Kyron's doctors appointment

[debs]

To be clear, my point was not to bash the parents, but to ask a legitimate question with regard to how much they put onto Terri for taking care of Kyron and how now it might seem ominous where in reality it was status quo. I find it incredibly telling that Kaine and Desiree continue to speak about how they don't know things regarding their child, as though it was solely upon Terri to inform them, rather than they making inquiries to what's going on in his life.

Parenting is a two-way street.

 

[lorann]

To be clear, my point was not to bash the parents, but to ask a legitimate question with regard to how much they put onto Terri for taking care of Kyron and how now it might seem ominous where in reality it was status quo. I find it incredibly telling that Kaine and Desiree continue to speak about how they don't know things regarding their child, as though it was solely upon Terri to inform them, rather than they making inquiries to what's going on in his life.

Parenting is a two-way street.

My son's second grade teacher talked to me during a parent conference about the possibility of him having ADD and suggested seeing a Pediatric Dr instead of just a GP we used. They were just learning and automatically putting kids on Ritalin - not following up etc. I had custody but did not tell his father about it until after the appointment and he had been taking the meds for a week. Sometimes doctors, teachers and parents have to determine if a kid is really needing medication or if other things are going on. Sometimes a kid is just a hyper kid. My son was one of those and was taken off the meds. If, if there was paperwork to be filled out by his teacher for this appointment, Terri may not have shared this with his parents. His mother being a nurse would have (in my opinion) wanted to be made aware of any upcoming appointments.

 

[ami]

To be clear, my point was not to bash the parents, but to ask a legitimate question with regard to how much they put onto Terri for taking care of Kyron and how now it might seem ominous where in reality it was status quo. I find it incredibly telling that Kaine and Desiree continue to speak about how they don't know things regarding their child, as though it was solely upon Terri to inform them, rather than they making inquiries to what's going on in his life.

Parenting is a two-way street.

We have no idea how much they asked Terri about Kyron and how much she told them. If she was the stay at home mom, then it actually was her responsibility to do the doctors scheduling and mention to Kaine when the appointments were. It would be kind of ridiculous for Kaine to ask at random intervals whether there was or was not a doctor or dentist appointment scheduled... it makes far more sense for the parent who does the scheduling to mention it in conversation.

Co-parents just assume that when something significant happens on the other parent's watch, they'll be told. If Kyron wasn't actively ill and he wasn't in the middle of allergy tests or vaccinations, then why would Kaine even think about Kyron's schedule in terms of doctor's appointments unless Terri brought it up?

 

[gardeness]

I am curious about the media bringing up the dr.'s visit at this point--I'm actually a little leery about their reliability on this one~how did this *now* come up? Why did it take this long for them to focus on this? Very curious...

 

[Donjeta]

That makes sense. But the written story had the quotes placed just as you see in my cut and paste job. I can only hope someone edited them with care. (Often a vain hope!)

ETA It's just occurred to me that this probably is not Ms. Holm quoting her son quoting what his teacher said the day Kyron went missing. I think she is directly quoting the teacher because why would the teacher say "I thought he left with his mom" during the school day BEFORE anyone knew Kyron was missing?

Could she just be quoting the media reports/local rumors that said some teachers thought he left with his mom?

 

[websurfer]

According to Terri’s longtime friend Jaymie Finster, Terri was at the school on Thurs, June 3 and gave the teacher the paperwork for the doctor appointment. I’m curious as to if/when the teacher returned the completed out paperwork to Terri.
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Published: Friday, June 18, 2010, 10:55 PM
Jaymie Finster, a longtime friend, said Horman is "tired and frustrated with the intensity of the questioning she's been getting."

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Finster said Horman had told Kyron's teacher the day before that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment.

Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html

I did not know this.
many people involve innocent people to create a good alibi..:angel:

 

[ClueMeIn]

To be clear, my point was not to bash the parents, but to ask a legitimate question with regard to how much they put onto Terri for taking care of Kyron and how now it might seem ominous where in reality it was status quo. I find it incredibly telling that Kaine and Desiree continue to speak about how they don't know things regarding their child, as though it was solely upon Terri to inform them, rather than they making inquiries to what's going on in his life.

Parenting is a two-way street.

