Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #7 *Arrest*

[Paddleboarder]

Dillons is a large local grocery store. Their parent company is Kroger. I don't know who you'd contact - probably a store manager at any of the locations would be a starting place at least.

Pizza Hut is a "Wichita" business, having started there long ago. Possibly they might be willing to help as well.

I didn’t know that! I’ll reach out to them. Thank you!


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[Pamela_Brewer]

EG is charged with child endangering on 2/16
between 2:00 & 4:00pm
I have read JH left for his job on 2/9.
How do we KNOW he didn't return the 16th?

He may leave town for 90 days at a time, but I'd be willing to bet he doesn't work all 90 days.
IF he was home late Friday night (the 16th)
& was involved, he could have easily made a round trip from Kansas to elsewhere before her got the return call from EG, left the area with LUCAS and still have been back within the early morning hours of Sunday 2/18 Lucas was reported missing.
It wouldn't be a fun ride, but is very possible!
So for now.
I have no opinion on who did it or who hid it.
It easily could be EG or JH that took Lucas somewhere.

We know Lucas said EG pulled him by his legs across the floor and threw water in his face.
This could be abuse by her, OR EG TRYING TO GET LUCAS AWAY FROM A SITUATION AND NEEDING TO REVIVE HIM.
At any rate, pulling his legs and splashing water in his face doesn't amount to the degree of abuse seen in the photos.
EG as the aggressor is feeling more like the real aggressor has been playing the victim and still is.
Lots of abusive men blame the woman and are adept at making police officers fall for the story. For example:
"Look at her! She has totally lost it. She attacked me- omitting what THEY did to cause it to escalate the situation that resulted in them getting hit with an axe handle for instance...
Time will tell..
Male socio/psychopaths know how to push your buttons and set you off.
The second law enforcement arrives, they become the victim.
They play the passive aggressive game.
They are the ones who don't get upset or show any emotion, while the woman in the pair is understandbly furious and upset, therefore the woman does indeed look like the abuser, when all along it was the male.
I've seen it happen too many times!
EG may be guilty
OR she may be a battered woman.
My issue with her is any drug use. (Knowing if she tested positive shed lose her children.)

Blowing off obvious abuse of your child under someone else's care and stopping contact with the very people who said something about is just can't be excused away.
Not even if it was cousins.
When my son was 2, he was in a private daycare. I arrived to puck him up and he had a huge goose egg on his head. The sitter said she didn't know how it happened.
& Hadn't called ME about it during the day.
I took one look at her 7yr old grandson, running around with a police type black flashlight. I immediately knew what hit him, but why?
Once in the car, my daughter told me, Timmy did it.
Timmy was the grandson.
My husband went to the home the next morning to inform them that we would not be bringing our children back. He also advised her to stop enabling the 7 yr old, promising it will only get worse.
MOO

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[rsd1200]

Could he have tried to walk to his old home? And someone grabbed him? My, at the time, five y/o grarndchild, once slipped out, while Mom was tending house, got into their battery operated truck, and drove it to their other grandparent's home. It wasn't far, but the grandmother called, and asked, Hey, where's X? and Mom said playing down in the playroom. Nope, he was not. Could L have missed his old neighborhood and tried to go back? Surely someone would have seen him though. My grandchild lives in a very rural area so few vehicles or neighbors.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

If anything I am more convinced than ever that she is responsible. I think she will continue to stick to her story (slight variations included) each time she tells it. I would love it if she would agree to move tv interviews. JMO of course


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Seeing some of Casey Anthony in her. Imho

 

[Amonet]

I think if anyone else had been involved that EG would likely have waited a few days to configure scenarios where she could put as much blame on them as possible, and then told that story to LE, presenting herself as a hard-done-by second victim who's absolutely heartbroken but was coerced by someone else.

If LE say there's no evidence of abduction or Lucas walking out by himself and going missing, then that points to the house, and that points to EG.

I am really hoping the addition of Texas Equusearch will lead to a find this weekend. Families shouldn't have to wait this long. The thaw won't be good for preservation of evidence. I don't like to think of that sweet little boy out there and not brought home to his family.

 

[kikukohime]

EG is charged with child endangering on 2/16
between 2:00 & 4:00pm
I have read JH left for his job on 2/9.
How do we KNOW he didn't return the 16th?

He may leave town for 90 days at a time, but I'd be willing to bet he doesn't work all 90 days.
IF he was home late Friday night (the 16th)
& was involved, he could have easily made a round trip from Kansas to elsewhere before her got the return call from EG, left the area with LUCAS and still have been back within the early morning hours of Sunday 2/18 Lucas was reported missing.
It wouldn't be a fun ride, but is very possible!
So for now.
I have no opinion on who did it or who hid it.
It easily could be EG or JH that took Lucas somewhere.

