thread for reference. As updates are received, maybe a person can change it. Thanks

 

[sleuther0192837465]

A poster last thread, without a link, but an avid poster, said the neighbor who saw the man smoking outside with EG described the smoking man as white.

Was a description ever given of the neighbor's smoking man?

No description was given, according to this article:

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansas.com/news/local/article201763589.html

Tiflati had at one point seen a man outside the house where Lucas had moved but wasn’t sure who he was. The man was standing with the stepmother, and they were smoking. “We just assumed the lady was single.”


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[ninij9]

Here’s my question.. When is the last time you took a 3 hour nap in the middle of the afternoon as an adult?


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Only after an early bridal shower brunch & too much Champagne. But my kids were grown by then and it only happened once. Only time I ever slept when my babies were little was literally in the floor of the nursery as they napped from pure exhaustion. Shower? Now that was a luxury. Both in the same afternoon? Impossible. That's only my experience, and only my opinion.

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[silverkitty]

She says she sent a picture of the 2 of them walking away after she had invited them in out of the cold. She says she sent the picture to her fiance. Her fiance will know if that's the truth. Meanwhile, she is putting herself talking to someone on her porch as the neighbor mentioned.

But the neighbor said he saw her smoking wiith a white man.

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[Paddleboarder]

So the consistencies are, from day one, that she last saw him in his bedroom, she took a shower and fell asleep Sat. afternoon, awoke and found him missing, and reported him missing at 6 p.m.

Would that be correct?

Any other consistencies? From day one?

I think that is correct.


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