GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #4

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  • #241
Well, one never knows. Some people thought Luca Magnotta was an evil genius, and we discovered that nothing could have been further from the truth. There are certainly some memorable cases of veritable imbeciles who were able to dodge justice. I could name a dozen or more suspects: Casey Anthony, Dale Smith, etc.

I don't know that brilliant planning is what allowed these people to slip through the hands of justice. But it seems clear that pre-planning usually leads to less evidence than a murder that is committed in the heat of the moment.
 
  • #242
Will someone direct me to the info about these two talking about the weather? .. I've totally missed this. TiA

Grannan said neither Sanchez nor Speaks has been cooperative with investigators. “She wanted to talk about the weather, but that was it. Same thing with him,” Grannan said.

http://theadvocate.com/home/3108399-125/family-friends-recall-slain-woman

It might have appeared in some other stories. I first heard it mentioned here. I interpreted it as if he meant it in the literal sense, but it might be a figure of speech. If it's what they're actually willing to discuss, it's clear that they have planned their response and are sticking to their plan.
 
  • #243
**Reposting for any interested**
Timeline Terry C. Speaks:
5/11/1993- Larceny OVER $200+(principal)
<convicted 8/24/1993>
Punishment: PRE-SS(Fair)
Sentence: Suspended Sentence, Probation

12/10/1995- Assault on female(principal)
<convicted 2/23/1996>
Punishment: Intermediate-SS
Sentence: Special Probation

9/26/1997-
1)Domestic Criminal Trespass
2)Prof/Harrass/Threat Lang Phone
3)Misdemeanor B&E
<convicted 10/15/1997>
Punishment: Community -SS
Sentence : Suspended Sentence

11/24/2000-
Violate protection order
<convicted 1/26/2001>
Punishment: Community-SS
Sentence: Suspended Sentence, Probation

4/28/2003-
POSSESSION of Stolen goods
<convicted 6/5/2003 >
Punishment: Community-SS
Sentence: Suspended Sentence, Probation

5/3/2003-
1)Indecent liberty with child
2)Obtained prop by false PR/CHTS /SER
<convicted 6/5/2003>
Punishment: Community-Ss
Sentence: Suspended sentence, probation

3/23/2004-
Larceny
<convicted on this charge, along with the 4/17 charge below, and the 3/24/2005 charge for failure to register as sex offender.. ALL CHARGES WERE COMBINED AND HE WAS CONVICTED OF THEM ON 6/21/2006>
Punishment: Active-SS
Sentence: 1 year 8 months
(Begin 6/21/2006 Release 2/16/2008)**refer to red highlight for all 3 charges were sentenced this jail time**

4/17/2004-
Cheat property/services
<convicted 6/21/2006>
Punishment:SAME AS ABOVE
Sentence: SAME AS ABOVE

3/24/2005-
Failed to register as sex offender
<convicted 6/26/2006>
Punishment:Active-SS
Sentence: 1 year 8 months
(Begin 6/21/2006 Release 2/16/2008)
**NOTE OF IMPORTANCE**
DUE TO THIS CONVICTION of the above 3 charges HIS PROBATION WAS REVOKED FROM 2003 CONVICTION-LIBERTY W/A CHILD

**FURTHER NOTE**
HIS SENTENCED WAS ADDED TO THE ABOVE SENTENCE RATHER THAN ALLOWING THE SENTENCE TO RUN CONCURRENT ..THIS SECOND SENTENCE DID NOT BEGIN UNTIL:
(Begin 6/2/2007 Release 1/27 /2009)

Speaks therefore was incarcerated from:
6/21/2006 to 1/27/2009


4/3/2009-
Sex offender residence violation
<convicted 1/28/2010 >
Punishment: Intermediate-SS
Sentence: Suspended Sentence,Special Probation of 36 months SUPERVISED.

and there you have it ladies and gents. Speaks is incarcerated for almost 4 years, yet when released literally 3 months later he is again arrested and charged.. receives 36 months Supervised Probation.. and from there he ABSCONDS in 2010 and as we know is found as of a week ago in LA..
 
