Kyron's parents' statements, interviews

[Donjeta]

If an appointment is rescheduled or canceled, would you even know it had been in the system? My understanding is it clears out the field for the next name?

It depends... the receptionist at the last place I used to work in remembered everything
And there was a handwritten appointment diary for the rest of us

 

[DairyGirl]

I would also like the question of the talent show to be cleared up because the timing doesn't make any sense to me. Did the school really open early that morning with the public being invited to attend the Science Fair, then expect the parents to come back to the school in the afternoon to attend the talent show? I saw a pic of the school sign someone had posted (photobucket) or in an news article. The Science Fair was listed on the sign, but the talent show was not.

Maybe I am nitpicking, but details are important. Heck, where did the info about the talent show even come from, and were very many parents even there?

MOO

Friday, June 4

8 a.m. Skyline Elementary, 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., opens early so students and parents can tour the science fair. A billboard outside reads: "June 4, I.B. Inquiry Expo, 8-10, Talent show, 1-2:45." Kyron was to take part in both the expo/science fair and the talent show.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

It was advertised on the billboard outside the school that day.

 

[butwhatif?]

We now know Terri was home with the baby when Kaine came home at 1:45 (and on her laptop) until the bus came.

No babysitter. Terri home. With Baby. Interesting.

I'm glad that afternoon was cleared up, but I still want to know where the baby was in the morning. It's driving me nuts :banghead:

 

[Donjeta]

Here's what I think: Semantics.

Q: Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor’s appt.?

A: KAINE – There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain.

BBM. It was unknown - but it is no longer.

 

[For The Kids]

:waitasec:

so we found it weird that step mom wouldnt come see him in the talent show but it's ok for dad to skip the science fair?

yeah i know. cant stay away. this is like the train wreck that keeps on going.

Kaine works though to support the family. Terri doesnt and was therefore able to make day time school events easier than him.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Basically from now on any question that isn't answered directly or receives a 'no comment' is all we're interested in right?

 

[GrainneDhu]

Big difference , IMO. Dad had to go into the office to work, (at least in the am), while Terri was a SAHM.

I still can't figure out why, if the two of them were home in the afternoon, kyron was expected to get the bus home ....especially if he needed to bring the science fair project home at some point, and Dad said he wanted to celebrate with Kyron for a job well done, so I see your point about dad.

If the baby was sleeping, one of them could have still gone to pick him up.

Without getting into the good parent/bad parent debate, I'd like to say I consider being a SAHM an unpaid job. My job is to be wherever my kids need me, whenever they need me. (and sometimes even when they don't want me around lol)
So even if there is a bus that could take my child to and from school, I would walk or drive to get them because I CAN, and because I see that as part of my JOB as a SAHM.
Keep in mind I have 'issues' with SAHM's who dump their kids elsewhere to do shopping, run errands etc, so I'm projecting a 'lil. I guess I would be considered an overprotective, helicopter mom

As sofia noted in the post below yours, context and patterns matter. Was this in some way unusual for Kyron's family? If so, in what way?

Plus, as sofia noted, being consistent about taking the bus is often the best policy with young children, so that their after schools don't turn into a bunch of miscommunications.

I could easily see an argument for having Kyron take the bus every day. By all accounts, he was a timid, easily frightened and not independent child. Having him take the bus every day would be a safe, age appropriate way for him to practise being accountable, negotiating an environment without his parents right there and in general practising a little independence.

Some little birds have to be restrained from trying to dive out of the nest too soon and other little birds have to be ever-so-gently given a little encouragement to try their wings.

 

[Bobbisangel]

what the heck? he sure seemed to imply LE is lying about the cooperation.

not a smart move imo kaine....you want LE to get it done keep your mouth shut about them

That isn't what he said. He said that she cooperated in the beginning but hasn't been cooperating lately. He didn't call LE a liar and that is rude to say he should keep his mouth shut. He showed the upmost respect for LE in the email and seems to feel that they are doing everything that they can to find his son.

