Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[swedie]

I guess it doesn't matter where he got the cigarettes or what kind they were. If he was selling them to underage kids at the high schools, it's illegal no matter what.

JMO

Respectfully I think it does matter. Especially if he was robbing to get them; holding up stores or B&E maybe. Also the fact that reserve cigarettes are for the natives. Is he a native or could he have been buying them illegally on the reserve? Regardless it appears he had trouble obeying laws according to his past record. Of course we know this doesn't make him any more or less guilty than DM of murder or other criminal activities. Some people are just lucky enough to evade the law.

Speaking of native, I wonder if DM had an Indian status card. Being as his grandfather Carl was a direct descendant of Chief Joseph Brant, I wonder. Was DM involved in the purchase of native cigarettes for resale possibly? This could lead to big dollars. Maybe both DM and MS were into selling contraband tobacco. Just a thought and MOO.

A recently released study for cigarette manufacturers found about 30 per cent of tobacco purchased in Canada is bought illegally. In Quebec and Ontario, where most of the problem lies, the rates hover around 40 per cent and 50 per cent, respectively. The problem is not yet improving, and an estimated 13 billion illegal cigarettes were bought in 2008, up from 10 billion a year earlier.

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/archive-stts-cntrbnd-tbcc/index-eng.aspx

 

[Alethea Dice]

Respectfully I think it does matter. Especially if he was robbing to get them; holding up stores or B&E maybe. Also the fact that reserve cigarettes are for the natives. Is he a native or could he have been buying them illegally on the reserve? Regardless it appears he had trouble obeying laws according to his past record. Of course we know this doesn't make him any more or less guilty than DM of murder or other criminal activities. Some people are just lucky enough to evade the law.

Speaking of native, I wonder if DM had an Indian status card. Being as his grandfather Carl was a direct descendant of Chief Joseph Brant, I wonder. Was DM involved in the purchase of native cigarettes for resale possibly? This could lead to big dollars. Maybe both DM and MS were into selling contraband tobacco. Just a thought and MOO.

A recently released study for cigarette manufacturers found about 30 per cent of tobacco purchased in Canada is bought illegally. In Quebec and Ontario, where most of the problem lies, the rates hover around 40 per cent and 50 per cent, respectively. The problem is not yet improving, and an estimated 13 billion illegal cigarettes were bought in 2008, up from 10 billion a year earlier.

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/archive-stts-cntrbnd-tbcc/index-eng.aspx

Maybe where they came from matters more to you, but if it was my underage child he was selling to, that's what my main concern would be. In any event, all we know is that he was selling to underage students. We can guess that they came from the reserve, and it's quite likely they did judging by the little we know about him, but at this point that's not a known fact. And illegal is still illegal.

Of course it doesn't make him any more or less guilty than DM of murder. Only the evidence, once we hear it, can do that. It also doesn't mean that DM was also selling cigarettes to minors or painting bridges or accompanying him on all of his other illegal activities.

It's not illegal to purchase cigarettes on a reserve. It is, however, illegal to take them and use them off the reserve, and to sell them off the reserve.

The law, noted the former Toronto police officer, says no tax has to be paid on the cigarettes as long as they're purchased and used on the reserve but an industry that ranges from mom-and-pop operations to major criminal gangs has sprung up around removing the "native smokes" from reserves.

http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/2013/02/27/illegal-cigarette-trade-alive-and-well-in-area

I think suggesting that DM may have an Indian Status card is quite a stretch of the imagination. If a status native marries a non-status person, their child is still a status native. If that child also marries a non-status person, then their child will have no legal Indian Status. Did both WM and CM have Status? If so, did either MB or DCM?

http://apihtawikosisan.com/2011/12/got-status-indian-status-in-canada-sort-of-explained/

Also, since MS was the one illegally selling cigarettes, what do we know about his ancestry?

JMO

 

[flipflop]

Maybe where they came from matters more to you, but if it was my underage child he was selling to, that's what my main concern would be. In any event, all we know is that he was selling to underage students. We can guess that they came from the reserve, and it's quite likely they did judging by the little we know about him, but at this point that's not a known fact. And illegal is still illegal.