  • #244
Have there been any updates on the alleged video surveillance recording of the three in Mississippi? I remember reading about it a many posts back.
"Hancock County authorities are checking into reports that a surveillance video shows murder victim Jaren Lockhart with Margaret Sanchez and Terry Speaks in Mississippi at a point in time after a video showed the three of them leaving a Bourbon Street strip club together."
http://www.wwltv.com/news/Two-in-cu...death-of-Bourbon-Street-dancer-158990875.html
 
  • #245
Hi Sleuths,

This is my first post on WS. I've been reading up on the Lockhart case since she first went missing. A friend of mine posted on FB that JL was missing. When I looked for more info on the case I stumbled across WS and have been following each day.

I would like to let all of JL's friends and family know that my heart goes out to you. No one should ever have to go through this, ever.

Because I'm new I don't know how to attach the quotes from past streams. I'll finger it out soon.

There was a lot of question and confusion because of the report that JL was stabbed in the chest and some reports said she was stabbed in the back. In medical terms the back is known as the posterior chest. So there's a good chance she was stabbed in the back.

MAS is the niece of the well known musician mentioned before. I know this for a fact.

The Capri Hotel is not a nice place. The reasons for staying there are pretty much all illegal. I would be looking hard at the folks around that dive motel.

I will be very surprised if TS and MAS end up being the killers. With the information available I think we will find someone moving deeper in the shadows of the drug trade.

TS and MAS are probably holding their tongues because if they don't people they hold dear will probably start disappearing, is my guess.
 
  • #246
Grannan said neither Sanchez nor Speaks has been cooperative with investigators. “She wanted to talk about the weather, but that was it. Same thing with him,” Grannan said.

http://theadvocate.com/home/3108399-125/family-friends-recall-slain-woman

It might have appeared in some other stories. I first heard it mentioned here. I interpreted it as if he meant it in the literal sense, but it might be a figure of speech. If it's what they're actually willing to discuss, it's clear that they have planned their response and are sticking to their plan.
Yep I totally agree.. sorry if they were jst merely ashamed or unwilling to tell of other activities totally unrelated to Jaren's murder there wouldn't be a story that was planned for them to stick to.. their silence and pact of silenece and what theyre willing to talk about speaks to their guilt of involvement in JAREN'S MURDER.. trust me they'd be singing like canaries if their involvement was anything other than Jaren's murder.. as well as they'd be singing if their was a bigger fish involved..moo speaks/Sanchez are alone in this and its why neither are speaking at this time.. jmo
 
  • #247
What is this I just heard on WWLTV that MAS was supposed to be on some upcoming Tv show something about it was about another murder or something???? DID ANYONE ELSE CATCH THAT JUST NOW??????
PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND?????
WTHeck is that all about>>>>>>>>>>>
Not sure if It will be on the next rebroadcast bc it will be nine oclock but it may rebroadcast and start a new at ten....
I really hope someone else caught that last comment about her better than I did bc I barely heard it but thats what it seemed to have said!

Has anyone found anything about the "upcoming" Tv show? IMO this is just creepy.
 
  • #248
I think LE is making sure they can hold these two until they have results back to charge them with Jaren's murder...I think it is coming.

Warning graphic post......

I have been faithfully reading on Mickey and Jaren's threads and my heart is breaking for both their families. These beautiful young girls did not deserve to have such horrible things happen to them.

I fear that We will be looking for poor Mickey much like we are still trying to get answers for Hailey Dunn, Holly Bobo, Lauren Spierer, Katelyn Markum....and the list goes on and on.

My sadness for Jaren's family is compounded by the memory of my friend Cheryl Hodges Dunlap. In December of 2007, she was killed by Gary Michael Hilton. He left her torso in the Apalachicola National Forest 15 days after he kidnapped her. That was all that her family was able to bury. During his trial it came out that he had burned the remainder of her body in a fire. There were bone fragments found from her skull, hands and feet. I pray that the remainder of Jaren's body will be found, for her family's sake.

