Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[Snoofo]

Note to self: If ever opening a file with LE, ask if lead detective is anticipating an imminent promotion or retirement.

Woodhouse. Unfrigginbelievable.

As for you n1989, don't beat yourself up over what you could or couldn't have done. In a million years you couldn't have predicted this, I'm sure. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about Laura. I think it helps us and puts a lot of things back into perspective. So much of this reads like a book, it is good to be reminded many of the "characters" are in some aspects not too different than people we know or once knew.

 

[Juballee]

Thank you for sharing with us, n1989, it is very brave of you. I understand your anguish and commend you for coming forward with your knowledge. In case anyone hasn't told you lately, it's not your fault. We all do the best we can with what we know at the time, and when we know better, we can do better. Rest assured that people understand that you did help Laura as a friend in the way that you could help at the time, and that is the important part.

 

[n1989]

Thanks for the kind words everyone. It really does mean a lot.

 

[Carli]

n1989. Forgive me in advance if the msg I'm about to post is out of line. It's just my opinion and I hope you'll see that.

What a responsible good friend you have been to Laura I'm sure that you must be as determined as everyone here to see that LB finds the help she needs, if, god willing, she may still be alive. I'm equally sure that if it is proven that her young life was taken by the people charged, that you will want to see the full force of the law brought down upon them. That's why you wisely went to LE with your information about the last exchanges you had with her, in the first place. However, I can't help but notice that you also have some unique and special details about Laura's last days before contact was lost, that don't exactly seem to fit the current LE scenario. For instance, you mention that you spoke with her a full week after her presumed disappearance. Personally, I think this information could be of value to the defense in this case as well as the (LE) prosecution and I would urge you to contact the defense lawyers. (Otherwise, they can have no way of knowing the story of your experience in those important last days before her disappearance.)

Like her family and her friends, I deeply hope that Laura reappears, alive and well - nor do I think that's an impossibility, given the nature of her illness - but in the event that cannot happen, I hope, as I'm sure you do, that the right person or persons are found guilty of taking her young life. Those presently charged may be guilty, in which case any information you might provide to the defense is of no consequence. On the other hand, those presently charged may be innocent but unable to prove it, in which case your information could be essential to insuring that justice is brought to bear upon the right perpetrators. IMO IMHO

Anyway, I'm sure you'll do the right thing, as you've been doing all along. Everyone should be fortunate enough to have a concerned friend like you.

 

[n1989]

n1989. Forgive me in advance if the msg I'm about to post is out of line. It's just my opinion and I hope you'll see that.

What a responsible good friend you have been to Laura I'm sure that you must be as determined as everyone here to see that LB finds the help she needs, if, god willing, she may still be alive. I'm equally sure that if it is proven that her young life was taken by the people charged, that you will want to see the full force of the law brought down upon them. That's why you wisely went to LE with your information about the last exchanges you had with her, in the first place. However, I can't help but notice that you also have some unique and special details about Laura's last days before contact was lost, that don't exactly seem to fit the current LE scenario. For instance, you mention that you spoke with her a full week after her presumed disappearance. Personally, I think this information could be of value to the defense in this case as well as the (LE) prosecution and I would urge you to contact the defense lawyers. (Otherwise, they can have no way of knowing the story of your experience in those important last days before her disappearance.)

Like her family and her friends, I deeply hope that Laura reappears, alive and well - nor do I think that's an impossibility, given the nature of her illness - but in the event that cannot happen, I hope, as I'm sure you do, that the right person or persons are found guilty of taking her young life. Those presently charged may be guilty, in which case any information you might provide to the defense is of no consequence. On the other hand, those presently charged may be innocent but unable to prove it, in which case your information could be essential to insuring that justice is brought to bear upon the right perpetrators. IMO IMHO

Anyway, I'm sure you'll do the right thing, as you've been doing all along. Everyone should be fortunate enough to have a concerned friend like you.

These are absolutely not special or unique details.
Her phone activities were made public by a report early on. Her phone bill, flashed across the screen. I was not the only person she tried to contact. Much of what I have said has already been reported.

 

[n1989]

These are absolutely not special or unique details.
Her phone activities were made public by a report early on. Her phone bill, flashed across the screen. I was not the only person she tried to contact. Much of what I have said has already been reported.

FYI this is the report I was referring to..
http://globalnews.ca/news/571890/ti...most-complete-as-hunt-for-suspects-continues/
our call is just a few lines in down the list. I was flabbergasted this wasn't blurred out when it aired on TV. Even here, you can still make out some of the numbers.