 

[Bobbisangel]

this whole thing stinks to me though. i dont know, some people complained the parents werent talking enough at the beginning.

now i wish they'd shut up. seriously i dont know what the point of that was other then to make sure he had an alibi and throw terri under the bus again

It seems that he answered questions that a lot of people had wondered about. I can't think of anything that he said that could have been taken for throwing Terri under the bus and making sure he had an alibi. He obviously he did have an alibi but it doesn't seem that he has even been suspected by LE.
Terri might have thrown herself under the bus if it is proven that she offered to pay someone a large amount of money to get rid of her husband. I like the fact that the husband and bio mother are doing the email thing a couple times a week. Keeps the gossip down and answers some of our questions. Otherwise we wait and wait for LE to give us a little snippit of info.

 

[Bobbisangel]

While I understand that, they aren't the ones answering the question, Kaine is. Maybe there is some unknown reason for the vague answer regarding the appt? Lawd knows this case is unlike any other I have followed.

I don't know many men who know when their kids have a doc or dentist appt. The wife makes the appts and she takes the child to it. Dad usually finds out after the fact. He could know ahead of time if the child brings the appt to his attention. Most dads don't concern themselves with the children's reg appts though. It's a job that mom takes care of.

 

[revampz]

The problem is tho..Terri could have told the teacher there was an appointment for one day and it was another..and then claimed the teacher misheard she got the wrong date because she supposedly had hearing problems...which would then lead confusion because they have the teachers version versus Terris version.

MOO

and alot of us are thinking that this was her intention!!!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

and alot of us are thinking that this was her intention!!!

....also interesting is that it was mentioned again via Terri that the teacher was hard of hearing...

"Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said."

http://jocosarblog.typepad.com/joco...arancepublished-friday-june-18-2010-1055.html

Which only makes the whole thing more suspicious and deliberate. IMO

 

[AbbieNormal]

....also interesting is that it was mentioned again via Terri that the teacher was hard of hearing...

"Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said."

http://jocosarblog.typepad.com/joco...arancepublished-friday-june-18-2010-1055.html

Which only makes the whole thing more suspicious and deliberate. IMO

I fail to see why Terri thought it was necessary to say that the "teacher was new, it was her first year of teaching, and then that she was hard of hearing. It feels like a barb to me, like Terri has "so much teaching experience" she feels its necessary to mention the teacher was new. It was the end of the school year, the teacher had a year of teaching under her belt, and the fact that she was new and it was her first year had no bearing on her ability to receive information about a supposed drs appt for Kyron. Her hard of hearing status might affect her ability to have heard Terri. Terri should have "known better" than to give such (trivial, IMO) information to a teacher on such a busy day. A note sent to school with Kyron on Monday would have been sufficient, if the teacher had to fill out any papers for Kyrons appointment. Otherwise I never notified my kids teachers ahead of time, necessairly, I just brought them to school late with a note or picked them up early for their appointment. JMO.

eta: Terri's telling the teacher Kyron had an appt for the following week feels more to me like Terri telling the teacher "anything" to reinforce in teachers mind that Terri was there with Kyron that morning. Forming an alibi for herself, in other words.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I fail to see why Terri thought it was necessary to say that the "teacher was new, it was her first year of teaching, and then that she was hard of hearing. It feels like a barb to me, like Terri has "so much teaching experience" she feels its necessary to mention the teacher was new. It was the end of the school year, the teacher had a year of teaching under her belt, and the fact that she was new and it was her first year had no bearing on her ability to receive information about a supposed drs appt for Kyron. Her hard of hearing status might affect her ability to have heard Terri. Terri should have "known better" than to give such (trivial, IMO) information to a teacher on such a busy day. A note sent to school with Kyron on Monday would have been sufficient, if the teacher had to fill out any papers for Kyrons appointment. Otherwise I never notified my kids teachers ahead of time, necessairly, I just brought them to school late with a note or picked them up early for their appointment. JMO.

eta: Terri's telling the teacher Kyron had an appt for the following week feels more to me like Terri telling the teacher "anything" to reinforce in teachers mind that Terri was there with Kyron that morning. Forming an alibi for herself, in other words.