Of course it doesn't make him any more or less guilty than DM of murder. Only the evidence, once we hear it, can do that. It also doesn't mean that DM was also selling cigarettes to minors or painting bridges or accompanying him on all of his other illegal activities.

It's not illegal to purchase cigarettes on a reserve. It is, however, illegal to take them and use them off the reserve, and to sell them off the reserve.



http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/2013/02/27/illegal-cigarette-trade-alive-and-well-in-area

I think suggesting that DM may have an Indian Status card is quite a stretch of the imagination. If a status native marries a non-status person, their child is still a status native. If that child also marries a non-status person, then their child will have no legal Indian Status. Did both WM and CM have Status? If so, did either MB or DCM?

http://apihtawikosisan.com/2011/12/got-status-indian-status-in-canada-sort-of-explained/

Also, since MS was the one illegally selling cigarettes, what do we know about his ancestry?

JMO

It doesn't matter if he has Indian Status or not to purchase or re-sell cigarettes. MS could go and buy as many cigarattes as they will sell him on the reserve. He can turn around and sell them to whoever he choose....yes if you get caught re-selling them....that is illegal, MS doesn't sound like a law abiding citizen. I know of quite a few people who take orders from family and friends and will go up to our local reserve, purchase a large quantity and then turn around and re-sell them.

 

[Alethea Dice]

It doesn't matter if he has Indian Status or not to purchase or re-sell cigarettes. MS could go and buy as many cigarattes as they will sell him on the reserve. He can turn around and sell them to whoever he choose....yes if you get caught re-selling them....that is illegal, MS doesn't sound like a law abiding citizen. I know of quite a few people who take orders from family and friends and will go up to our local reserve, purchase a large quantity and then turn around and re-sell them.

That's correct. As I said - it is not illegal to purchase cigarettes on a reserve - for anybody. It's the taking them off the reserve and reselling them that is illegal.

I also totally agree that MS doesn't sound like a law abiding citizen - two drug convictions (cocaine and magic mushrooms) - at least one of which was possession for the purpose of trafficking (2006), failing to appear in court, breach of a mandated curfew, impaired driving, painting graffiti on public property, and now selling cigarettes to minors. A typical wannabe gangsta punk IMO.

The part of my post that you've highlighted was simply in reference to the suggestion that DM may have been involved in buying native cigarettes for resale since he was a descendant of Chief Joseph Brant. If that's sufficient cause to suspect, I wondered what anyone knew about MS's ancestry.

JMO

 

[Variant]

I also totally agree that MS doesn't sound like a law abiding citizen - two drug convictions (cocaine and magic mushrooms) - at least one of which was possession for the purpose of trafficking (2006), failing to appear in court, breach of a mandated curfew, impaired driving, painting graffiti on public property, and now selling cigarettes to minors. A typical wannabe gangsta punk IMO.

JMO

The kind of guy DM apparently valued as a friend or associate, enough to bring him home to stay at dad's house.

I haven't seen any reports that he was involved in more serious, violent crimes or weapons possession until he teamed up with the self-described "dellen the felon".

 

[Snoofo]

The kind of guy DM apparently valued as a friend or associate, enough to bring him home to stay at dad's house.

I haven't seen any reports that he was involved in more serious, violent crimes or weapons possession until he teamed up with the self-described "dellen the felon".

Bbm - I've never seen this reference. New? Where's that from?

 

[Alethea Dice]

I haven't seen any reports that he was involved in more serious, violent crimes or weapons possession until he teamed up with the self-described "dellen the felon".

Not yet anyway. But judging by the video he chose to star in, he certainly has a proclivity for it. I haven't seen any reports that DM was involved in any crimes at all, violent or otherwise, until he teamed up with MS either.

Have you ever heard of Ellen the Felon? America's Got Talent contacted her in 2011 and asked her to audition for the show.

http://www.ellenthefelon.net/Biography___Thank_You_s.html

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/rftmusic/2011/10/americas_got_talent_auditions.php

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Bbm - I've never seen this reference. New? Where's that from?

