Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #9 *Arrest*

[chihuahua]

I guess me being a normal person and all, I'd be terrified to drive without a valid licenses and really scared having a dead body with me.
That's where these cases get so hard because we can't think like these people, because we are not psychopaths.

Last thought until later today:
what person isn't afraid of transporting a dead body?
jmo

 

[ScarlettLin]

Last thought until later today:
what person isn't afraid of transporting a dead body?
jmo

*tongue in cheek*
Those who have the actual real job of transporting them - funeral home transport, ambulance drivers...


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[WillenFan21]

What can be done to get the media more involved. We need a public cry to local landowners.

I really miss when Nancy Grace had her show on HLN! Like her or not she would get good interviews and even talk with LE. I wonder if Ashley Banfield has covered Lucas case yet? Maybe we could try to contact her. I know she has a show on HLN in place of Nancy's.

 

[Davia18]

Last thought until later today:
what person isn't afraid of transporting a dead body?
jmo

LOL Good question. Hurst driver ?

 

[Hatfield]

JMO
With the thought of the boy possibly being placed in a large metal trash dumpster I wish technology existed with some sort of electronic device that trash haulers could have that would allow detection of human remains being placed in their dumpsters. And I wish they would be required to use it to make sure no human remains are present before they take the contents out.

So many victims have been tossed in those containers and even after it is known that is where they went it becomes a monumental effort to try to locate the body. And a lot of times it is not successful to find a body even if it is known a dumpster was used.

It would be nice to stop it at its source and it would sure help LE out tremendously. It would give killers one less place they could try to hide a body.

 

[Gardener1850]

(Yes, o/t, they are searching for two women from Michigan, Briana and Teresa...it appears there could be a serial killer(s) operating there, moo. Gardener has been super diligent in creating threads for all the missing in that area, so for anyone interested, click on his/her profile to see the various threads created.)

OT: I made a general discussion thread for the Missing Flint Women: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...sing-Women-From-Flint-Genesee-County-Michigan

 

[MissMalowe]

Last thought until later today:
what person isn't afraid of transporting a dead body?
jmo

Someone who isn't afraid of murdering someone else's child.

I don't mean that in a snarky tone, either. I'm just guessing that if this wasnt planned, she was likely panicking, and perhaps the fear of being caught and needing to preserve her "Innocence" far outweighed any fear of being pulled over if driving her own vehicle.

Despite those thoughts, I'm not convinced either way, that she acted alone or had help. I'm torn.

Does anyone here know someone they could call and depend on for something like that? Perhaps some have close enough bonds with friends or family in order to get someone to lie for them or give a fake alibi but to involve themself in a situation they were not involved in and to transport and/or dispose of a dead body?!

But, going along with that idea, that's (ironically enough) the exact same reason why I also keep my mind open to her not acting alone. If another party or parties were involved in something leading up to the incident, they may also feel very inclined to preserve their freedom and go along with helping to cover the crime, because they are, either directly or indirectly involved as well.

This is when I think back to her friends, or seemingly lack thereof and wondering if it's due to her having no friends (likely acted alone) or having the type of friends who definitely do not want the spotlight or at least LE, on them. (Likely another involved)

 

[n_6CC]

Someone who isn't afraid of murdering someone else's child.

I don't mean that in a snarky tone, either. I'm just guessing that if this wasnt planned, she was likely panicking, and perhaps the fear of being caught and needing to preserve her "Innocence" far outweighed any fear of being pulled over if driving her own vehicle.

Despite those thoughts, I'm not convinced either way, that she acted alone or had help. I'm torn.

Does anyone here know someone they could call and depend on for something like that? Perhaps some have close enough bonds with friends or family in order to get someone to lie for them or give a fake alibi but to involve themself in a situation they were not involved in and to transport and/or dispose of a dead body?!

But, going along with that idea, that's (ironically enough) the exact same reason why I also keep my mind open to her not acting alone. If another party or parties were involved in something leading up to the incident, they may also feel very inclined to preserve their freedom and go along with helping to cover the crime, because they are, either directly or indirectly involved as well.

This is when I think back to her friends, or seemingly lack thereof and wondering if it's due to her having no friends (likely acted alone) or having the type of friends who definitely do not want the spotlight or at least LE, on them. (Likely another involved)

I like to think of who I would trust with something like this and what I come up with is Family- never would I trust someone else- MOO


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[Davia18]

Someone who isn't afraid of murdering someone else's child.

