Kyron's parents' statements, interviews

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bbm

Kaine: So that stuff that we've shared through announcements, it's from her.

Desiree: Yeah. Correct. Yeah.


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I don't know if I believe these statements were meant to be interpreted as that Kaine & Desiree have not been briefed by LE about Terri having timeline inconsistencies and cell-pinging on Sauvie Island problems. Have they not been briefed on MC sextings, and more recently, warrants served on Terri's friends and Dede not cooperating? Certainly Kaine was briefed about MFH. The letter to Dede said they'd just been briefed by LE that Dede was withholding info. (IIRC). And both Kaine, Desiree & Tony speak often of being briefed on the case.

I would need to review the transcript. Agree it would be interesting for a reporter to review with Kaine & Desiree from what source they've learned various details of the investigation.

Former Multanomah Captain Bruce McCain (retired LE) has noted that LE is using Kaine as a spokesperson and that particular former LE said he did not think it was a good idea.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyrons-mom-terri-horman-stashed-missing-oregon-boy/story?id=11266651

But police said little about their investigation, leaving most of the talking once again, to Kyron's parents, Young and father Kaine Horman. The supposed press conference that promised more information on the investigation abruptly ended with no further comment from police and no chance for questions.

Bruce McCain, a retired captain with the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, accused authorities of using Kyron's family as "stage props."

"They're using Kaine Horman as their de-facto public information officer and he's got enough on his plate," he said.
 
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FWIW, it's been a word I have seen used around these boards as long as I have been here, which, admittedly, hasn't been very long. I've always taken it as meaning "participant" (not perp, etc, without connotations of innocence or guilt, etc.), and have not taken offence to it.

However, since I see it bothers some so much, I will try to be more sensitive when using it myself.

That's probably a good idea, since in American slang "player" means someone involved in a scheme, manipulation, or illegal activity. Calling the family of a victim "players" can be taken to mean they are active participants instead of passive victims, especially if after calling them "players" you state something like, "Give 'em enough rope . . ."
 
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BBM
Maybe the gardener wanted to plea down a charge of some kind. Seems to me a story like the one he gave would do the trick. moo mho

Gosh eyes4crimes, you might be right. I have no experience, just faith in LE that wants to think LE would not be be duped like this - or that they'd never permit plea-bargaining over such critical information.

The fallout from the MFH is enormous - to Kyron's investigation, and to his entire family.

It better darn well be the real story. IMO
 
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You know, I hate the words bash and bashing. It's like they automatically start chit. Our mods do a great job around here and ANY post that is blatantly bashing gets axed. This is a grown up board. Just because someone has a different viewpoint than you, does not mean the other person is bashing anyone. We go through this on every case and it gets old.
 
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OK I'm seeing some questions about the terms Player vs. Victim.

The mods of the Kyron Forum refer to Players, POI, Suspects as the people that may be involved in the focus of the investigation. They are the people you may sleuth.

Victims are those that have not been named in MSM as suspected of being culpable. They are the family the loved ones who at the present time are not noted in MSM as being suspected of wrong doing.

These Victims we do not sleuth. We allow some discussion when they make public statement but they are not considered players.
 
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OK I'm seeing some questions about the terms Player vs. Victim.

The mods of the Kyron Forum refer to Players, POI, Suspects as the people that may be involved in the focus of the investigation. There are the people you may sleuth.

Victims are those that have not been named in MSM as suspected of being culpable. They are the family the loved ones who at the present time are not noted in MSM as being suspected of wrong doing.

These Victims we do not sleuth. We allow some discussion when they make public statement but they are not considered players.

Thank you.
 
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From what I've seen, maybe one other person besides me even questioned it. Obviously just something I missed. My bad..:blushing:

It's perfectly alright to question the sensitivity behind the words we use. I am happy to give it a thought or two, so thank you for expressing your concerns.


ETA: Just saw grandmaj's post, so I'm glad that's cleared up.
 
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FWIW, it's been a word I have seen used around these boards as long as I have been here, which, admittedly, hasn't been very long. I've always taken it as meaning "participant" (not perp, etc, without connotations of innocence or guilt, etc.), and have not taken offence to it.

However, since I see it bothers some so much, I will try to be more sensitive when using it myself.

Same with me. Used all over the forums and threads to simply mean person involved in some way in the case. No other meaning to it. Certainly not disparaging. I had no idea it had any other meaning. I'll have to find another word to use.
 