It's a little Yelp account that was set up with a couple of sarcastic answers to questions and one restaurant review and absolutely nothing else. It looks like something someone did when they were bored.

JMO

 

[Variant]

Bbm - I've never seen this reference. New? Where's that from?

http://www.yelp.ca/user_details?userid=ifCl1ZzDEsU_69NpJisRug

From February 2011, for a restaurant in DM's neighbourhood.

Don't see why "someone" other than DM would have submitted this back then.

MS may have been a wannabe gangsta punk, DM appears to have been a wannabe felon.

 

[SideKick]

http://www.yelp.ca/user_details?userid=ifCl1ZzDEsU_69NpJisRug

From February 2011, for a restaurant in DM's neighbourhood.

Don't see why "someone" other than DM would have submitted this back then.

MS may have been a wannabe gangsta punk, DM appears to have been a wannabe felon.

Largo Winch he wrote as his favourite movie. Very well suited?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808339/

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The Heir Apparent: Largo Winch (2008)
"Largo Winch" (original title)
108 min - Adventure | Thriller - 15 January 2010 (Canada)
6.5 Your rating: -/10 Ratings: 6.5/10 from 9,258 users Metascore: 40/100

Reviews: 22 user | 45 critic | 10 from Metacritic.com
After a powerful billionaire is murdered, his secret adoptive son must race to prove his legitimacy, find his father's killers and stop them from taking over his financial empire.

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Billionaire Nerio Winch is found dead, drowned. An obviously suspicious death as Nerio is the founder and majority shareholder of the powerful and sprawling W Group. Who will inherit this financial empire? Officially, Nerio had no family. But he had a secret he kept well-hidden: a son, Largo, adopted nearly thirty years before from a Bosnian orphanage. The only problem is this young heir has just been thrown in prison deep in the Amazon. Accused of drug trafficking, he claims he's innocent. Nerio murdered. Largo in prison. What if these two events were part of a plot to take control of the Winch empire? Written by Happy_Evil_Dude

 

[Snoofo]

Interesting choice in movies indeed. Perhaps more strange than we could imagine. Had DM in fact written the prison letter to the "fan", it did mention this scenario is "stranger than fiction".

It is funny some things that add up to more guilty for some, genuinely seem more suspicious to others.

Nicknames are a funny thing to judge, especially one that rhymes like that. It could stem from anything, even a funny story, or nothing, like simply the fact that it rhymes. I've seen people make up their own nicknames and hope they stick, to gain acceptance in a crowd where they wouldn't normally fit in. Doesn't make them dangerous, just a little immature and foolish. You really never know.

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[Variant]

Interesting choice in movies indeed. Perhaps more strange than we could imagine. Had DM in fact written the prison letter to the "fan", it did mention this scenario is "stranger than fiction".

It is funny some things that add up to more guilty for some, genuinely seem more suspicious to others.

Nicknames are a funny thing to judge, especially one that rhymes like that. It could stem from anything, even a funny story, or nothing, like simply the fact that it rhymes. I've seen people make up their own nicknames and hope they stick, to gain acceptance in a crowd where they wouldn't normally fit in. Doesn't make them dangerous, just a little immature and foolish. You really never know.

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Some people know themselves, and justify their nicknames.

 

[Arnie M]

The movie LARGO WINCH is hauntingly similar to aspects of the DM case

Weird or what !!!!!


Quoted from Wikipedia

In what appears to be an accidental drowning, Nerio Winch, the billionare founder and majority shareholder of the powerful and sprawling W Group, dies. He is assumed to have had no heir, but he had a well-kept secret: a son, Largo, adopted nearly thirty years earlier at a Bosnian orphanage. Largo is living the life of an adventurer and lands in Brazil, where he rescues a pretty girl from local militia men attempting to molest her. After Largo and the girl have sex, she injects him with a sedative and sets him up to be found by police. He is sent to prison.