The State of Florida gave Hilton the Death Penalty for his horrible actions. Hopefully he will eventually leave Death Row and meet the same fate as serial killers Ted Bundy and Danny Rolling (he killed and mutilated the bodies of five co-eds in Gainesville, FL in 1990.)


I have a question in relation to the capital punishment/death penalty laws in Louisana versus Mississippi.

I am hoping that which ever state has the Death Penalty will be the one that officially charges TS and MAS with the murder of Jaren. Her family deserves justice!

Sorry if this post is too graphic..

Rest In Peace Jaren Lockhart & Cheryl Hodges Dunlap...You Are Now Angels of God!
 
  • #249
Welcome to our newest members Shozzieman and Crawdaddy!!

:welcome5:
 
  • #250
Warning graphic post......

I have been faithfully reading on Mickey and Jaren's threads and my heart is breaking for both their families. These beautiful young girls did not deserve to have such horrible things happen to them.

I fear that We will be looking for poor Mickey much like we are still trying to get answers for Hailey Dunn, Holly Bobo, Lauren Spierer, Katelyn Markum....and the list goes on and on.

My sadness for Jaren's family is compounded by the memory of my friend Cheryl Hodges Dunlap. In December of 2007, she was killed by Gary Michael Hilton. He left her torso in the Apalachicola National Forest 15 days after he kidnapped her. That was all that her family was able to bury. During his trial it came out that he had burned the remainder of her body in a fire. There were bone fragments found from her skull, hands and feet. I pray that the remainder of Jaren's body will be found, for her family's sake.

The State of Florida gave Hilton the Death Penalty for his horrible actions. Hopefully he will eventually leave Death Row and meet the same fate as serial killers Ted Bundy and Danny Rolling (he killed and mutilated the bodies of five co-eds in Gainesville, FL in 1990.)


I have a question in relation to the capital punishment/death penalty laws in Louisana versus Mississippi.

I am hoping that which ever state has the Death Penalty will be the one that officially charges TS and MAS with the murder of Jaren. Her family deserves justice!

Sorry if this post is too graphic..

Rest In Peace Jaren Lockhart & Cheryl Hodges Dunlap...You Are Now Angels of God!
Both states do. I'm not sure how they compare in number of completed executions.
 
  • #251
***SNIP***

The State of Florida gave Hilton the Death Penalty for his horrible actions. Hopefully he will eventually leave Death Row and meet the same fate as serial killers Ted Bundy and Danny Rolling (he killed and mutilated the bodies of five co-eds in Gainesville, FL in 1990.)


I have a question in relation to the capital punishment/death penalty laws in Louisana versus Mississippi.

I am hoping that which ever state has the Death Penalty will be the one that officially charges TS and MAS with the murder of Jaren. Her family deserves justice!

Sorry if this post is too graphic..

***SNIP***

Fortunately, BOTH Louisiana and Mississippi are capital punishment states. Each state also has juries who don't hesitate to sentence murdurers to death if the facts of the case warrant. In fact, a Pascagoula man who dismembered someone many years ago is scheduled to be executed on Wednesday. Hopefully, LE will determine the facts surrounding Jaren's murder and justice will prevail.

ETA: I just looked at executions in the US for the past few years. Mississippi has already executed 4 death row inmates this year with a fifth scheduled to be executed today. Louisiana has quite a few on death row, but they don't seem to have many executions in the past few years. In short, MS is currently executing more death row inmates than LA, even though MS has a lower population than LA. We can certainly hope that the murder was committed in MS so justice will prevail (though I still have confidence in LA trials as well).


Rest In Peace Jaren Lockhart & Cheryl Hodges Dunlap...You Are Now Angels of God![/QUOTE]
 
  • #252
Hi Sleuths,

This is my first post on WS. I've been reading up on the Lockhart case since she first went missing. A friend of mine posted on FB that JL was missing. When I looked for more info on the case I stumbled across WS and have been following each day.