I don't mean that in a snarky tone, either. I'm just guessing that if this wasnt planned, she was likely panicking, and perhaps the fear of being caught and needing to preserve her "Innocence" far outweighed any fear of being pulled over if driving her own vehicle.

Despite those thoughts, I'm not convinced either way, that she acted alone or had help. I'm torn.

Does anyone here know someone they could call and depend on for something like that? Perhaps some have close enough bonds with friends or family in order to get someone to lie for them or give a fake alibi but to involve themself in a situation they were not involved in and to transport and/or dispose of a dead body?!

But, going along with that idea, that's (ironically enough) the exact same reason why I also keep my mind open to her not acting alone. If another party or parties were involved in something leading up to the incident, they may also feel very inclined to preserve their freedom and go along with helping to cover the crime, because they are, either directly or indirectly involved as well.

This is when I think back to her friends, or seemingly lack thereof and wondering if it's due to her having no friends (likely acted alone) or having the type of friends who definitely do not want the spotlight or at least LE, on them. (Likely another involved)

I feel she acted alone. I could maybe find someone to help me hide my ex very abusive husband but not a child.
I'm also in the court of he was disposed of days before reported missing. I believe he was put into a commercial dumpster and report missing after that dumpster was emptied for the week. I hope to be wrong and that Lucas is found.

 

[Busylady]

This may be nuts, but my husband was at the Century II Performing Center on the 16th getting some stuff ready for the upcoming Kansas All-State Band event the following weekend. He said it was crazy, apparently there was a Womens Fair going on and so many people and kids there. All kinds of kids being pushed in strollers, pulled in wagons and such. Was wondering if there was a park or something close by, where dads could of walked with the kids to get a break while mom was visiting exhibits and such inside? She could of easily blended in with a stroller or wagon.

 

[Blef]

I feel she acted alone. I could maybe find someone to help me hide my ex very abusive husband but not a child.
I'm also in the court of he was disposed of days before reported missing. I believe he was put into a commercial dumpster and report missing after that dumpster was emptied for the week. I hope to be wrong and that Lucas is found.

I don't know if you remember but very early on I had that "omg" moment when it hit me she might have disposed of him in a way that meant he ended up in a landfill. That feeling has never left me. He would fit into a packing box, along with trash they might have had. I feel so sickened when I think of this, but it has been done by others before.

 

[Hatfield]

I like to think of who I would trust with something like this and what I come up with is Family- never would I trust someone else- MOO

Any one of my family members would escort me directly to the nearest police station but they would have to beat me there because I would have showed up there first.

Seriously though no matter what the circumstances if someone died on my watch then my family and myself would just tell the truth of what happened and gone to police. Possibly consulting a lawyer first would be possible if it was some sort of iffy accident.

This article below is one reason why I dont believe her when she called that he was missing.

"The child's great-grandmother Jeannie Houchin on Wednesday told the Eagle that Lucas once told her his stepmother kicked him and dragged him across the room. She said she reported the concerns to the state child protection agency, which wouldn't comment to the paper.Houchin said when she asked the boy why he didn't like his stepmother, he replied, "She's mean to me."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lucas-...her-who-reported-kansas-boy-missing-arrested/

 

[Davia18]

I don't know if you remember but very early on I had that "omg" moment when it hit me she might have disposed of him in a way that meant he ended up in a landfill. That feeling has never left me. He would fit into a packing box, along with trash they might have had. I feel so sickened when I think of this, but it has been done by others before.

Yep. My son is also 5 and happy and healthy. Sounds terrible but I looked at him this morning thinking of Lucas and thought he's so little he'd fit in my normal kitchen trash. Breaks my heart, I just wish EG and JH if he has info would just tell the truth.

 

[WillenFan21]

JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING!!!

As i was catching up on this thread I came to the discussion in here about trash. It made me ask myself a couple of questions. "Why haven't LE searched landfills yet?", "What evidence do they have that makes them think Emily killed him and he's dead?" and "Why do they think he was in a park somewhere?" I sat here thinking about it these questions trying to rack my brain for answers. I realize that there are picture evidence of him being abused but there has to be something more that links her specifically to the crime of his disappearance, something that makes LE think he is dead, and not just the child endangerment charge. There is something that LE knows that they have not told us in regards to Emily and the link between what happened to Lucas. I mean there was even one article that said LE has named her a person of interest in the case.

