Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.10.17 - Day 14

[Kamille]

I was always under the impression that the van SS drove and used to pick up DM after he dropped off the red truck and bring him back to the hanger was his own.

MOO

ETA: Once again billandrew saves the day!!

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC3m3 minutes ago
Rogers is now being qualified as an expert, so she can give opinion evidence. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC2m2 minutes ago
Cameron says that Rogers was asked to examine two photographs connected to the case. One of these we saw yesterday, of something burning inside the eliminator. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews2m2 minutes ago
Cameron is showing photos we saw yesterday, of what looks like something burning in The Eliminator. Rogers says she recognizes the photos. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC2m2 minutes ago
We're seeing a second photo too -- it looks like an altered version of the first one. #LauraBabcock

 

[Velma]

Schlatman had a black van. From Bosma Day 23 thread:

Police were looking at three vehicles: a 2005 red Dodge pickup registered to Millardair, a 2011 black Dodge caravan registered to Shane Schlatman, and a 2000 Blue GMC Yukon registered to Millardair.
by Adam Carter 11:04 AM

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 6s7 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Officer Griffin tailed Millard starting at 4pm. As the red dodge pick up left, a second vehicle, a black caravan began following the truck.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?302554-Bosma-Murder-Trial-03-10-16-Day-23/page4

Thanks billandrew, you're always on top of things here!

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews1m1 minute ago
Rogers prepared a report after being asked to examine those photos. She is familiar with a large animal incinerator seized from #Millards farm, she says, and she's seen the inside of that machine. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC1m1 minute ago
Rogers says she's familiar with the eliminator. She has seen it, and the inside, herself. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 46s47 seconds ago
She says the photos she was given by police look very similar to the inside of the Eliminator. #LauraBabcock

 

[SnooperDuper]

This is a very very vague memory for the TB trial, but wasn't there an instance when someone was looking for SS but he had parked his van behind/around a neighbour's house, not at his own home? Maybe I'm completely mistaken. I'm not good enough with the forum's search function to know where to start looking for the text to refresh my memory... apologies.

SS hid the red dodge truck at a friend's place:

When police came calling asking about the case, Schlatman wasn't immediately forthcoming with key details, the jury heard. When investigators asked him about the location of Millard's red Dodge pickup truck, he didn't tell them where it was.

Court has already heard Schlatman helped Millard move it to a friend's home after Bosma vanished.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/bosma-stolen-vehicles-1.3519727

 

[canadiangirl]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Rogers worked on many criminal cases, including the infamous Robert Picton case. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 23s23 seconds ago
Rogers helped search the Robert Pickton farm after the BC mass murder case. She's describing that process. Lots of bones. She went through them all to identify them as animal or human. #LauraBabcock

I specifically remember this woman saying in the TB trial how she takes extra care because it's someones loved one and she basically vacuums them up to return to their family. It was a heartbreaking reality when she said that. JMO

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[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews2m2 minutes ago
"It looks similar to the machine I saw in person. Open space with cylindrical tubes running across it." When she saw the actual machine she took measurements. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC1m1 minute ago
We're seeing one other photo -- it's a grid overlay over the previous photo, of something burning in the eliminator. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC56s57 seconds ago
Rogers says the squares in the grid represent two inches. It was used to help her take measurements of objects inside the incinerator. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews1m1 minute ago
Another similar photo provided by police has blue markings on it. Rogers says it's a grid placed by police, so that Rogers could take measurements of the matter inside the Eliminator. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC51s52 seconds ago
Rogers says: "I was able to state that the objects in the incinerator appear similar to human bone." #LauraBabcock #Millard #Smich

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews55s55 seconds ago
Rogers says she was able to say that the objects in the incinerator "appear similar to human bone." Resolution of photo presented a challenge. Not otherwise unusual to analyze from a photo, she says. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC1m1 minute ago
She says she was working just with the available photos to make that determination. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC18s19 seconds ago
A note: The CBC Has chosen not to publish this photo. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

So she is able to identify human bones in that picture they took of the inside of the incinerator while it was burning.

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
What is the effect of burning on human remains, Cameron asks. Bone has organic (collagen) and inorganic parts -- the inorganic parts don't burn. Burnt bones usually retain their shape. #LauraBabcock

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal
2m2 minutes ago
When human bone is burned, Dr. Rogers says much if it doesn't burn. Will generally retain its shape, shrink and twist but remain intact.