I would like to let all of JL's friends and family know that my heart goes out to you. No one should ever have to go through this, ever.

Because I'm new I don't know how to attach the quotes from past streams. I'll finger it out soon.

There was a lot of question and confusion because of the report that JL was stabbed in the chest and some reports said she was stabbed in the back. In medical terms the back is known as the posterior chest. So there's a good chance she was stabbed in the back.

MAS is the niece of the well known musician mentioned before. I know this for a fact.

The Capri Hotel is not a nice place. The reasons for staying there are pretty much all illegal. I would be looking hard at the folks around that dive motel.

I will be very surprised if TS and MAS end up being the killers. With the information available I think we will find someone moving deeper in the shadows of the drug trade.

TS and MAS are probably holding their tongues because if they don't people they hold dear will probably start disappearing, is my guess.

GREAT first post, Crawdaddy. and :welcome: to Websleuths.

I agree with a lot of your points.
 
  • #253
I do believe LE has the right people in custody, in part due to the short amount of time between Jaren leaving with this pair, and her body being found. It does not allow for a lot of different scenarios, IMO, consisting of complicated chains of events taking place. Again, JMO.
 
  • #254
I might be totally wrong, but I still feel that there was a third party to this evil crime.

They were so bold in front of the cameras. And they did not run away that first night. And now they are not pointing the fingers at each other. I think they are biding their time because they were not the butchers. JMO
 
  • #255
I do believe LE has the right people in custody, in part due to the short amount of time between Jaren leaving with this pair, and her body being found. It does not allow for a lot of different scenarios, IMO, consisting of complicated chains of events taking place. Again, JMO.

True. But they might have met up with the killer immediately. Maybe they went to meet a third party on a boat or at a camp or a lake house. And it happened right after they left.
 
  • #256
I'd like to know! I'm reading the NCDOJ website now. It says his addy was last verified 3/21/2011, how were these pics taken 7/7/2011?

http://ourkids.10.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=585

I found the above comment posted back on Feb. 1, 2006, alerting that TCS had not registered that year as 'a kitchen offender'.
I'll have to look that term up.
Scroll down to the 5th para in this link for info about 'kitchen offender' - name for perp when a victim is 14 and younger.
http://findmauramurray.21.forumer.com/a/posts.php?topic=3&start=1081

In 2006, I think I read they found TS in San Diego. He was sent to prison in 2006, because he violated the rules of probation.

Beyond 2009, after he was released from prison, he ran away again and was located in Pennsylvania.
Before the U.S. Marshalls could apprehend him, he escaped their grasp.

I'll try to put these details together tomorrow. I'm typing off the top of my head now from what I remember reading. Somehow he ended back in custody in July of 2011, when the pictures were taken, and then he took off again. That's the reason he is being sent back to NC now - for those charges of failure to register and fleeing NC.

I guess the fool me once (shame on you), fool me twice (shame on me) rule doesn't apply when it comes to sentencing absconders. He should have been sent back to prison when LE had their hands on him July 7, 2011.

Tomorrow, I'll try to piece the fleeing timeline together - the above description is in general, not 100 percent accurate.
 
  • #257
I still don't understand why they have not released the video of them leaving with JL. Makes me wonder if there is something different on that video than what they are saying. They show MAS and TS entering the club why not release any video of them leaving. Something's suspicious about this.

Any thoughts anyone?

I'd just think it part and parcel of not releasing any more than they have to -- they released the other and got their IDs, they're holding the video of the three of them tight. I do wonder if there "differences", as you say, though.
 
  • #258
Someone posted that the video and the mugshots are definitely Terry Christopher Speaks as if there is a debate going on about that fact. I don't think anyone doubts the images are of him. The discussion was about why he looks so different. We wondered if he has tried to alter his physical characteristics in some way.

The fact is that LE fingerprinted TS in order to confirm his identity because TS did not cooperate with them.
 