Who is to say Terri wasn't just making stuff up, so Desiree and Kaine are saying they didn't know about something. Maybe she never mentioned the Talent Show. Maybe there never was a doctor's appointment. Or she could have made an appointment, with every intent on not going...well because poor sweet Kyron wouldn't be there...

 

[wondering1]

Looks like everybody's decided Kyron has ADD/ADHD, and that's what the papers were for? What's that based on? All I've seen for medical problems is eyesight and bee allergy.

I certainly haven't decided he *has* add/adhd. I think the suggestion that that's what the paperwork was for is because *paperwork* to be completed by a teacher is typically used for dx'ing that condition, and is not typically required or provided by a teacher for other types of medical appts. When the paperwork issue first came up, some were like *why in the world would the teacher have to complete paperwork for a dr. appt.* and add/adhd eval or similar is the most logical explanation for that. jmoo

 

[Kitkat]

OK. I looked at the gym myth being busted and in that article there is NO REFERENCE by Jaymie Finster to a conversation in the gym.

But this is maybe worse.

Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said.


She doesn't know if the teacher understood her. Now that is really something.

If this is the order of events, it does sound Scott Peterson-esque...

 

[Kitkat]

To be clear, my point was not to bash the parents, but to ask a legitimate question with regard to how much they put onto Terri for taking care of Kyron and how now it might seem ominous where in reality it was status quo. I find it incredibly telling that Kaine and Desiree continue to speak about how they don't know things regarding their child, as though it was solely upon Terri to inform them, rather than they making inquiries to what's going on in his life.

Parenting is a two-way street.

I can see how this can be seen as "parent bashing," as someone else put it. Yes, parenting is a 2 way street... but to suggest that Kaine is not pulling his weight and or is lacking in the parenting department, I think, borders on bashing.

Division of labor in households/families is age-old.

Example: As frustrating as it is, my husband's 1.5 hr commute and incredibly stressful job leaves him *no* bandwidth for remembering the big events in our kids lives, let alone doctors' appointments. The big things don't register for him until they pop up on his computer calendar... that's just the way his life is at this point in time. He's a great, hands on parent, but -I- am the social coordinator and keep him up-to-date with the big stuff. The small stuff I fill him in on after the fact. Just my experience.

 

[titanfan62702]

I did not know this.
many people involve innocent people to create a good alibi..:angel:

"good alibi?"

Why would anyone create a story as alibi that would mean they took the child out of the school the day they were planning for him to go missing?

 

[ami]

"good alibi?"

Why would anyone create a story as alibi that would mean they took the child out of the school the day they were planning for him to go missing?

The alibi for the day of June 4th as far as the school was concerned was the doctor's appointment. The alibi to the police was that the partially deaf teacher didn't hear her correctly about the doctor's appointment and that she left Kyron safely at school.

 

[xin]

The alibi for the day of June 4th as far as the school was concerned was the doctor's appointment. The alibi to the police was that the partially deaf teacher didn't hear her correctly about the doctor's appointment and that she left Kyron safely at school.

We've not heard any sort of confirmation about any teacher being *partially deaf* have we--?. You are right to try to keep track of the confusion and conflict in these various shaky alibi stories.

 

[ami]

We've not heard any sort of confirmation about any teacher being *partially deaf* have we--?. You are right to try to keep track of the confusion and conflict in these various shaky alibi stories.

Not sure if the partially deaf issue was verified, but I believe there was a quote in a MSM article from someone saying that TMH said the teacher was partially deaf and therefore might not have understood her.

Heh, like that really cleared things up...

 

[Kat]

You know I sat and thought about this dr. appt issue.

IF (big if) TMH deliberately mislead anyone at the school that morning to think that Kyron had a dr. appt that day. IF she told Kyron that morning before school, let's drop off your project and I'll take you to the dr. and then take you back to school so you won't miss the talent show---
IF Kyron told his buddy that morning he was going to the dr. with is Mom.

That shows premeditation. JMHO and all speculation. (also IMHO pretty darn smart move if you have the intention to do harm to a child) <---ETA.

 

[wondering1]

You know I sat and thought about this dr. appt issue.

IF (big if) TMH deliberately mislead anyone at the school that morning to think that Kyron had a dr. appt that day. IF she told Kyron that morning before school, let's drop off your project and I'll take you to the dr. and then take you back to school so you won't miss the talent show---
IF Kyron told his buddy that morning he was going to the dr. with is Mom.