Agree...It's a put-down, an excuse, and too much information...all rolled into one statement.

 

[PaulaF513]

Now I am going to speak up and choose a position. I wanted to wait until I was sure. Needed more indicators and got that tonight after reading the family question and answers.

The SM has to be involved somehow. She has to be.

The division in the family is one indicator. The story about the plot to "harm" the husband and neither LE or the Horman three will deny this story is a rumor or way off base when asked. They don't confirm the report...but they do not DENY it either. If in fact that story are way off in left field, not even in the ball park, I would think between the two sets of people (LE and Horman three) someone would say "no way" any of this is true. There is no logical reason to let damaging rumors that make front page news fly in the community. I think the media hit a bullseye with breaking that story.

The Horman three re-clarified tonight and restated about the co-op issues with TH. Their statement tonight went deeper than what LE has released in the past. Sheds a bit more light...on the details of just what "coop" has been.

Then there is TH who is completely missing now from any public comment except for being caught posting something on KATU's site last week. Granted she has a lawyer now and they do communicate in a restricted way....but if she was innocent and none of the stuff coming out is true...again in not in the ball park...why would you NOT release at least something via email or fax from your lawyer to media very briefly that says...(none of what is being said about me is true...I will not comment on it any further-there is no need..and please keep looking for Kyron???)

If a person is innocent they would not stick their head in the sand like this and hide with all these damaging accusations coming out. That is not normal. If a horrible flat out lie came about me on the front page of Oregon's major newspaper...yep I would be saying something.

The stepmom could try to hide behind "it was too difficult to speak out" or "I was devestated by KH missing"...the first couple of weeks into this I would have bought that as a reason for remaining so quiet...but not now especially after the rest of the family has spoken multiple times....no way. This looks so bad in the public eye(the community which could possibly pull a jury from later on)...and I do not know who is advising the SM before and with the lawyer now but I hope they are worth it.
I am all for LE...I support you...FIND KYRON...and FIND THE PEOPLE who are involved in this. That poor kid after thinking about how innocent an 8 year old mind is..... No kid deserves to go missing for a day let alone this long. Sad. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

I think TH has not spoken publically because she was instructed to remain quiet. I believe the PCs were orchestrated under LE's direction and a SM would be LE's first suspect in this particular set of circumstances.

My personal opinion about this is that (without assuming TH did or did not so something terrible to Kyron), it must have been extremely difficult for her to remain silent while DY took the position as the grieving mother. Let's remember that TH had the role of primary caregiver to Kyron since infancy. DY remained satisfied with weekend visits every few weeks. TH was there for Kyron's daily activities, including helping him with his school projects, taking him to doctor's appointments and seeing to his mundane daily needs. If she is innocent of causing his disappearance, she has been badly treated here.

I think her silence is probably the main reason people believe her to be the culprit here. We never heard her voice, never had the opportunity to gauge her depth or lack of feeling regarding Kyron. By forcing her to remain silent, either LE or KH made her a suspicious figure in the public's view. And yet, in the earliest reports about the case, it was stated "Kyron loved her..". Why would he not, after all, she was a mother to him, a full time mother.

 

[butwhatif?]

I think if a person felt that way, then it would be suspicious if they didn't pick the child up from school. That's why LE look at patterns of behavior, and search for divergences from routine. But thousands of SAHM across America let their children take the bus home from school, and there is no malicious design in it. Kind of like how some SAHMs believe it's their job to cook every meal from scratch (no prepared foods), so for them it would have to be out of neglect or some emergency that they would feed the family Tuna Helper or pizza. But if another family doesn't care about that kind of thing and eats Tuna Helper frequently, the act of feeding the kids Tuna Helper on the day something bad happened would have no significance at all.

In the case of Kyron, it sounds like it was perfectly normal for him to take the bus to/from school.

