LA - Vehicle drives through New Year's crowd - Multiple fatalities reported - Bourbon Street New Orleans - January 1 2025

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It may not fit the FBI’s definition of a terrorist attack, but I guarantee the people involved were most definitely terrorized.
Terrorism has a strict definition for a reason. It's important to use these terms correctly. The FBI realizes this, which is why the special agent in charge clarified. The mayor's statement was unprofessional, frankly.
 

A video confirmed as genuine by BBC Verify show a person lying on the ground and a crowd scattering as what appear to be gunshots are heard. Another shows two injured people lying in a street.

Whit Davis, from Shreveport, Louisiana, told the BBC that he had been in a bar in the Bourbon Street area when the attacker struck. He did not hear the crash and shooting as the music was too loud.

"People started running and getting under tables like it was an active shooter drill. Then the police held us in the bar for a while and when we were finally allowed to leave we were walking past dead and injured bodies all over the street," he said.
 
Terrorism has a strict definition for a reason. It's important to use these terms correctly. The FBI realizes this, which is why the special agent in charge clarified. The mayor's statement was unprofessional, frankly.
Understood, but frankly, I don’t hold the mayor accountable for an FBI-level of professional terminology when people have been senselessly slaughtered in his city on the first day of celebrating the new year.

jmo
 
It seems most of the 30 people injured by the car that rammed into a crowd in New Orleans early Wednesday were local residents, not visitors, the city’s police chief said.

“We have information to a certain degree of the demographics of those who are in the hospital right now,” New Orleans Police Superintendent Anne Kirkpatrick said in a news briefing Wednesday morning. “We do not know at this point how many could be tourists versus locals, but from the information I have right now, it seems the majority are locals.”

 
Terrorism has a strict definition for a reason. It's important to use these terms correctly. The FBI realizes this, which is why the special agent in charge clarified. The mayor's statement was unprofessional, frankly.
I agree with this. I find it interesting that Luigi Mangione fits the definition for them while this incident doesn't though.
 

  • ''The incident occurred around 3:15 a.m. at Bourbon and Iberville streets near the end of New Year’s celebrations and hours before the AllState Sugar Bowl at the Caesars Superdome.
  • The New Orleans Police Superintendent said the suspect drove a pickup truck around barricades at a high speed and was "hellbent on creating carnage that he did."
  • The suspect fired on officers, injuring two of them after crashing the vehicle. The two officers are reported to be in stable condition.
  • An improvised explosive device was also found, though it was not clear if the device was found in the vehicle or elsewhere.
  • The FBI is leading the investigation.
  • ''Authorities did not identify the suspect or specify if the suspect was in custody. Sources tell WDSU that the suspect is dead.''
 

  • ''The incident occurred around 3:15 a.m. at Bourbon and Iberville streets near the end of New Year’s celebrations and hours before the AllState Sugar Bowl at the Caesars Superdome.
  • The New Orleans Police Superintendent said the suspect drove a pickup truck around barricades at a high speed and was "hellbent on creating carnage that he did."
  • The suspect fired on officers, injuring two of them after crashing the vehicle. The two officers are reported to be in stable condition.
  • An improvised explosive device was also found, though it was not clear if the device was found in the vehicle or elsewhere.
  • The FBI is leading the investigation.
  • ''Authorities did not identify the suspect or specify if the suspect was in custody. Sources tell WDSU that the suspect is dead.''
  • Although New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell called the incident a “terrorist attack," an FBI agent told reporters during a press conference Wednesday morning that it was not a terrorist event at this point in the investigation.
 
I agree with this. I find it interesting that Luigi Mangione fits the definition for them while this incident doesn't though.
They had Luigi's manifesto upon arrest, where he expressed his motivations. It can be argued whether Luigi's alleged motivations constitute a designation of "terrorism" (but that seems outside of the scope of this thread). By contrast, we don't yet know the motivation of this attack beyond "kill people". That's the difference. That's why they don't want to label it terrorism yet.
From fbi.gov
Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
 
Terrorism has a strict definition for a reason. It's important to use these terms correctly. The FBI realizes this, which is why the special agent in charge clarified. The mayor's statement was unprofessional, frankly.