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You know, I used to think this board was a pro-victim board; however, I'm not really seeing that anymore, not only on this case but several more here. I guess I can see why I have been a member here for 6 years and haven't logged 500 posts. It's easy to sit back and complain about people and their behaviors, and to be able to dissect every single thing that you see or hear from them but until you've walked in their shoes, then maybe you should offer them a little bit of respect and a little bit of courtesy. Kaine and Desiree are Kyron's parents and they deserve a little bit of respect and they deserve sympathy, they've lost their son. Who cares what Desiree looks like now as opposed to how she looked in the beginning. Does that have any bearing at all on where Kyron is at? I can only hope that none of you ever have a child go missing because I don't think any of you could stand up to the intense scrutiny that happens on this board. They don't owe us anything, nothing, nada. If you don't want to hear what they say, there is a simple remedy to that, don't listen, watch, or read. When Kaine and Desiree were not addressing the media, you were all on a witchunt because they weren't talking and now that they are, you're doing the same thing. I guess I just don't get how easy it is to sit back and bash, and bash, and bash these people. What I see are two people who are desperate to find their son and who loved their son deeply. I don't care that Desiree didn't make Kyron's bed or put his toys away. I don't care that Kaine screwed around on Desiree when she was pregnant. I don't care that Desiree wears her hair curly one day or straight the next. I don't care that Kaine didn't notice Terri's drinking. I don't care that Kaine was completely oblivious to his wife's routine at home when he wasn't there. I don't care that he butted heads with his stepson. I don't care that there was only one picture of Kyron hung in Desiree's home. None of these things are important in the great scheme of things. Kyron is missing. They want their son back. That is the important thing and all of that falls by the wayside. JMO.

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Glad you posted. :)
It does get draggie-downed and extra grumpy feeling from time to time as we wait and wonder what is going on. I get very sad too, and don't understand some approaches to problem solving. Others have posted to say maybe they'll have a little break. Maybe I will too. Experienced WSers know that's a great strategy.

Maybe fellow posters on the board need time to time to consider, process & recover from what many felt was a strange interview yesterday. Back & forth conversation on this board helps with that process. Some posters say they learn a lot from the observations you mention above. They learn a lot about what may have motivated Terri, if indeed she is the perp. Understanding the psychology and behavior stuff is important to some here. It doesn't have to be important to all.

I feel like this thread has grown softer overnight in reaction to the interview. Speaking for myself only, I feel I've processed quite a bit with the help and observations of my posting partners here. I have a smaller headache this morning, thanks to the discussions here. :crazy:

We all bring different views and focus and values to this virtual forum to share. We all may seek a different understanding. The one unifying theme for all of us - we are here with hopes for Kyron's recovery & justice. That's not a bad thing.

JMHO
 
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Gosh eyes4crimes, you might be right. I have no experience, just faith in LE that wants to think LE would not be be duped like this - or that they'd never permit plea-bargaining over such critical information.

The fallout from the MFH is enormous - to Kyron's investigation, and to his entire family.

It better darn well be the real story. IMO

Good points, Emma, but LE does use "leverage" in even murder cases to get someone to say something. They'll bargain to get information or a confession.

Which is why attorneys will often ask jail mates, or convicted felons, if they've been promised anything in return for their testimony during a trial.

So yea, I think that if the LS had a problem with the law, they would have bargained with him--especially as badly as they wanted that misguided (mild term) sting to find something.
 
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I only felt more compassion for these parents after this audio. I did not see them employed in character assination of Terri at all. What I saw were two parents who were being asked questions and some of the answers were frank and honest. Difficult to hear maybe, but I believe they were honest.

I believe that in a marriage it takes 2 people with the will and the ability to open up to each other in order make that marriage work. There are people who shut down when confronted with problems in personal relationships. It isn't that they are unable to love, just unable to perhaps feel rejection. And let's face it every marriage has points when things become stale because we tend to start devoting more time to kids, work, crime boards :biggrin: .... I think Kaine may be one of those people who shuts down. And he might have been with the wrong mate because Terri appears to need constant stimulation and adoration. Oil and Vinegar. That doesn't make Kaine a bad man. He is what he is, and perhaps needs the kind of mate that will say no don't shut down let's talk this through. And instead maybe he is with someone who is saying I need, I want, I deserve.

Kaine talked about the liquor problem back in the time around 2005..... the current liquor question? He qualified that saying that recently a couple of friends came to him and told him that their liquor supply was down following visits from Kaine and Terri. Let's not miss some of his statements in this regard. He isn't saying this has been going on for 7 years. He said he learned recently from friends this could be an issue. Alcoholics can be very sneaky.

What I'm getting is a picture that Kaine did his thing, Terri did hers and there wasn't a strong US. I wouldn't even hazard to guess how many couples live like this all of their married lives. But, most spouses don't try to take a hit out on their spouse. Just because the sting didn't work doesn't mean it didn't happen. And LE felt strongly enough about the possibility to warn Kaine to get out of that house with K. That tells me there is more to it. Kaine didn't want to believe it. He had to be convinced. He was carrying on like he always had. Until the facts slapped him right between the eyes. He is probably feeling so much guilt and remorse right now for being blind to things that now in retrospect he is suddenly seeing with different eyes.