ETA: I should also add, it can be very confusing to pick the child up from school some days but not others. My parents would try that with me some days when I was young, and it didn't always work out well. Sometimes I would miss the school bus because I'd think they were picking me up that day, or I would board the bus because I didn't get the message that they were coming to get me. Once I even got the message that they were coming to get me from a teacher who was mistaken, so I stood outside the school waiting for them, and when they didn't show, decided to walk home (I was 9 years old). They were, of course, waiting for me at the bus stop, and when I wasn't on it, they flipped out, and were driving all around town looking for me. After that they stopped messing about with that sort of thing and told me I should get on the bus every day. Consistency tends to work best with little kids.

Just to clarify, over here in Oz, we don't have the same school bus system that seems so common in the US....so it's harder to wrap my head around. Not just in this case, but others I have followed on WS. It's just not the norm in my neck of the woods, so I'm not judging, just haven't lived it myself, so harder to understand, KWIM?

I rode to school everyday on the public bus (no school bus) and I wished so hard that my mum didn't work, and she could be there to pick me up, and be there at school for all the special events. Which is why I made the decision to be a SAHM....and why I take the role very seriously.

But my point was on THIS SPECIAL day, when BOTH parents were available to pick him and his project up, I just don't understand why they wouldn't....even if the bus is the most common way of getting home from school. She drove him there....why couldn't one of them pick him up? Especially if they had some type of mini-celebration planned.

OT (again-sorry) but my hubby picks up DD from school maybe once every couple of months....and she gets the biggest thrill out of it. That alone is a huge suprise and special occasion.
The kind that I think Kyron deserved for all his hard work on his project. And which could have provided Kaine with the opportunity to actually see the project set up at school, even though he missed it in the AM.

I hadn't put much thought into Kaine, but this is one point I find a little odd.
(again, maybe because I just don't 'get' the school bus thing)
JMO

 

[For The Kids]

I think TH has not spoken publically because she was instructed to remain quiet. I believe the PCs were orchestrated under LE's direction and a SM would be LE's first suspect in this particular set of circumstances.

My personal opinion about this is that (without assuming TH did or did not so something terrible to Kyron), it must have been extremely difficult for her to remain silent while DY took the position as the grieving mother. Let's remember that TH had the role of primary caregiver to Kyron since infancy. DY remained satisfied with weekend visits every few weeks. TH was there for Kyron's daily activities, including helping him with his school projects, taking him to doctor's appointments and seeing to his mundane daily needs. If she is innocent of causing his disappearance, she has been badly treated here.

I think her silence is probably the main reason people believe her to be the culprit here. We never heard her voice, never had the opportunity to gauge her depth or lack of feeling regarding Kyron. By forcing her to remain silent, either LE or KH made her a suspicious figure in the public's view. And yet, in the earliest reports about the case, it was stated "Kyron loved her..". Why would he not, after all, she was a mother to him, a full time mother.

However...Desiree was STILL Kyrons birth mother. Kyron saw his mother every other weekend and spent holidays with her. They still had a lot of access to each other. And I am sure they would speak on the phone in between the visits and even on the computer maybe.

I am a step mother. In the event i was ever in the horrific situation these people are in..I would fully understand that the childrens mother would take the place as the grieving mother because quite simply thats what she is. The mother. She is the one who gave birth to them and because the children possibly doesnt live with her doesnt mean she doesnt love them any less.

Incidentally..i dont know about her not talking out - she seemed to do plenty through her friends and family and IMO this has damaged her a lot.

MOO

 

[Wrinkles]

this whole thing stinks to me though. i dont know, some people complained the parents werent talking enough at the beginning.

now i wish they'd shut up. seriously i dont know what the point of that was other then to make sure he had an alibi and throw terri under the bus again

For me, if Terri is under the bus, it is because she placed herself there, not because anyone has thrown her there.

 

[babiigwen]

A lurker coming out.I just wanted to put this out there, that here in ny your child has the science fair in the evening also so it gives all a chance to view the projects and may go on for a few days.which means that kyron could take the bus home.the kids would take home projects in a few days.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

:Welcome-12-june:

A lurker coming out.I just wanted to put this out there, that here in ny your child has the science fair in the evening also so it gives all a chance to view the projects and may go on for a few days.which means that kyron could take the bus home.the kids would take home projects in a few days.

:Welcome-12-june: