Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

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  • #781
This could very well have happened.
IF such an item was found, and perhaps a small amount of "ash" didn't match TB but was later found to be a match to LB, I could see such a small amount not to be considered remains and as such unable to return to her family but enough to qualify as proof of death?

JMO

If both were fully cremated, I don't think it would be likely to be able to distinguish what ashes belonged to who. I just touched on this in another thread.

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  • #782
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I think LB had a few other problems than depression and angst. Knowing people who suffer from some of these same issues, I don't really feel it's fair to trivialize what she may have been going though. Not saying you can't treat these issues, but they don't necessarily just get "fixed".

JMO

Babcock underwent a series of doctor&#8217;s appointments and medical tests that resulted in uncertainty. Friends say she told them she was diagnosed with severe depression, anxiety, borderline personality disorder and bipolar disorder. Every doctor told her something different. Some told her nothing was wrong at all.
http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/10...abcock-leaves-lingering-questions-for-police/

She was on a variety of medications and had a recent diagnosis of multiple personality disorder that she believed could be treated.
http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/10...efore-she-was-reported-missing-police-allege/
 
  • #783
Was DM still engaged at the time of LBs disappearance? To me LB seems like the vindictive sort, and if DM had played her or used her and dumped her, it wouldn't surprise me if LB would threaten to tell his fiancee. I look at all those calls on the night she disappeared and can picture how angry she is getting every time he doesn't answer. When he does answer, she is never heard from again. Looking at the fact that LB had dropped her beloved dog and a box of cash at her parents home, one has to wonder or conclude;

-how desperate for drugs could she have been if she was leaving her money at home?
-where was she going that would have prohibited her from taking her dog? A trip? To stay at a boyfriends?

So we have LB obviously in the throws of making some sort of radical lifestyle change, then she's making calls to DM which he's ignoring. He finally answers and she's gone.

Really sounds like she might have threatened the wrong person.
 
  • #784
Was DM still engaged at the time of LBs disappearance? To me LB seems like the vindictive sort, and if DM had played her or used her and dumped her, it wouldn't surprise me if LB would threaten to tell his fiancee. I look at all those calls on the night she disappeared and can picture how angry she is getting every time he doesn't answer. When he does answer, she is never heard from again. Looking at the fact that LB had dropped her beloved dog and a box of cash at her parents home, one has to wonder or conclude;

-how desperate for drugs could she have been if she was leaving her money at home?
-where was she going that would have prohibited her from taking her dog? A trip? To stay at a boyfriends?

So we have LB obviously in the throws of making some sort of radical lifestyle change, then she's making calls to DM which he's ignoring. He finally answers and she's gone.

Really sounds like she might have threatened the wrong person.

No, he wasn't still engaged at that point. According to AB, his engagement ended the previous year, in the summer of 2011, shortly before he started seeing CN. LB did, however, tell CN that their relationship had changed to more than just friends.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2014/04/who-is-christina-noudga-charged-with-accessory-to-tim-bosmas-murder-after-the-fac.html

The dog was said to have been left because it wasn't always welcome where she stayed and had become too much of a burden.

She never stayed long anywhere because of her dog, Lacey, who wasn’t always welcome.
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The next day, Babcock contacted high school friend NM, again looking for a place to stay. She told M she had ditched her beloved pet because the dog had become too much of a burden.

http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1058608/murder-of-laura-babcock-leaves-lingering-questions-for-police/
 
  • #785
I call BS on a diagnosis of multiple personality disorder too. wow. JMO
 
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So, just so that I have this straight, CN was dating DM. LB was a mutual friend. It is alleged that LB basically told CN "I am having sex with your boyfriend"?. I wonder if CN considered her relationship with DM exclusive at that point?

Does anyone know if CN was involved with DM prior to his engagement ending?

Yeh, I'm trying to get a grip on this as well. So at the time LB disappeared DM was seeing CN? And on the night of his dad's death he was out with his ex fiancee?
 
  • #788
I call BS on a diagnosis of multiple personality disorder too. wow. JMO

Why? Pretty much every woman I've ever know has been borderline multiple personality. :floorlaugh:
 
  • #789
Why? Pretty much every woman I've ever know has been borderline multiple personality. :floorlaugh:

Borderline is not the same as multiple personality disorder though. Borderline cases CAN create new versions of themselves, which I see may have happened with LB aka Elle Ryan, etc.
 
  • #790
You sure Elle Ryan wasn't her prostitution name? Once a girl crosses that line the aliases are endless.
 
  • #791
You sure Elle Ryan wasn't her prostitution name? Once a girl crosses that line the aliases are endless.

Yes I think it was but it was also her facebook name too. I'm not sure if she also had another webcam name too since she was also known as Elle Ryan. Are we sure she was actually escorting too since there is an article stating she was on a live webcam service.

https://www.facebook.com/lorahryan

In early 2012, Austerweil said he learned Babcock was going online to a site where anyone can perform live sex acts on a webcam while users pay to watch. The last time she signed on &#8212; the profile still shows a girl from the neck down wearing a bright pink bra &#8212; was at Austerweil&#8217;s house with her girlfriend.

Early 2012 is when she was dating Millard too, isn't it? Also would love to find her webcam site profile and see the username she was using.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html
 
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Are we sure she was actually escorting too since there is an article stating she was on a live webcam service.

SL admitted to the Globe and Mail that he was so desperate to locate LB that he spoke with some of her johns.

As he grew increasingly concerned, Ms. Babcock&#8217;s cellphone bill arrived in her parents&#8217; mailbox in late July. Mr. Lerner, a 24-year-old small business owner, called each number, even tracking down some of her johns in person to see if they had any information.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/what-if-game-haunts-babcock-friend/article18832997/

Early 2012 is when she was dating Millard too, isn't it?

No, she was dating DA in early 2012. They met after Christmas in 2011 and were living together within weeks.

After Christmas, Babcock went to a friend&#8217;s party on the lakeshore in Etobicoke. There, David Austerweil noticed her from across the room.

Within weeks they were dating and Babcock quickly moved in with him.

In early 2012, Austerweil said he learned Babcock was going online to a site where anyone can perform live sex acts on a webcam while users pay to watch. The last time she signed on &#8212; the profile still shows a girl from the neck down wearing a bright pink bra &#8212; was at Austerweil&#8217;s house with her girlfriend.

She told her uncle she was seeing someone matching DM's description in June.

That June, Thomas Ryan called his niece to talk about his upcoming wedding near the end of the month. She told him she wanted to bring a new date, but was upset when Ryan said no.
&#8220;She said he&#8217;d be taking her travelling for a little bit. She was impressed that he was a good photographer and had money and a good-looking fella,&#8221; Ryan said about the new flame he now believes was Millard. Babcock never showed up to the wedding.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html
 
  • #794
Snooperduper, I happen to be close to all of this and the crap you're fabricating, or trying to about this case is plain silly and actually frustrating. So much so I had to create an account. This isn't a tv show. Laura needed help and did not receive it- period.
 
  • #795
Snooperduper, I happen to be close to all of this and the crap you're fabricating, or trying to about this case is plain silly and actually frustrating. So much so I had to create an account. This isn't a tv show. Laura needed help and did not receive it- period.

Welcome to the forum .... we are all a bit guilty of "crap" speculation , but that is because nobody knows the facts yet. Hopefully with you here you can set some things straight

Everyone here cares deeply about Laura and would have only wanted the best for her

Best wishes
 
  • #796
By crap I mainly mean whatever is being said to discredit her mental state. I really hope that if something positive can come from all of this, it can be to shed some light on the serious deficiencies we have as a society when it comes to those who need some type of help/direction, whether it's medication or counselling or whatever. I feel Laura fell through the cracks as she didn't appear to fit the bill or criteria of someone who needed that type of attention and the police didn't think she fit the description of someone they should be seriously concerned about. It's all just sad.
 
  • #797
Snooperduper, I happen to be close to all of this and the crap you're fabricating, or trying to about this case is plain silly and actually frustrating. So much so I had to create an account. This isn't a tv show. Laura needed help and did not receive it- period.

Welcome to WS and Laura's thread n1989. Sorry for your loss, my sincere and heartfelt sympathy goes out to you and all who knew and loved Laura.

Maybe you could start with letting us know if there has been anything in the MSM which is not factual. We are trying to go on the facts and what is in the MSM and it would be a huge help if you could set the record straight for us.

Thanks and again welcome.
 
  • #798
If he had an icy drink and a magazine my guess is he'd already been there awhile. It may have been his suggestion to meet but it was SL who wanted information and wasn't there on time - at least he waited for him.

I wonder though, if DM never considered that SL had phone records then he could have just avoided his texts and calls instead of meeting him at all. Why did he meet him?




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Having conversations on a phone can be recorded. I imagine the only reason DM wanted to meet in person was to protect himself. Furthermore, the meeting served one purpose, to discover what info SL had. That is why he quickly left an SL should have realized at that point that DM had no interest in helping him. Contrary to what DM said, the conversation could have easily happened over the phone as there was nothing complex about it. So I think the meeting itself is an indication of guilt, and DMs lack of interest in helping is a good indicator the he already knew she was dead.


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  • #799
Snooperduper, I don't appreciate the copy and paste crap- it doesn't change anything & I didn't even read it. while I can appreciate the obviously long amount of time you spent on your other response- it doesn't change the fact you never met Laura yourself. It was clear she needed to be in CAMH or something- which according to her at the time has a year long wait. I will share with you all that Laura was excited to finally be able to tackle something with a name. There was no way she could have held a job in that state. She knew that. She didn't just snap due to drug use or something that happened recently- even in high school you could see there was something perhaps bothering her behind the scenes.
Your experiences are yours, and Laura's were hers. Some of you here are making it seem like she was a huge drug addict which takes precedent over the fact she was literally ignored - her case can't be justified because she took e and coke a few times and smoked minimal amounts of weed.. It's ridiculous
Ps I would like to say more and address this all properly but I really don't have the time right now
 
  • #800
Snooperduper, I don't appreciate the copy and paste crap- it doesn't change anything & I didn't even read it. while I can appreciate the obviously long amount of time you spent on your other response- it doesn't change the fact you never met Laura yourself. It was clear she needed to be in CAMH or something- which according to her at the time has a year long wait. I will share with you all that Laura was excited to finally be able to tackle something with a name. There was no way she could have held a job in that state. She knew that. She didn't just snap due to drug use or something that happened recently- even in high school you could see there was something perhaps bothering her behind the scenes.
Your experiences are yours, and Laura's were hers. Some of you here are making it seem like she was a huge drug addict which takes precedent over the fact she was literally ignored - her case can't be justified because she took e and coke a few times and smoked minimal amounts of weed.. It's ridiculous
Ps I would like to say more and address this all properly but I really don't have the time right now

Can you disclose what her diagnosis was? Also, do you know DM and her relationship with him? TIA
 
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