The FBI special agent erred by making such a definitive statement.
She should have said “it has not been determined yet if terrorism was involved” or something like that. In fact, that’s usually what is said early on.
Her stating flat out that it was not terrorism was premature at best, Ill advised, for sure. She misspoke.
 
The driver of the pickup truck died following a shootout with police officers after crashing the truck, according to two law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is continuing.


The driver of the pickup truck is dead after getting into a shootout with police after he ran over pedestrians and crashed, according to two law enforcement officials speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. The incident is being investigated as a suspected act of terrorism, the officials said.
 
In regards to the debate on the 'terrorism' label; the FBI has statutory language that they are required to abide by and I believe the FBI is just playing it safe with little preliminary information.

A report from the Congressional Research Service (a governmental research institute within the purview of the Library of Congress) :
"According to the FBI, domestic terrorists are Americans who commit violence to achieve their goals that stem from domestic, extremist ideological influences"

This meaning that the FBI must first establish a motive before describing an event as Terrorism.
 
In regards to the debate on the 'terrorism' label; the FBI has statutory language that they are required to abide by and I believe the FBI is just playing it safe with little preliminary information.

A report from the Congressional Research Service (a governmental research institute within the purview of the Library of Congress) :


This meaning that the FBI must first establish a motive before describing an event as Terrorism.
Call me crazy, but even if the motive is ‘kill lots of people at once’ without a distinct sociopolitical ideology, I think it should still be considered terrorism - just in the name of chaos, not religion or political motives. MOO.

ETA: a word
 
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They had Luigi's manifesto upon arrest, where he expressed his motivations. It can be argued whether Luigi's alleged motivations constitute a designation or terrorism (but that seems outside of the scope of this thread). By contrast, we don't yet know the motivation of this attack beyond "kill people". That's the difference. That's why they don't want to label it terrorism yet.
From fbi.gov
I know but it feels premature for them to say this incident wasn't. I think it more accurate to say "at this time" we have no evidence this was a terroristic attack. The guy had homemade explosives and appeared to be engaged in a suicide mission taking as many innocent lives with him as he could. A manifesto or not, we have no clue if his actions were politically motivated or otherwise yet. JMO mayors comments were premature and FBI's absolute denial was premature.
 
Call me crazy, but even if the motive is ‘kill people’ without a distinct sociopolitical ideology, it should still be considered terrorism
Respectfully, that mentality is emotionally charged, IMO. If everything is terrorism, nothing is. IMO.
JMO mayors comments were premature and FBI's absolute denial was premature.
I don't disagree. Both were wrong. Whole press conference was a mess IMO. (and I don't say that to judge just an observation, obviously a very difficult situation)
 
The FBI special agent erred by making such a definitive statement.
She should have said “it has not been determined yet if terrorism was involved” or something like that. In fact, that’s usually what is said early on.
Her stating flat out that it was not terrorism was premature at best, Ill advised, for sure. She misspoke.
An FBI agent said, “ it was not a terrorist event at this point in the investigation.”
 
Well I’ll be the first to say here that the fbi will be corrected. Jmo
It is too early to determine if this fits the definition of a terrorist attack, it would be irresponsible for them to state definitively that it was a terrorist attack before the investigation. Was the attacker connected to an organization or simply a lone wolf?

They will need to determine if it is a domestic attack or an international attack. IMO it will most likely be ruled a terrorist attack after the investigation.

JMO
 
FBI statement - “This morning, an individual drove a car into a crowd of people on Bourbon Street in New Orleans, killing a number of people and injuring dozens of others. The subject then engaged with local law enforcement and is now deceased. The FBI is the lead investigative agency, and we are working with our partners to investigate this as an act of terrorism.”


 
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