Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #9 *Arrest*

[MsFacetious]

Okay now that has confirmed Lucas was so sick.... the pull up makes sense.
When my kids were around 5 and got a stomach bug, they went back into diapers.
I'll spare the details but they absolutely needed them when they were puking.

I am very much wondering now if Lucas simply died from dehydration or neglect.
We don't see it happen so much these days due to technology, but it happened a lot in the 1800's.
That would be heartbreaking that he wasn't cared for when sick... but at least it wouldn't be as painful.

I also wonder how much he was seeing the doctor (to check for dehydration or weight loss especially with a prior feeding tube). A week is about as long as we like to let stomach bugs go even in totally healthy kids. Also wondering how often family was calling to see how he was doing. My family definitely would be.

I'm very glad that we have a narrower time frame, thank you ! If you can confirm or deny any of the other "rumors" that would be awesome as well. At least we don't have to watch Emily parading around like Casey did for so long!

 

[Amonet]

I hope this doesn’t sound too crazy, and given that I’ve thought of it I can’t imagine that LE hasn’t. Considering EG grew up in Andover this occurred to me. I used to drive to Andover from Wichita 5 days a week, taking my son to school. To avoid traffic and construction on Kellogg, I’ve driven every way to Andover that you can go I think. Harry St to Andover Rd, at the right time of day, is almost eerie it’s so deserted. Especially past Webb. There’s lots of places someone could stop off and go down a culvert or into the woods.
There’s other ways too that are quiet and have dense wooded areas but Harry just pops out at me. Harry St isn’t far from their new house. Also, It’s quite a ...calming drive for lack of a better description. I don’t know if that’s an area that is included on any search.

That doesn't sound crazy at all! It's exactly what I was thinking about last night as I fell asleep and wanted to find a way to ask today.

Routes from EG's home out of town, and at every choice point taking the most likely quietest route, then focus on places where a vehicle can pull over, and where the locale looks not too overlooked by buildings and also reasonably hidden from the road.

As I'm not familiar with the roads there, I can't do it. The grid layout of the roads makes no sense to me in terms of choice points and the logic of which roads will be busier/quieter. But you guys who live around there can do this without thinking...what I would like you to do is try to take yourselves off automatic and actually think about it and maybe mark some routes on a map that fit these criteria, then look at the routes out and look at places that might be 50 to 150 feet from the road that fit the criteria of not directly overlooked.

And this can be modified for places like culverts...maybe they can be closer to the road, because once something is pushed into the culvert it can't be seen, but also we don't want to be overlooked pushing something in there....that's going to be an even more vulnerable moment than driving with a body in the trunk.

LE are keeping so much close to the chest. They haven't officially named EG, they haven't put her picture out or a picture of her vehicle, there are no media images of either of the homes being searched or the vehicle being taken away for forensics. But they have her locked up on the endangerment charge and they've held back the endangerment charge for Lucas, so I don't think we can assume they aren't doing these things, especially not taking into consideration FLA's recent comment that she has things she has been told not to talk about, she doesn't understand why, but LE believes this is best to keep a lot of this case under wraps. It seems to make things very difficult if they also want tips but won't tell people what to look out for or what timeframe? But we have to respect that they truly believe this is the best thing for building a case. So I don't think we should rule out a vehicle, but on the other hand places within walking distance might also be relevant...

 

[mistivon]

I feel so useless, , but I'm here to help. Tell me what I can do for you and for the family.
Whose car was he in? Have cameras literally been checked thoroughly? They would have so much to go through but I'd pick out the most likely intersection cameras, business and homeowner cameras facing the street and work around there. A vehicle leaving her house had to have been caught on at least one camera, probably more depending on how far he was driven. I still don't think she drove him if she did, he's close.
She let that baby lay in his own waste and due of sepsis, didn't she? She was too busy getting high to care or too afraid to take him to the ER cuz he had bruises.
Where the hell did that b**ch put him?
We can figure this out. Oh, I wish I was there. I'm about to try to get a little sleep but you tell me who you're trying to locate it what property and I'll find everything I can here in a couple of hours.
Everyone, try to rest. Including and especially you, PB. All you physically searching and those of you I've seen on here constantly sleuthing, Tricia, LilTex....sleep without bad dreams. Take a breather.
Hugs all around

 

[ESO]

Without going into details, we really need to have the land owners check their priorities if at all possible. There have been 2 articles about the request, but it needs to happen soon.

The family has had a very rough 24 hours. As you can imagine, in situations like this people reach a breaking point - especially with all of the negativity targeting the family.

We’re going to talk to the family again in the morning. It looks like I may be heading to Wichita soon.

From a sleuthing standpoint, I would focus on late Friday afternoon into the early morning hours of Saturday. Lucas would have been transported when it was dark outside.

Lucas had been sick for close to two weeks before he “went missing.” He had a stomach bug the first week and had been very sick. I would imagine his already fragile 45 pound body would have been in a much more compromised state.

Tim was correct when he compared EG to Casey Anthony. I’ve been thinking of Casey’s actions and patterns of behavior - I even watched a show about the case today.

I’ll check back in tomorrow. Thanks for your excellent posts!




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I hate that the family is going thru this, especially publicly. I don’t think any one could withstand that kind of scrutiny, but adding a tragedy that was not their fault or doing must be devastating.

I hate to add this but you might warn people to investigate things that smell really bad. I think that as the weather warms up, it’s smell that might lead us to Lucas.