That shows premeditation. JMHO and all speculation. (also IMHO pretty darn smart move if you have the intention to do harm to a child) <---ETA.

jmo, but that seems to have been the whole point of the issue from the very start, no? Why would there have been rumors about it from the get go if it hadn't come up as an issue right away for th, family, friends, and the COPO? I don't think anyone would have been *rumoring* it if it hadn't been one of the questions focused on by LE from day one. Personally, the conflict between thie dr. appt. *rumor* (now msm, I guess) and TP's account of the day (teacher said Kyron went to the restroom or to get a drink) has been one of only a couple of qualms I have about who is responsible since the beginning.

 

[nosysw]

I can see how this can be seen as "parent bashing," as someone else put it. Yes, parenting is a 2 way street... but to suggest that Kaine is not pulling his weight and or is lacking in the parenting department, I think, borders on bashing.

Division of labor in households/families is age-old.

Example: As frustrating as it is, my husband's 1.5 hr commute and incredibly stressful job leaves him *no* bandwidth for remembering the big events in our kids lives, let alone doctors' appointments. The big things don't register for him until they pop up on his computer calendar... that's just the way his life is at this point in time. He's a great, hands on parent, but -I- am the social coordinator and keep him up-to-date with the big stuff. The small stuff I fill him in on after the fact. Just my experience.

i wouldn't suggest kh is not pulling his weight. yes, the at-home parent takes on a lot of the responsiblity with some things discussed on a "when you need to know" basis...

i do agree with others that the most common paperwork for a teacher to fill out about a child would be regarding ADD (as it needs to be documented in 3 arenas: home, school, doctor's office)...this does not necessarily mean that kyron had it, just that it might be a possibility.

my oldest son has add and when I took him to be evaluated both my husband (his stepfather) and his bio dad were made aware of it...that is how it should be- a stepparent may help with appointments but should not be making medical decisions for a child (add is a medical condition) without input from both bio parents.

truth be told, the school should not even really be addressing this with the stepparent without speaking to bio parents (not to say they did)...I work as a social worker for special education in a school so i know whereof i speak...both a school AND a doctor's office would face a potentially huge liability diagnosing and/or treating a child for this w/o input AND consent from bio parents....

 

[Chewy]

I have been watching a lot of 48 hours over the last few days and there are several cases where someone really is innocent but they are so suspected that they shut down and their demeanor is what causes people to convict them. So even though I kinda do think Terri was involved I'd like to put this theory out there.

I've read that several people thought Kyron had a doctor's appointment that day. Even his classmates.

Now to play devil's advocate for a second what if someone said to Kyron "I thought you were going to the doctor Kyron?" And he remembered it wrong because HE was the one who was telling people (meaning his peers) about it.

What if he ran outside thinking Terri was waiting for him but she had already left. Then he was abducted by a stranger?

Any thoughts on this?

 

[BeanE]

I have been watching a lot of 48 hours over the last few days and there are several cases where someone really is innocent but they are so suspected that they shut down and their demeanor is what causes people to convict them. So even though I kinda do think Terri was involved I'd like to put this theory out there.

I've read that several people thought Kyron had a doctor's appointment that day. Even his classmates.

Now to play devil's advocate for a second what if someone said to Kyron "I thought you were going to the doctor Kyron?" And he remembered it wrong because HE was the one who was telling people (meaning his peers) about it.

What if he ran outside thinking Terri was waiting for him but she had already left. Then he was abducted by a stranger?

Any thoughts on this?

Slightly O/T but certainly related. I've been trying to find any news article or video that states that Kyron told the older classmate K that he had a doctor's appointment. I've seen it posted here and on the net several times, but I've been unable to find a reference for it. Would much appreciate if anyone can help me.

TIA!

 

[gwenabob]

Slightly O/T but certainly related. I've been trying to find any news article or video that states that Kyron told the older classmate K that he had a doctor's appointment. I've seen it posted here and on the net several times, but I've been unable to find a reference for it. Would much appreciate if anyone can help me.

TIA!

I remember it as the classmate K, (the boy whose picture TH took that morning as well, not TP) whose mother, K was interviewed on the news. The boy said he had known all day that Kyron had been gone at the doctor. Is that what you are thinking of?