We know Lucas said EG pulled him by his legs across the floor and threw water in his face.
This could be abuse by her, OR EG TRYING TO GET LUCAS AWAY FROM A SITUATION AND NEEDING TO REVIVE HIM.
At any rate, pulling his legs and splashing water in his face doesn't amount to the degree of abuse seen in the photos.
EG as the aggressor is feeling more like the real aggressor has been playing the victim and still is.
Lots of abusive men blame the woman and are adept at making police officers fall for the story. For example:
"Look at her! She has totally lost it. She attacked me- omitting what THEY did to cause it to escalate the situation that resulted in them getting hit with an axe handle for instance...
Time will tell..
Male socio/psychopaths know how to push your buttons and set you off.
The second law enforcement arrives, they become the victim.
They play the passive aggressive game.
They are the ones who don't get upset or show any emotion, while the woman in the pair is understandbly furious and upset, therefore the woman does indeed look like the abuser, when all along it was the male.
I've seen it happen too many times!
EG may be guilty
OR she may be a battered woman.
My issue with her is any drug use. (Knowing if she tested positive shed lose her children.)

Blowing off obvious abuse of your child under someone else's care and stopping contact with the very people who said something about is just can't be excused away.
Not even if it was cousins.
When my son was 2, he was in a private daycare. I arrived to puck him up and he had a huge goose egg on his head. The sitter said she didn't know how it happened.
& Hadn't called ME about it during the day.
I took one look at her 7yr old grandson, running around with a police type black flashlight. I immediately knew what hit him, but why?
Once in the car, my daughter told me, Timmy did it.
Timmy was the grandson.
My husband went to the home the next morning to inform them that we would not be bringing our children back. He also advised her to stop enabling the 7 yr old, promising it will only get worse.
MOO

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Whilst I appreciate your theorising outside of the "norm" because it raises different questions, I think in this case EG is perfectly capable of being the aggressor all by herself. She has a history of it, documented in police reports. She had her kids taken away from her.
In situations like this, it seems often that Occam's Razor applies.
You don't have to make many assumptions about EG. She presents her behaviour in plain sight.
If you were to stretch "belief" in this case, you could say it would be reasonable to say EG could have someone help her hide Lucas. But to think she was a caring mother reviving Lucas previously, we'd have to make the assumption that she was a wonderful maternal figure. Her self-evidence doesn't present that.
If we include JH as skirting back and forth between TX and KS, then you have to make certain assumptions - that LE hasn't checked his punch in punch out times, that his employer wouldn't have noticed he was gone or in the case that he took Lucas with him when he departed - that the people who saw him on the 11th didn't, when the much more reasonable answer is simply - EG probably hit him in a fit of rage, perhaps put him to bed (perhaps she thought he just had a concussion) hence the pull up and the grain of truth about a "nap" and then panicked when she found him dead and dumped him somewhere.

 

[kkdj]

I had a woman come thru my lane around 8ish. While I was getting her change she asked me if there were any places on the highway to take a shower. This person had come from Wichita entry so my thought at the time was, 'what happened to you between Wichita and here that you need a shower?' I advised her there were some truck stops about 31 miles south at the Blackwell exit in Oklahoma. she kind of furrowed her eyebrows like that wasn't the answer she wanted and then she went ahead and drove on. Now we see all kinds of things on the turnpike (I could write a book) so I didn't discuss it with anyone until my next shift the following weekend after the reports of Lucas disappearance. I reported it to my supervisor on the 23rd and called the tip line the next morning. The woman was, I would guess, in her late twenties, thin, had very dark shoulder length hair. As I said it could have been completely unrelated and just some poor lady having a bad night but I felt like I needed to say something just in case.

Thanks. Sounds like it fits her description. Do you recall the type of car and color? Have the police asked you anymore questions?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I think high-school partying locations might be a place to check out. They might be places known to her but yet would seem hidden as well.

jmo

Great idea, just as Casey Anthony hid Caylee Anthony's Body where she used to party when she was younger. How could where she partied when she was younger be determined? I don't know if there any of her friends that would contribute that information.

 

[motheroffour]

Thanks. Sounds like it fits her description. Do you recall the type of car and color? Have the police asked you anymore questions?

My memory of the car is only that it was a sedan and not a very late model. Possibly silver or grey. The police have not contacted me at all since I called in the tip. I called the number listed as the tip line but the person who answered told me he hadn’t seen any detectives come in and didn’t know if they were working that day. I don’t believe that was the case but that maybe none of them had just come in the station yet, I called pretty early that Saturday morning the 24th. The person I spoke to let me give my tip and then asked me some questions to make sure they had it right. I gave my name and number so it wasn’t given as an anonymous tip.