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[mistivon]

They checked that one shed...did they check others? Parks = driven out. Shed = walked out. They don't know which? Close neighbors properties?

 

[AFTM]

I feel so useless, , but I'm here to help. Tell me what I can do for you and for the family.
Whose car was he in? Have cameras literally been checked thoroughly? They would have so much to go through but I'd pick out the most likely intersection cameras, business and homeowner cameras facing the street and work around there. A vehicle leaving her house had to have been caught on at least one camera, probably more depending on how far he was driven. I still don't think she drove him if she did, he's close.
She let that baby lay in his own waste and due of sepsis, didn't she? She was too busy getting high to care or too afraid to take him to the ER cuz he had bruises.
Where the hell did that b**ch put him?
We can figure this out. Oh, I wish I was there. I'm about to try to get a little sleep but you tell me who you're trying to locate it what property and I'll find everything I can here in a couple of hours.
Everyone, try to rest. Including and especially you, PB. All you physically searching and those of you I've seen on here constantly sleuthing, Tricia, LilTex....sleep without bad dreams. Take a breather.
Hugs all around

You are getting somewhere now. I have been wondering about the flu all along. Kudos to you...

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[kkdj]

I dont think they're going to find him.

 

[AFTM]

What if she buried him in a cemetery. Say on top of a newly dug grave. The cadaver dogs would never find him. They would be stopping at every grave. I know it is a terrible thought but we are dealing with a terrible person. Think about it...

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[MsFacetious]

What if she buried him in a cemetery. Say on top of a newly dug grave. The cadaver dogs would never find him. They would be stopping at every grave. I know it is a terrible thought but we are dealing with a terrible person. Think about it...

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I think you are giving her way too much credit. :twocents:

 

[AFTM]

What if she buried him in a cemetery. Say on top of a newly dug grave. The cadaver dogs would never find him. They would be stopping at every grave. I know it is a terrible thought but we are dealing with a terrible person. Think about it... The dirt would even be soft for her to dig.

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[AFTM]

I think you are giving her way too much credit. :twocents:

I think they need to look because I didn't think of this. I looked up a good way to dispose of a body and it was one of them.

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[AFTM]

Sorry I tried to edit my post and it posted again. I still don't know what I do wrong when I try to do that???

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[perfectingpink]

I think we need to contact local co ops and have them display a flyer asking the farmers to check their property.

 

[perfectingpink]

What bothers me about all of our searches on the country roads is we were only able to search tree rows parallel to the road and I think it is more likely he will be found on rows perpendicular to the road.

 

[AFTM]

Poor Lucas I wish I could go to sleep tonight and dream where you are little one. But where ever you are I bet you know how much you are loved by those that are searching for you.

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[Ursamajr]

Sorry yes egs word that he was wearing a pull up.... Just because she makes sure to mention it every chance she can for some reason
Thanks for linking the reference to drug use for me. I apologize, thought it was common knowledge. If I need to edit my post and remove it, I will. I also need to state again that all those are just my jumbled thoughts coming out of my confused brain. All opinion. I'll delete if it's easier.

I probably have missed a post saying the exact same thing, but - is it possible that whatever happened, happened in the middle of the night - meaning the pull up was still on, then, when she had time to think about covering bases during the morning hours, realizing there would have been no reason for him to have the pul ups on during the day when he went missing (and too many family members know he only wears them at night) so an excuse was made as to why he will have them on when found. Repeating the fact he had them on is a tell. Sorry for my ramble, I'm half asleep.

 

[mistivon]

Imo too lazy to bury him. If in a cemetery, then under/behind a large headstone, tree, etc.
I think if EG is gonna crack, it's about to happen. Imagine how we feel magnified by a thousand. ALL the pertinent info being kept quiet INCLUDING search locations, family and friends being told not to give out information.... This is LEs strategy. It's got to be driving her insane. Where are they searching? What do they know? Has so n so ratted me out or are they about to? Are they close? Making her crazy and if not, then they're completely on the wrong track. If she doesn't do or say something to attract attention here in the next day or two, then I will regretfully say that I was wrong and he may not be found for a long time.
I don't think it will come to that. I think they're close, they've got a plan and this is all part of it.
I hope.

 

[Grapey]

I think it's already been suggested but I'm thinking she left the kids home alone whilst she went out to get drugs.
Came back and Lucas was deceased?

OR

Possibly Lucas died during FRIDAY nap time (that's where she got that story line from) and her first thought was to get drugs, then think of a plan? Maybe why Lucas was taken off the endangerment charge...he was already deceased?

She knew he was sick but didn't realise he was THAT sick (possibly didn't/couldn't take him to a doctor because of all the bruises)

Dumped the body somewhere overnight. Somewhere that she is familiar with as this wasn't planned and will need to be quick.

I think she would have been cleaning/possibly getting rid of evidence all day Saturday but she WAS home from 3pm. She wouldn't risk getting caught on camera during the supposed 'nap time'.

Would love to know what some of her google searches where during this time.

All MOO, thinking out loud :moo:

 

[chihuahua]

What if she buried him in a cemetery. Say on top of a newly dug grave. The cadaver dogs would never find him. They would be stopping at every grave. I know it is a terrible thought but we are dealing with a terrible person. Think about it...

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That's exactly what I've thought about. Old cemeteries don't confuse cadaver dogs as much as those with new/current burials do.
Many bodies have been disposed of that way.
jmo

 

[chihuahua]

I think we need to contact local co ops and have them display a flyer asking the farmers to check their property.

I think that's an excellent idea!