 

[matou]

Millard’s lawyer was given disclosure. No one was in court on behalf of Smich to accept disclosure. Both Millard and Smich have pleaded not guilty to all charges against them.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...murderers-of-tim-bosma-and-laura-babcock.html

 

[hopingforjustice]

Millard’s lawyer was given disclosure. No one was in court on behalf of Smich to accept disclosure. Both Millard and Smich have pleaded not guilty to all charges against them.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...murderers-of-tim-bosma-and-laura-babcock.html

Seems odd that no one would be there for Smich to accept the disclosure? I would have thought they would be anxious for any disclosure that may be handed over. Or perhaps they already know what the disclosure is....ie: Smich has been talking....

Just a thought and JMO

 

[redheadedgal]

Personally, I think this information could be of value to the defense in this case as well as the (LE) prosecution and I would urge you to contact the defense lawyers. (Otherwise, they can have no way of knowing the story of your experience in those important last days before her disappearance.)

why in the world should a citizen contact defense lawyers or the prosecution in regard to info about a missing person or crime? i have never in my life seen a missing poster that does not say "contact police" or "contact crimestoppers" and instead, what you suggest. for example, http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...23-Toronto-26-June-2012&p=9452335#post9452335


smh.

 

[jonv15]

Kitchener CTV 6pm news states the skeletal remains of a young women have been discovered outside of Cambridge.

 

[Woodland]

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/human-remains-found-in-the-grand-river-1.1921799

 

[ArianeEmory]

why in the world should a citizen contact defense lawyers or the prosecution in regard to info about a missing person or crime? i have never in my life seen a missing poster that does not say "contact police" or "contact crimestoppers" and instead, what you suggest. for example, http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...23-Toronto-26-June-2012&p=9452335#post9452335


smh.

The only other time I've seen this done was by a defense attorney representing the adopted parents of missing teen Erica Parsons. He's their defense attorney because they are the persons of interest with regards to her disappearance, and their other children have been taken away from them. Yet their lawyer asked anyone with info about Erica to contact him, not LE. Nice.

 

[hopingforjustice]

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/human-re...iver-1.1921799



That's a very interesting spot. Right around the corner from where I work and a very popular spot for bikers, walkers, fishermen etc. It s a very fast moving area of the river that even with our cold winter didn't really see a very thick ice cover. As stated in the broadcast, they felt the body had been in the water for "quite some time" I have to wonder if the current has either just pushed the body UP from a tangle or has just recently sent it downstream from another location. Due to the amount of people traffic in that area , I feel it would have been found prior to now if it had entered at that location. But JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

Interesting find out of Cambridge
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ver-in-cambridge-likely-those-of-young-woman/

 

[matou]

Interesting find out of Cambridge
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ver-in-cambridge-likely-those-of-young-woman/

I saw this story linked earlier but there wasn't much about it yet. Now there's a bit more. If it's Laura, I'd be surprised since I expected her body to have been incinerated. The remains are skeletal which would be what we would expect with Laura's remains if they weren't burned. JMO

The remains are bones, he said.
"The body is somewhat submerged" in the shallow water, he said, and is partly covered by river debris. It's not known if there were any personal effects or clothing nearby. It's not clear how long the remains have been in the water.
Investigators also don't know if the river may have carried the remains to this location from somewhere else upstream.
"We can't determine if the body was there originally," Goodman said. "We are early on in this investigation."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ver-in-cambridge-likely-those-of-young-woman/

 

[n1989]

How can they conclude that it's a woman if it's still submerged, and completely skeletal as the article suggests? Seems odd

Edit- I see now they're in Toronto to be identified, my question was more for the unfolding of this- at the beginning how would they know? Anyway I guess well find out more soon.

 

[Sphinx]

Interesting find out of Cambridge
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ver-in-cambridge-likely-those-of-young-woman/

I believe there is a difference in the pelvic bones between a woman and a man -- also probably other differences a pathologist would notice.

 

[hopingforjustice]

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/4645377-remains-identified-as-cambridge-woman/

WATERLOO REGION — Waterloo Regional Police have identified the remains found in the Grand River last Friday as a young Cambridge woman.

 

[matou]

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/4645377-remains-identified-as-cambridge-woman/

WATERLOO REGION — Waterloo Regional Police have identified the remains found in the Grand River last Friday as a young Cambridge woman.

Oh, I remember her being missing. RIP Tasha Marie Smith. She disappeared Dec 1, 2010.

 

[matou]

Are police still actively searching for Laura? If not, why not? Is it because they believe her body was burned beyond recognition in the way Tim Bosma's was?