  • #259
http://ourkids.10.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=585

I found the above comment posted back on Feb. 1, 2006, alerting that TCS had not registered that year as 'a kitchen offender'.
I'll have to look that term up.
Scroll down to the 5th para in this link for info about 'kitchen offender' - name for perp when a victim is 14 and younger.

http://findmauramurray.21.forumer.com/a/posts.php?topic=3&start=1081

In 2006, I think I read they found TS in San Diego. He was sent to prison in 2006, because he violated the rules of probation.

Beyond 2009, after he was released from prison, he ran away again and was located in Pennsylvania.
Before the U.S. Marshalls could apprehend him, he escaped their grasp.

I'll try to put these details together tomorrow. I'm typing off the top of my head now from what I remember reading. Somehow he ended back in custody in July of 2011, when the pictures were taken, and then he took off again. That's the reason he is being sent back to NC now - for those charges of failure to register and fleeing NC.

I guess the fool me once (shame on you), fool me twice (shame on me) rule doesn't apply when it comes to sentencing absconders. He should have been sent back to prison when LE had their hands on him July 7, 2011.

Tomorrow, I'll try to piece the fleeing timeline together - the above description is in general, not 100 percent accurate.

bbm: Not familiar with that term and not sure I understand it even after looking at your link. Can anyone explain exactly what it means and how it originated? :waitasec:
 
  • #260
TS and MAS were arrested at 10 pm. The search on the Kenner house began the next day, I don't recall what time, but they were gone 5 hours later (one of our WS sisters drove by the house and assured us it was cleared out).

That was me. I wasn't quite sure when the search started but it was over by 6 or 7 pm. I first drove by there because it is only 4 blocks from my grams house in Kenner (where I spend every other month as her caregiver). There was a lot of activity then with many different specialties of LE such as cadaver dogs, a screen to sift things if needed, etc. There were also many news agencies there with their vans.

( I spotted a plumbers van among them and thought at first that there was plumber on site pulling drain traps, etc and I also saw a large camper which I thought could have been a mobile LE crime scene unit (like we use when we are on a search/rescue/recovery mission with the fire dept.) but both of those assumptions were false. Those vehicles have been a part of the neighborhood for years.)

A few hours later after I was returning from my errands, I drove by there again and the area was all clear with no sign of LE or reporters, even the crime scene tape was gone. I saw no evidence that there was any kind of lock down on the house such as crime scene tape or a sign on the door, or an officer parked there watching the house (although there could have been an unmarked unit). I would have thought that they would have secured the house and posted an official LE "no trespassing" sign.

They did remove many brown paper bags containing potential evidence although I have no idea what was remover. At one point they had a small flag in the backyard indicating a point of interest (maybe from a hit from the dog) but it seems that whatever that was, it seems to have been eliminated or removed. Had it been something of great interest, I would assume it would have triggered a larger and more intense search other area as there is quite large open field behind her house.

Her house in very close to the New Orleans International Airport (just a few blocks away) and because of that, there are many vacant lots. The noise from the huge planes was almost unbearable there and many houses were bought out by the airport because of the noise and the fact that property values declined as the airport grew busier and noisier.

The house had belonged to her grandmother who raised 11 or 12 kids after her husband died in his mid 40's. Grandmother's obituary said that she had been a resident of Kenner for 30 years and she died early in 2005, well before Katrina. Depending on the varying reports, MAS had lived there anywhere from a few months to a year or two. The house is currently owned by a a few or her uncles (and perhaps her father as well).

Ok, I guess I have rambled enough in that. I just don't see it as the crime scene because they are searching in Mississippi. They have closed and are/were dredging two beaches in Mississippi (for "improvements) but they are where Jaren was found so that may very well be a cover story as they search the area for any evidence on the beach and in the water.

I just went over all of this just to refresh memories and maybe to spark other ideas on what happened.

I enjoy reading everyone else's thoughts and theories on this case because we have so many amazing minds and such a diverse population here, No matter what the topic is, there are WS members who have experienced it or have valuable input, research or theories to offer. It's like a million piece puzzle that everyone is working to put together. Thanks again to everyone. I am sure that your support thru all of this means a lot to those who love Jaren.
 
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