Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.10.17 - Day 14

[redheart]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 57s58 seconds ago
First photo shows Eliminator in OPP bay, still chained down to a trailer. Jitta says he circled it, took photos and made notes. #LauraBabcock

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal 51s52 seconds ago
Seeing pictures now of the incinerator seized at #Millard's farm in the OPP Orillia detachment. Various angles shown in pictures.

What happened to the van? Can't they just stick to one thing and complete the testimony before moving on to something else?

I don't know if it's just me, or if it's just the lesser amount of coverage by reporters that don't fully show us how the crown is presenting their case, but it seems to me that the TB prosecution was much more logical and easy to follow.

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Upon a question from the judge, Jitta says it wasn't part of his job to figure out how the engine got power in the incinerator. Now looking at a close up of trailer. At the base of the machine is "some sort of hatch." #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC1m1 minute ago
In one photo, you can see a small hatch for the bottom chamber of the incinerator. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 45s46 seconds ago
Jitta says it looks like the machine was welded to the trailer. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Weird attachment to trailer, Jitta says incinerator was welded to the trailer then chained in other places, he assumes because it would have been top heavy. You would have to unweld it to remove it from the trailer. #LauraBabcock

 

[canadiangirl]

Handicap sticker? Who's van is this? The suspense is killing me.....MS's mom? One of the plethora of DM's minions? Another stolen vehicle? MOO

Is this the one they talked about modifying? I don't know why this stands out to me.... Moo

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[Kamille]

So after this witness we're going back to the incinerator at the farm with Dr Rogers? This is so disjointed.

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Now we're seeing a photo of the white propane tank attached to the trailer. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC28s29 seconds ago
Getting some photos now of the front assembly of the trailer, and a spare tire. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews27s28 seconds ago
Close up of propane tank. Jitta says it's at the front of the trailer. Spare tire attached to front assembly of trailer, in front of propane tank. Tank has hoses attached. #LauraBabcock

 

[EspressoBean]

So after this witness we're going back to the incinerator at the farm with Dr Rogers? This is so disjointed.

They need to do this as an avenue to submit the evidence of photos, etc. Then they can go to the witnesses who have something to say about the evidence - the experts, those who needed to analyze the evidence, not just collect it.
This is scaffolding.

 

[Nosey Parker]

So after this witness we're going back to the incinerator at the farm with Dr Rogers? This is so disjointed.

I have a feeling the judge thinks so too. Hence his questions.

 

[Kamille]

Is this the one they talked about modifying? I don't know why this stands out to me.... Moo

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Could be. I know there is also the white van that JV was traded for the red truck during TB's murder. I think there might be a pic of this green van in one of the hangar pics from facebook though.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

They need to do this as an avenue to submit the evidence of photos, etc. Then they can go to the witnesses who have something to say about the evidence - the experts, those who needed to analyze the evidence, not just collect it.
This is scaffolding.

Well Dr Rogers saw the incinerator before it made it to OPP headquarters so it's still disjointed to me. :dunno:

 

[canadiangirl]

Could be. I know there is also the white van that JV was traded for the red truck during TB's murder. I think there might be a pic of this green van in one of the hangar pics from facebook though.

MOO

Yes I seem to recall that too. I remember the white van as well.
But an ugly green is coming to mind for some reason.. Like we have seen this van before. Jmo

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[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Now seeing a taped on piece of paper on the propane tank. In huge red letters: READ! This entire page before operating your incinerator." #LauraBabcock

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
Pictures now focusing on various angles of the propane tank attached to incinerator. #LauraBabcock

 

[Errrr]

I don't care how awful DM is as a lawyer. He's still better than those 2 fools he hired for the TB trial.

You get what you pay for.

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
There's a metal step in front of the words, "The Eliminator." On the metal deck is a "piece of metal or long pole" which extended the length of the deck, or the length of the Eliminator. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
He's also pointing out a long, slender pole affixed next to the incinerator. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
The jury may now be recalling the long pole #Smich was holding in nighttime pictures from the airplane hangar that we saw in court yesterday. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Now we're seeing the upper hatch of the Eliminator opened. #LauraBabcock

 

[billandrew]

Is this the one they talked about modifying? I don't know why this stands out to me.... Moo

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From the Bosma Day 54 thread:

Millard writes: "reminds me, Shane's starting modification on the white van for search and capture missions." Smich responds "I love search and destroy. Lol."
by Adam Carter 12:48 PM

There was no white van involved in the Bosma incident, Fraser says. The white van was a MillardAir company van.
by Adam Carter 12:49 PM

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...05-24-16-Day-54/page8&p=12582687#post12582687

 

[gremlingrrl]

I don't know if it's just me, or if it's just the lesser amount of coverage by reporters that don't fully show us how the crown is presenting their case, but it seems to me that the TB prosecution was much more logical and easy to follow.

The process, while frustrating, does make sense from a present and validate vs. analyze and opine perspective.

I'll also add that the sequential/chronological flow is interrupted because they are incorporating evidence used in the Bosma trial, gathered at that time, but absolutely must not make any reference to that murder or to the corresponding convictions. This flow does make it (much) more difficult to follow.

IMO

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Now we're looking in the main chamber of the incinerator. There are concrete metal bars, towards the bottom of the machine. It looks ashy inside. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Now a photo looking down into the inside of the Eliminator, from the open hatch. Bars across the bottom. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
We're seeing several photos of inside the incinerator. It looks to be empty. #LauraBabcock

 

[ADAWG]

I think it’s safe to say that we will hear here DNA is on that pole


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[canadiangirl]

From the Bosma Day 54 thread:

Millard writes: "reminds me, Shane's starting modification on the white van for search and capture missions." Smich responds "I love search and destroy. Lol."
by Adam Carter 12:48 PM

There was no white van involved in the Bosma incident, Fraser says. The white van was a MillardAir company van.
by Adam Carter 12:49 PM

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...05-24-16-Day-54/page8&p=12582687#post12582687

Thanks Bill!!

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[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Millard has no questions, nor does Dungey. Jitta is done his testimony. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
The Crown is done its examination. Millard and Dungey say they have no questions. The witness is done. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 58s58 seconds ago
The next witness is forensic anthropologist Dr. Tracy Rogers. #LauraBabcock

 

[canadiangirl]

I think it’s safe to say that we will hear here DNA is on that pole


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I would agree with that. Lots of focus on the pole for sure. Moo

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