 

[Paddleboarder]

My memory of the car is only that it was a sedan and not a very late model. Possibly silver or grey. The police have not contacted me at all since I called in the tip. I called the number listed as the tip line but the person who answered told me he hadn’t seen any detectives come in and didn’t know if they were working that day. I don’t believe that was the case but that maybe none of them had just come in the station yet, I called pretty early that Saturday morning the 24th. The person I spoke to let me give my tip and then asked me some questions to make sure they had it right. I gave my name and number so it wasn’t given as an anonymous tip.

Will you please call them again?


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[GigTu]

You would think that buzzards would be circling or gathering by now. Wonder if anyone has seen any in the past week? I don't think they would gather many days, and probably too late now. :tantrum:

There's nothing for Emily to talk about now. She has no reason to give more information, nor tell if she knows where Lucas is. There's nothing of benefit for her. The longer she stays quiet, the harder the LE will have to work to solve this case without her.

You bring up a good point.

LE needs to circulate a photo of her auto and ask if anyone noticed buzzards circling in an area any time since Feb. 17.

I'm curious why neither of those two things has occurred.

 

[GigTu]

Yes at plaza 4. We are 12 miles north of the Oklahoma border. I am in no way saying I think this person was looking for a place to dispose of Lucas. I saw no one else in the car with her either and it wasn't a white SUV so not all pieces fit but we here seem so hard to be trying to make every scrap of information we have make sense that I think we overthink the minutia and miss the big picture. Like if someone has committed a crime in a fit of rage their brain is going to be full of adrenaline and they are going to make mistakes. the answer is out there and its possible like some have said that it's in plain site. When Jonathon Foster was found, his body had just been tossed into a drainage ditch, God rest his soul.

It may be nothing and it may be something. Heck, it may even be related to a completely different case that hasn't been reported yet or we haven't made the connection to, yet.

Does EG have access [friend, family member, abandoned vehicle] to the type of vehicle it was?

I'm certain if EG was transporting Lucas he would have been stuffed into the trunk so you couldn't see him.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I may have misunderstood, but the comment I was responding to was saying they thought she sent the pic to her older boys' father, not JH. Why send a pic to him is my question.

Sorry, I was saying I agree in a sarcasm... and was being sarcastic to HER saying that she sent him a picture right after kicking him out.
I don't buy it. No reason exists imo. The pffft was to HER comment not your post.

Carry on :blowkiss:

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Since they just move is it possible she rents at Dave’s? Thinking out loud here...


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And if she moved on her own, how did she qualify for a credit check? Most rental units require credit checks. With what I know, I don't think she could have passed a credit check for a rental.

 

[Steelslady]

Right? I completely forgot about the dark hair comments until she just told us the story.

There were comments on Emily’s hair 2 separate times:

1. When this tip was briefly discussed and pushed to the side.

2. When we first saw Emily in court and everyone was thrown off by her hair.

If we could pin point when she went from blonde to brunette that could tell us a lot. It might be hard to find out but maybe our VI or could start digging...


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perhaps start with the neighbor that was the last to see Lucas (that we know of)? Was she blonde that day and the day of digging in a flower bed (a different neighbor gave this account)? Was she blonde the day she was seen smoking with another man?

 

[GigTu]

My gut says Lucas is farther away than TES is searching, and why EG is so smug.

Having said that, who moved all of their heavy furniture from house 1 to house 2?

Are there storage units (facilities) that could be housing any of their stuff, or even little Lucas?

 

[Jewels53]

Good Luck today with search for Lucas! Hugs for the family!

 

[RoyalsGal8]

My memory of the car is only that it was a sedan and not a very late model. Possibly silver or grey. The police have not contacted me at all since I called in the tip. I called the number listed as the tip line but the person who answered told me he hadn’t seen any detectives come in and didn’t know if they were working that day. I don’t believe that was the case but that maybe none of them had just come in the station yet, I called pretty early that Saturday morning the 24th. The person I spoke to let me give my tip and then asked me some questions to make sure they had it right. I gave my name and number so it wasn’t given as an anonymous tip.

I agree- I think you should call again and verify that your tip was passed on.


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[AgeofAquaruis]

O/T: I'd like to thank everyone for their prayers, positive energy and happy thoughts and especially those who have checked on me through the day inquiring how things were going in the storm, your kindness and concern is greatly appreciated. The storm has now officially moved through my area and the winds have died down considerably. My troublesome tree behaved itself and so far as I can see it barely lost any branches.

Happy to hear that. 😊 Thank you for letting us know.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Each coincidence and little story doesn't seem very important on its own. But when you start to lump them together, the coincidences paint a big picture that's much too significant to ignore. It's almost like connecting the dots. Thank you, motheroffour, for calling it in.

Bingo. She may very well have dyed her hair at a rest stop shower.
Unless the 35 miles were too out of her way liking.