The fact that Kaine and Desiree said several times during the interview we cannot discuss it, because it has to do with the investigation is a strong indication that indeed they are working with Law Enforcement and some things have been shared.

The Dede thing. I have friends that I have made who have never been to my home. They are people who I work with or have met through business who my husband hears me refer to. He has met some a few times others he has never met. They are work friendships and in that I'm in a profession totally different than most people, he has really nothing in common with these friends. So my husband's answer might be very similar if asked about my friends. There is nothing suspicious about that especially if this is a bud of Terri's from the gym or gardening or met through a mutual friend. Unless I hear more I don't see Kaine not knowing about her as a red flag.

Why won't Kaine tell where he met Terri? I guess it is none of anyone's business. Kaine and Desiree have apprarently talked this over and decided what they are going to share and what they feel has no bearing. I don't see it as a negative. They are not the people that LE has focused on.

This couple has shared more than most victims have shared in any case I have followed. If this couple had not been willing to put their own human failings out there, we might be sitting here with a empty forum with no threads. Because the information we are gleaning is from this couple. Yes some of it personal but more of it is what they know to be true based on their observations. I have a choice to believe it at face value or I can say based on my life experience there has to be more.

But more importantly here, Terri could have at any time issued statements. She could have participated with the family in efforts to cooperate fully with LE no matter what it took out of her. I don't believe for a minute that Kaine told her to be quiet. She is alleged to have tried to have him killed. So now I'm to believe that if Kaine told her not to talk she wouldn't? NOPE. FB, sexting, texting, I think she was doing plenty of talking. Just not about Kyron. Instead she made it all about her, the persecution was was feeling because LE was being forceful with her. She whined about failing LD's. Her cell phone pings. She didn't make any effort to assist in the familys plans each day to get the word out and move mountains to bring Kyron home. IMO if you have nothing to hide you suck it up and make it about Kyron and not all about you. The way Kaine and Desiree have. Yes even having to share your faults.

NOPE instead in walks M. Cook. Terri was once again the center of her own world. Well yes she is. She is the center of a very serious investigation. Her world may just be all about her and only her in the future.

The fact is there is a Grand Jury seated. Do they have evidence enough to indict and then prosecute Terri? We will know soon. And maybe then some facts will come to light.

I hope for Kyron's sake and the sake of the family of victims that have been subjected to the cruelty of taking their child away, that this is soon over for them. They can't take much more from the looks of Desiree yesterday.

ETA the comment about spending time on the crime boards was a self-infliction joke on myself. I think it is time to take my hubby out for a date soon.
Grandma, again ITA with you. I saw nothing wrong with their audio interview. I am glad I am not alone in my opinion of that. Beautiful post and hit on everything that I personally believe at this point as well.
 
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that is so beautifully written that I want to quote it at the top of every page.

Really. Wow.

Yup. Aren't we lucky? That's our Grandmaj! :biggrin:

She's so good she makes me crazy sometimes. :blowkiss:

I reserve the right to continue to observe and reflect upon the ongoing introspection, unveiling of secrets and conflicting statements between all of these interviews. ;)

But Grandmaj is right in saying these folks, very likely, are only human.
 
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Considering possible target audience(s) for yesterday's taping for the Oregonian (the Largest local circulation,etc.)

The target audience wasn't us. (Obviously). No new information about Kyron.

But, when the reporter asked Kaine & Desiree directly why they feel others could be involved or know what happened to Kyron, and if they felt Dede was involved, Kaine sidestepped a little. The answer was something like this: over the years they have learned how Terri operates. Terri didn't necessarily tell someone the whole truth, but she may have told many different people a part of the truth - and those people do not realize that they might know something helpful or important to finding Kyron. Upon taking all these pieces of the truth and considering them together, they contend they believe it will be helpful in figuring out the real truth.

Sadly, they are begging for even tidbits. They are repainting the picture of Terri for anyone who might be withholding information - so that they will come forward with anything - even a small thing.

Message for any of Terri's friends and associates: Here's the REAL Terri. She lies. She fooled us. She lied to you. She fooled you. Think about what you know and tell us and help us find Kyron. (This may include Dede & her counsel...)

Message for any actual accomplices, or those with knowledge of accomplices and/or those holding Kyron: Here's the REAL Terri. She lies. She fooled us. She lied to you. She fooled you. You are helping her based upon her lies. Tell us what you know. Help bring Kyron home.

Message for Terri's Legal Team: Here's what you are dealing with. An accomplished liar. A complicated, layered and sick person who may also be an addict. Handle with care. Help Terri bring Kyron home.

