Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions....

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  • #421
Thats if any of it is actually true of course. IMO Terri says whatever suits Terri at that time.

I cant help wondering who actually gets the allowance for J now? If Ecker is paying Tarver the money to look after his own biological son thats crazy. Fair enough he may not have known that J was living with his dad but he would have done for the past two months.

If Tarver has a shred of decency and pride he would not take a penny of money from Ecker. I personally think it is reprehensible that Terri took his money. I think the whole situation is disgusting. I feel bad for the boy.
 
  • #422
Yikes I'm glad I'm not a kid these days...every move kids make is so monitored and diagnosed and dissected...:(

Glad I'm not a mom either...I would be considered a lousy one for sure.

I agree!!! Kids are so bubble wrapped today I'm surprised they can walk on their own two feet.
 
  • #423
Since this thread is about TH and her personality, I can finally post some info re: personal experience and reflection.

I know someone who is SO similar to TH it's frightening. A facade of caring; a former teacher; a former actress (bodybuilder?). So "about" kids she tried to turkey-baste heself into pregnancy when, while they were dating, her (present poor schmuck) husband refused to try a reconnect after a vasectomy. It took me 30 years to figure out she was, and still is, deranged.

The individual who was in my life (not now, but until last fall!!!), continually drew me into her dramas. Convinced me she was "done wrong." Took her Dad off of badly needed oxygen for an entire afternoon "to make him more comfortable." He died that evening.

Borderline Personality, NDP. Whatever. If ... if ... TH truly has psychiatric symptoms/issues, none of us can truly understand TH. She's in her own private Idaho.
 
  • #424
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Guess you could ask the same question about Desiree - what was she doing to support her own child. If people are going to use that against Terri, why not to both moms? moo

I have never seen anything about KH and DY's child support agreement, one way or the other. I have wondered this as well...from my understanding, the courts almost always order some type of child support, because it is in the BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD to receive the benefit of financial support by both parents. I have to wonder how DY must have felt if she WAS paying child support to see her child dressed in his teen aged stepbrothers hand-me-downs, looking like a little vagabond. That would pee me off, if it were me. Just sayin'. If anyone has a link to a MSM source that has info about KH and Dy's child support agreement, I would appreciate it if you could post it because I have been curious about this very thing...TIA, MOO....
 
  • #425
...It's about respect. You can't just spend money without having a budget for your household. Clearly, Terri was going over budget for some items. That shows a lack of respect for her husband.

I'd like to know what Terri spent wildly on. Certainly not her clothes. They got married on the beaches of Hawaii in their bathing suits, so clothes don't seem like a priority for either one of them. Maybe getting her hair done, styled/cut/colored?

Terri and Kaine belonged to the same gym - so that couldn't be it.

Kaine bought her a Mustang for Mother's Day, so that couldn't be it. Maybe gas money? Lunches?

Vacations were taken together (nice ones at that).

I'm sure a large part of Kaine's salary was used to buy Intel stock,so maybe the fluidity of money was tight. Or do you think Terri was stashing some away? And if so, wouldn't Kaine have noticed that?
All just my opinions

Yah, agree. My husband is spendy and I'm the one who writes the budget. We both contribute to the inflow of money, but the outflow is really skewed in his direction. If both spouses are conscious of the amount of the budget that's fluid and more or less stick to it it's all great and no one needs to ask permission or check in with anyone else. When one spouse is really spendy and money seems to flow through their fingers like water, it's not uncalled for to have them check in about it. I don't want to be the financial traffic cop in our house, but circumstances have just worked out that way through necessity.

If Terri was the spendy one in the relationship I can totally see how it could be exasperating and Kaine would want her to stick to a budget or check with him (as the spouse - not as a controlling partner or anything) to make sure they could meet all their financial obligations.

Oh and what is it that Terri spent $$ on that isn't apparent from the outside? I wish I knew because then I could solve the mystery of what my darling H spends our money on!!! Some people can do some serious cash damage without any appreciable change in their possessions, it's totally crazy!! :)
 
  • #426
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Guess you could ask the same question about Desiree - what was she doing to support her own child. If people are going to use that against Terri, why not to both moms? moo

Is Desiree not paying child support?
 
  • #427
I hope I'm not double posting. I was trying to post earlier and lost it.

I have a hard time reconciling the Kaine completely oblivious about his wife's PPD, what medication she'd taken in the past and if she is still taking it, and if she still has PPD, with the Kaine in possession of the emotional wherewithal to finesse a successful discussion about his wife's weight.

Some take any little criticism of Kaine as bashing. If Terri's responsible, the dynamics between her and Kaine are important, not as a way to excuse anything she may have done but certainly as a way to understand it.

On another note, I think most of us have probably done things that could be construed as selfish or hurtful. There's nothing in any of these stories that screams sociopath. Terri seems organized, thoughtful at times and selfish at other times, a good mom struggling to come up with a way to deal with a child who was having behavioral problems (Kyron), and the list goes on. It's all so painfully normal, IMHO. Most parents disagree with other parents about how to raise children (I would NEVER do that!), but at the end of the day, sometimes you find what works. Kyron is a charming child, but that doesn't mean he was perfect. He could've been a handful. Obviously, and before anyone accuses me of saying something I'm not, nothing Kyron did, even in his worst moment, would justify someone, anyone harming him, but I don't think the normal pains of parenting should be used against Terri.

We only ever hear one side of the story, and often that side is contradictory at best, and often Kaine presents the side that shows him in the most favorable light. This hasn't only happened with Terri, either.

I guess I'm just tired of all this peripheral information. It's not helping find Kyron. It's not smoking gun information. A lot of it isn't based on facts. IMHO, most people's lives wouldn't survive the microscope, even other players in this awful, sad story.

BBM.

TH is not talking so yes, we don't hear the whole story but since we hear from TH's friends and relatives, we are not hearing only one side of the story. IMO.

I have seen nothing to indicate that Kyron has a behavior problem. He was described as a good, shy child, maybe with some difficulties following directions which is an educational problem, not a behavioral one. It seems to me that because TH is reported as having been suddenly monitoring Kyron's behavior in what some consider an obsessive way, Kyron is now being described by some as having a behavior problem, as a means of explaining away this tidbit about TH. But, it has never been reported.
Examples of behavior problem (IMO), hitting, biting, back talking teachers repeatedly, not interacting well with other kids (like not making friends or keeping them), acting out sexually, throwing huge tantrums at age 7, etc. Nothing like that reported about this darling little boy.

I think Kaine has shown incredible restraint towards a woman he thinks took his child away. This is not some family squabble or routine divorce. This is a little boy missing for several weeks. Kaine has shown incredible restraint.
And what he has said doesn't come close to the ugly divorces I am privy to which do not include a missing child. (It's awful, what I hear).

Regarding the criticism of Kaine, I think what annoys some of us is that it appears not be simple criticism or observation, but rather, part of a theory that TH is the innocent victim of a conspiracy of angry exes, ganging up on poor TH. Making Kaine out to be a controlling and angry spouse supports that theory. That bothers me because I have seen nothing to indicate he's just a victim of a crime coming to conclusions that a re reasonable based on what he has observed and been told by LE.
Bottom line, I don't think the guy is perfect at all. I'm sure he has had his moments. But sometimes imperfect people are victims and sometimes people who seemed wonderful commit horrible crimes.

But I agree with you that by itself, this portrait of TH is not an indicator of sociopathy or any other personality disorder for that matter. Things do jump out now due to the context but on their own, these tidbits do not alarm me.

It is interesting though, to those of us off the fence on the side that thinks TH is involved. Trying to see if there were any signs, trying to understand. But otherwise, I do share your feeling that this is peripheral stuff that is not helping to find Kyron (except perhaps by continued publicity). I keep feeling like I should not come back on the Kyron threads until my e-mail alerts tell me there is something new because the lack of real news is frustrating!
I keep coming back though!
 
  • #428
Legally nope.

Child support is paid whether you choose to see your child or not. It is based on income, and I am certain someone around here can pull up the forms for Oregon that will help show this.

See your child is your option, child support is mandatory regardless. ;)

ETA: That is for mom or dad, and if in jail or unemployed, the custodial parent can get support through SSI, or some other form, but still those payments are reduced from said paying parent. Always the Country for the children here in the U.S.

Parenting time is included in Oregon's state child support guidelines. Most states include time as part of support.
 
  • #429
Sorry if this was already mentioned... But does anyone else find it EXTREMELY ODD(to say the least) that according to this article, per J**** that Terri has no cell phone or computer, nor access to either call phone or computer??!!??

When we know that Terri was an avid electronic communicator.. This was one of the several "items of interest" that STOOD OUT to me when reading this??!!...

Does this mean that her atty(as it seems again per J**** that he is saying that it is her atty's instruction to NOT HAVE CELL NOR COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS ALONG WITH ALSO "TO STAY IN THE HOUSE" and keep quiet)Is it per Houze's instruction because of what all she has possibly "added fuel to the fire" of her "appearing" guilty to the masses, by her "questionable"(at best) communications that have come to light(not to mention the communications that have NOT been "leaked" to the public)...

I just am finding it SUPER HARD to believe that this woman who "seemingly" obsessively(reminds me of how LE said that CA was obsessively communicating via various electronic modes[i.e. email and MULTIPLE cell phones also]) .. OT but I do find more and more extreme similarities in TMH and CA(sadly I'm scared it too will reach a similar outcome as CA's child)...

Just wondering if others found this hard to believe and what your thoughts were on this particular issue from this article??..

Another possibility that IMMEDIATELY sprung to mind upon reading this particular info was- Is this what J**** was just being TOLD by Terri to be the case(no communication via cell or computer)? And that it is not necessarily the truth? I pondered what motive there would be for lying about this to him(or possibly to others and it just made its way thru the "grapevine" for J**** to hear this info)? And the thoughts just off the top of my head were #1 pity, #2 look what a martyr I am, an innocent woman willing to suffer thru such inconveniences to clear my name, #3 for it to intentionally get back to the media(thus get back to LE) so they would lay off, thinking she was NO LONGER communicating electronically and her have unknown "new batphone" activated under phoney names&info (thus still attempting to "outwit" LE)...
Just some possibilities that easily came to mind..{By all means I do not claim that any of the latter is fact, rather just speculation given her recent past history}

Anyone else with thoughts on this subject? either way? Am always interested to hear those with complete opposite&opposing view&opinions of mine... But personally I find it very difficult to believe that this is indeed 100% TRUE.. but JMO, though.. :)

I have zero doubt that her attorney set her certain rules and is forcing her to follow them. It's solid lawyering. You can't have a suspect (let's face it, she is one), continuing to cast themselves in a bad light on the cusp of a major crim case against them. TH did enough damage by reportedly ravenous "sexting" at a time she should have been comatose with fear and grief.
 
  • #430
May I also add, to the child support debate, if your income means you can only afford say fifty dollars a month, then that is all you pay. So, don't go wild thinking someone is living off child support, it can be anywhere from one dollar to thousands. Just depends on the income, the amount of children, your bills, and so many more squares to check and accounts to provide. Just saying.

This is not necessarily true either. If your "income potential" is much less than your actual income, you can be ordered to pay based on the potential. (that would include your education and/or past employment)
 
  • #431
Legally nope.

Child support is paid whether you choose to see your child or not. It is based on income, and I am certain someone around here can pull up the forms for Oregon that will help show this.

See your child is your option, child support is mandatory regardless. ;)

ETA: That is for mom or dad, and if in jail or unemployed, the custodial parent can get support through SSI, or some other form, but still those payments are reduced from said paying parent. Always the Country for the children here in the U.S.

Child support is based on income but also on custodial/visitation percentage (of time).
 
  • #432
Interesting. Not that way where I live. I believe it's 30 % for the first child, and then I don't know how the percentages go.

Perhaps you are thinking of custody. If it's 50/50, nobody pays.

But otherwise, it's strictly percentage of income.

That's interesting. Most places I know of it is not that way. People here in CA often think that if it's 50/50 no one pays but that is not true unless both parties have an equal income.
 
  • #433
Parenting time is included in Oregon's state child support guidelines. Most states include time as part of support.

I am not from Oregon. Is that a new law? It seems like a good one. I have never heard of it where I live.

When was that put into effect?
 
  • #434
Since this thread is about TH and her personality, I can finally post some info re: personal experience and reflection.

I know someone who is SO similar to TH it's frightening. A facade of caring; a former teacher; a former actress (bodybuilder?). So "about" kids she tried to turkey-baste heself into pregnancy when, while they were dating, her (present poor schmuck) husband refused to try a reconnect after a vasectomy. It took me 30 years to figure out she was, and still is, deranged.

The individual who was in my life (not now, but until last fall!!!), continually drew me into her dramas. Convinced me she was "done wrong." Took her Dad off of badly needed oxygen for an entire afternoon "to make him more comfortable." He died that evening.

Borderline Personality, NDP. Whatever. If ... if ... TH truly has psychiatric symptoms/issues, none of us can truly understand TH. She's in her own private Idaho.

I so totally agree with you. The signs are in neon after that article about Terri.
 
  • #435
IMO, the comment was a joke. But MIL chooses to assign to it a negative intention, same as she did Terri presenting her with flowers.

Me, too.

Remember when the bumper stickers that said "I'm spending my childrens' inheritance" (or grandchildrens') were so popular. I used to live in an area that had a lot of tourists, and it seemed like every other RV had one of those. And then there were the tee-shirts with the same slogan.

It was a joke shared across the country. Admission--I'm a catalog-holic (although I've cut waaaay back) and I remember when it seemed like every "gift" or general purpose catalog had goods with that joking line on everything imaginable.
 
  • #436
Is it really 11 weeks today since Kyron vanished? I had to count on my fingers several times. It seems impossible. Heartbreaking isn't even strong enough a word for poor Desiree, Kaine too. I don't know how they even get out of bed.

I just can't get over a feeling of dread that this will be a Twilight Zone of a case without an ending of any kind. I hope I am wrong and that things are happening even tonight. :(
 
  • #437
I am not from Oregon. Is that a new law? It seems like a good one. I have never heard of it where I live.

When was that put into effect?

I'm not a lawyer, and don't know when it was put into effect. You can see it for yourself though by filling out the Oregon child support form using their calculator. https://justice.oregon.gov/guidelines/

I do happen to know MANY states use this type of guideline. Maybe not every state; for instance, I did not find (although I did not search hard) for something similar in North Carolina.

ETA: the third page takes into account parenting time
 
  • #438
I am not from Oregon. Is that a new law? It seems like a good one. I have never heard of it where I live.

When was that put into effect?

I've been divorced for nearly 8 years, and it's been the law since then. It's fair, IMO. Especially since my ex doesn't take advantage of the visitation time awarded to him in court. So he pays more. He chooses to support them financially, rather than physically.
 
  • #439
Here's a tweet from the author of this article five hours ago. What's up with this and why the (Gulp)? Any locals see the news at 6?


KGW 8 just came to The Oregonian to talk Terri Moulton Horman in the #Kyron story. Check out the news at 6. (Gulp)


http://twitter.com/LynnePDX
 
  • #440
Here's a tweet from the author of this article five hours ago. What's up with this and why the (Gulp)? Any locals see the news at 6?


KGW 8 just came to The Oregonian to talk Terri Moulton Horman in the #Kyron story. Check out the news at 6. (Gulp)


http://twitter.com/LynnePDX

Seems odd. I can't figure it out.

I REALLY wish something would happen.

A few weeks ago, it felt like something was about to happen; like pressure building before a storm. Now? Feels like the storm passed over, and I have that pent up energy that has yet to be dispersed.

It's time for a resolution. Bring Kyron Home!
 
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