Meanwhile, at the W Group headquarters in Hong Kong, news of the existence of Nerio's heir has the board of directors riled up. At the same time, Mikhal Korsky, a wealthy former-arms dealer, plans to make a takeover bid by buying up available shares of the company. In Brazil, Largo escapes from prison while his father's driver/bodyguard, Freddy, has come to pay for Largo's release from prison. They both escape. Largo travels to Hong Kong with the sole purpose of proving that his father's death was not an accident. As he needs to prove that he is Nerio's heir, Largo must get the shares he inherited, which would make him the majority shareholder of the company. In an attempt to gain the shares, however, he is caught in a shootout and loses them. He realizes that he is in the middle of a plot by Ferguson, his father's trusted second-in-command, whose aim is to take over the company.

Lacking tangible proof, Largo must prove that he is the heir of W Group before the company general meeting. Eventually Largo makes a deal with Mikhal Korsky, his enemy, to whom he reveals Ferguson's plan to ruin Korsky. Finally he reaches the board meeting and switches over Ferguson's speech to a secretly recorded video in which Ferguson admits to killing Nerio. Defeated, she leaves the meeting and is arrested. The film ends with Largo as the new head of the company.

 

[Variant]

The movie LARGO WINCH is hauntingly similar to aspects of the DM case

Weird or what !!!!!


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Oh dear, here we go again. Where beyond the father died is it similar - and was Largo charged with his murder? And where are the LB and TB equivalents?

I'm not looking forward to another charge of the conspiracy theorists.

I am thinking of DM running this movie through his head though - he doesn't need Netflix!

 

[Snoofo]

Some people know themselves, and justify their nicknames.

This I've only seen in a positive light. Like "Honest Ed".

Anyway, if this case wasn't filled with such mystery and nobody from the outside talking (with the exception of the shocking revelation that Smich was a little "off"), particularly within the gossipy social-media obsessed twentysomething demographic, and if LE had something SOLID to share, even with LB's family, maybe conspiracy theories would be held at bay.

Does any sleuth here know why an accessory to murder would still be detained and not out on bail already? Would this qualify as yet another anomaly of the TB case or does it happen all the time to young university students with no record?

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[SideKick]

This I've only seen in a positive light. Like "Honest Ed".

Anyway, if this case wasn't filled with such mystery and nobody from the outside talking (with the exception of the shocking revelation that Smich was a little "off"), particularly within the gossipy social-media obsessed twentysomething demographic, and if LE had something SOLID to share, even with LB's family, maybe conspiracy theories would be held at bay.

Does any sleuth here know why an accessory to murder would still be detained and not out on bail already? Would this qualify as yet another anomaly of the TB case or does it happen all the time to young university students with no record?

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Perhaps for her safety?

 

[Arnie M]

Oh dear, here we go again. Where beyond the father died is it similar - and was Largo charged with his murder? And where are the LB and TB equivalents?

I'm not looking forward to another charge of the conspiracy theorists.

I am thinking of DM running this movie through his head though - he doesn't need Netflix!

I am not a conspiracy theorist .... and I agree the similarities of the movie and the TB murder are slender

Mostly what struck me was that DM said Largo Winch was his favorite movie.

.... Largo has dead father made to look like an accident
.... Largo has wealthy father
.... Largo lives the life of an adventurer
.... Involved with arms dealers
.... Helicopters
.... Sex with a pretty girl
.... Injections with sedatives
.... Riling up the board of directors at his inherited company
.... Film ends with Largo as head of the company

Those are the attributes of DM's favorite movie ..... hmmmmm

 

[Variant]

Perhaps for her safety?

Safety from who? She applied for bail so she doesn't appear to be afraid of anyone outside.

 

[SideKick]

Safety from who? She applied for bail so she doesn't appear to be afraid of anyone outside.

My first thought was, the Police may feel she is safer inside as she is a witness very directly related to the evening TB disappeared.
If there are any DM supporters out there... Cough
Who are friends with DM, she could be vulnerable to harm now that she is has been charged. To have a fair trial, preparing for the trial they don't want her to talk...

Thinking out loud really.

 

[Snoofo]

Safety from who? She applied for bail so she doesn't appear to be afraid of anyone outside.

Did she apply for bail and it was not granted? Or did she not apply? Either way it is curious, like everything else.

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