JMHO - another possible context for the interview objectives of Team Kyron.

I would agree with that if they had talked exclusively about Terri's relationship with Kyron and why they have questions. Instead, it seems as though they want dirt to further present a defense on why Kaine should be allowed a divorce without having to give anything to Terri. It was just the weirdest plea for a child.......oh wait. that's right. They didn't plea for their child.
 
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Why did DY not have a picture up of her other son on the wall next to Kyron's picture in the hallway?

She did..it was down the wall further on the same side....additionally there were two other pictures on the opposite wall that I couldnt make out


I have in depth knowledge of this topic and I will porinse you that when news shows come to your home they move and shift a lot of your belongings to fit their story...its a lot more staged than it looks

additonally, it is very possible that DY requested her other childs picture NOT be shown and took it down...most people want to shelter thier children from media attn....
 
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I would agree with that if they had talked exclusively about Terri's relationship with Kyron and why they have questions. Instead, it seems as though they want dirt to further present a defense on why Kaine should be allowed a divorce without having to give anything to Terri. It was just the weirdest plea for a child.......oh wait. that's right. They didn't plea for their child.

I think the reporter also BLEW that opportunity, myself.

Desiree has touched upon Kyron's recent unhappiness. It's possible Kaine was oblivious to this as well. Perhaps he doesn't realize his introspection about all he missed relative to Terri's signals should include what he observed about the children. But it's hard to observe things when you're oblivious. Also, what a tough thing to admit. When Desiree tries to go there and explore why Kyron was crying more, Kaine throws up the defense. It's been interesting to me to watch Desiree at work breaking down his defenses and general denial about what was really going on in Terri's life, and the home life in general.

IMO - Kaine is changing before our eyes - I feel they've got some good counseling going on. Hope I'm right about that feeling. He kind of reminds me of men I know who experience all sorts of revelations and are markedly changed during their counseling. The kinda get all melty & big-eyed and see things they never saw.
 
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Plus, she's under the wing of her able attorney, who's giving her attention and telling her to ignore it all while he notes all of Kaine & Desiree's inconsistencies. IMO.

This may all backfire on KH and DY. If there's a TH trial, all these tapes may be exposed and if any of the statements they have said go unproven, it will go towards them being vindictive. I'm not sure how a jury is going to take it, but it would make my hinky meter go up.

Now if LE would come out and confirm this info, I would feel better.

I also wonder why they didn't take any questions at the presser in front of LE, yet were on a radio station bashing TH the same day. Does that make sense to anyone? I don't know - something tells me if they said it in front of LE, it would be more substantial than telling this all to a radio talk show host.

MOO

Mel
 
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When Kaine kept saying in his Wall of Hope interview that he didn't want to talk about Terri, that he wanted instead to focus on Kyron, I really believed him, and wasn't expecting him to talk about Terri any more. At least not all the gossipy details unrelated to Kyron's disappearance. Because of that, as well as other reasons, the audio interview disappointed me.

I wish we could get away from the Terri-mania, and focus on Kyron, and finding out what happened to him.
 
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I think I am in the minority in thinking that the interview was okay. I think they answered a set of questions the reporter (and other reporters.. if you listen to the interviewer) had.

Terri has been the center of this whole thing since investigators put her picture on the flier to elicit more information for the investigation and I think she will continue to be the at the center because Kyrons bio parents think she is involved and LE activity that we see on the fringes points right to her... Was it Kaine's friends having search warrants served on their properties? No, it was Terri's. Terri's friend who walked into a grand jury. Terri who has had a restraining order signed by a judge against her... reason: Kaine says she tried to have him killed.

This was all mooo...
 
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I supported their strategy a few weeks ago and believed that they were operating upon advice from a criminal expert. If it was true then, I doubt it is now. They've overplayed their hand. It might be wise to step back and give TH a little breathing room. She might make a move. Personally, I don't think she'll talk no matter what they say or do, especially since she has a lawyer now to gum up the works.

Of course, the melodrama keeps the public interested, which maintains momentum in the investigation. It's just a damn shame that's what it takes to solve the disappearance of a child.

I have tried to be open minded that perhaps it is a profiler leading them, ..but after yesterdays audio, I cannot believe that is the case. Would profilers really use victims in that way in the press? I cannot see it myself. It really makes me naustious to believe that could be the case.
 
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I don't believe for a second that anyone is guiding these parents in these interviews, except perhaps Desiree's husband to some extent. They are speaking their feelings and talking about intuitions, etc. They don't know what else to do; they want to be in the news for Kyron's sake but really, does answering questions about Kyron's hobbies get them any closer to finding them than talking about their perceptions of their lives? They are in the news and when people see them, they will think of Kyron. And what they are talking about is more likely to make front page news, since it has some scandal/sensationalism value.
 
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