As I was thinking about all of this a few things came to me that would make sense and answer some of these questions. If they did a search of Emily's house I wonder if they obtained her bank records, and some receipts of her recent purchases and happened to find that she bought a shovel and some type of container that she put him in, as well as her phone pings being around all these parks. Maybe that's why LE was searching the parks and why they don't think he's in a landfill. I wonder if whatever was in all of these records they put it together that she committed a crime.

This made me think of something else.... Remember with Casey Anthony they had her target purchases etc and they were able to name her a suspect early on? This could be another reason why Tim Miller said it makes him think of the Caylee case.

Wanted to bring this back. I don’t think he is in a landfill or water. There is reason LE hasn’t searched these two places and I think this is why. They have evidence that he’s not there. JMO


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[Davia18]

Wanted to bring this back. I don’t think he is in a landfill or water. There is reason LE hasn’t searched these two places and I think this is why. They have evidence that he’s not there. JMO


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The phone pings could be doing drug deals or who knows what else. The reason I feel the commercial dumpster, is looking at the location of the home, considering she may not have a valid licenses, also the fact she has a one year old, she could walk 2 blocks down to either a laundry mat or bakery. Also the fact of how many people have successfully dumped a body in a dumpster and have never been found (even after admitting it and a landfill being searched). I also feel Lucas was gone before reported missing. Of course just my opinion. I do hope to be wrong and Lucas is found and much sooner than later before all evidence is lost.

 

[n_6CC]

Any one of my family members would escort me directly to the nearest police station but they would have to beat me there because I would have showed up there first.

Seriously though no matter what the circumstances if someone died on my watch then my family and myself would just tell the truth of what happened and gone to police. Possibly consulting a lawyer first would be possible if it was some sort of iffy accident.

This article below is one reason why I dont believe her when she called that he was missing.

"The child's great-grandmother Jeannie Houchin on Wednesday told the Eagle that Lucas once told her his stepmother kicked him and dragged him across the room. She said she reported the concerns to the state child protection agency, which wouldn't comment to the paper.Houchin said when she asked the boy why he didn't like his stepmother, he replied, "She's mean to me."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lucas-...her-who-reported-kansas-boy-missing-arrested/

Yes me too- but that’s why we are here instead of in jail- I know I don’t have a past of abuse and DV calls on my record- but if I did? I’d be calling someone close to me- closer than anyone else, for help. Especially if I could pin it on an “accident” of some kind. Think about this-she would stand to lose 3 of her own children for good. She would stand to end up in jail. Although all of these things are happening, if you thought you could spin the story, wouldn’t you try??


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[LietKynes]

Marking my spot.

My guess would probably be a landfill, if he's deceased. I'm assuming they've been searched ?
Also agree with other posters that he was gone from this earth before the 'missing' call.
So disgusted with this monstrous woman for what is known fact-- the dragging, kicking,and water being thrown on him. He's just 5 ; fgs !!

 

[n_6CC]

Yes me too- but that’s why we are here instead of in jail- I know I don’t have a past of abuse and DV calls on my record- but if I did? I’d be calling someone close to me- closer than anyone else, for help. Especially if I could pin it on an “accident” of some kind. Think about this-she would stand to lose 3 of her own children for good. She would stand to end up in jail. Although all of these things are happening, if you thought you could spin the story, wouldn’t you try??


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And who’s to say “this person” wasn’t with her on Friday night- I go back to my initial thoughts.....
Who is her best friend, and where were all of these people Friday,Saturday and Sunday- I bet LE knows. I wish I did!


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[RMT953]

We searched this area and the problem is, it is all private property. But I do agree, it is an interesting area. I get so frustrated because I know she most likely did not care if where ever she went was private property.

Ms Pink I should have known that you and Mr Pink would have been near that area! I am trying to think if I have any contact that live in there. I think I might. Teehee.


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[Ms. Fletcher]

If it wouldn't be too much, I wanted to ask our VIs about the information regarding Lucas' sickness for those 8 days. Was he observed as being sick by anyone other than EG? Or was this information provided by EG? We are working under the assumption that her story about his disappearance is a lie. I just want to be careful about taking anything else she has said as truth.