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal2m2 minutes ago
Dr. Rogers says bone becomes more fragile when burned. So if pressure is applied or it's jarred, it will break, fall apart. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC2m2 minutes ago
Cameron asks what happens when you burn human remains. Rogers says human bones have organic and inorganic parts. The organic part will burn off, the inorganic doesn't burn, but it can crack. "It might shrink a little bit, and it might twist as it's drying out," Rogers says.

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC3m3 minutes ago
"The only way that it becomes damages and into little tiny fragments if something happens to it ... during this process it becomes more fragile, so it's easier to break."

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews2m2 minutes ago
Burnt bones are more fragile though, and can be broken with agitation. Cameron asks if the same thing happens with commercial cremation. Rogers says yes. Once a body is finished heating the bones stay intact. They are later compressed with pressure. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC2m2 minutes ago
Rogers says in commercial cremation, bones are sort of sifted, to crush them into dust, like you'd see in an urn. The bones themselves don't burn off -- they just become more brittle, and are crushed. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews2m2 minutes ago
Rogers has circled one portion of the burning photo. The bone she's found looks like a human radius -- left outer forearm. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC
2m2 minutes ago
One of the bones was similar to a human radius bone, Rogers says, likely a left outer forearm. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews
38s38 seconds ago
The bone-like thing is horizontally laid across the tubes, the judge clarifies for the record. "The end (of the bone) looks similar to the end of the wrist of the radius," Rogers says. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC
37s37 seconds ago
Rogers says the end of one of the objects looks similar to the wrist end of the radius bone. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC 43s44 seconds ago
Rogers says she "can't say for certain" that this is a human radius though. Again, she's just going on a photo. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

For anyone with the stomach for it the pic is at this link....

http://torontosun.com/gallery/court-exhibits-of-accused-killers-mark-smich-and-dellen-millard

 

[Velma]

For anyone with the stomach for it the pic is at this link....

http://torontosun.com/gallery/court-exhibits-of-accused-killers-mark-smich-and-dellen-millard

That's very powerful. I probably should not have clicked.

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Part of the photo is too bright to be useable for Rogers' identification. She took a deer radius and a human radius from the university collection for comparison. Next photo. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC3m3 minutes ago
Cameron now asking if this bone is at all similar to a deer radius bone. #LauraBabcock

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal3m3 minutes ago
Court now seeing a comparison photo. Human radius bone on right vs. deer bone on left. Human radius is thinner.

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews3m3 minutes ago
Human radius appears a bit thinner, Rogers agrees. The human one is more uneven on top, she points out. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC3m3 minutes ago
Rogers says a human radius extends a little further, the two sides aren't the same. On the deer radius, things are more equal. #LauraBabcock

 

[canadiangirl]

For anyone with the stomach for it the pic is at this link....

http://torontosun.com/gallery/court-exhibits-of-accused-killers-mark-smich-and-dellen-millard

Why the F would anyone photograph that?
First of all it is seriously disturbing.
But as well, leave a trail much?
Wtf
RIP Laura

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[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC
7m7 minutes ago
Rogers says a human radius extends a little further, the two sides aren't the same. On the deer radius, things are more equal. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC
5m5 minutes ago
Rogers now talking about comparing measurements of bones. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews
4m4 minutes ago
Rogers was able to measure the width of the bone in the incinerator photo. The end was about 25mm, she says. How does that compare with deer radius? Rogers explains she compared a bunch of human bones, mostly female, from different cultural populations. #LauraBabcock

[video=twitter;929080887995592704]https://twitter.com/MarkCarcGlobal/status/929080887995592704[/video]

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC4m4 minutes ago
Rogers says that she actually got a human bone and a deer bone from the university's collection and compared them both, for this exercise. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC2m2 minutes ago
Rogers took measurements from the gridded photo. She says it was 25 mm. On average, a US female average for that bone was 27 mm. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews55s56 seconds ago
The average female radius bone was 26mm, male was 31, and the deer version 39mm, Rogers says. #LauraBabcock

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC53s54 seconds ag
The same measurement for a deer was 39 mm, Rogers says. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account
@AdamCarterCBC43s43 seconds ago
Rogers has zoomed in on one portion of the photo to highlight an area. #LauraBabcock

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account
@MarkCarcGlobal1m1 minute ago
Court now seeing a zoomed in view of the fragment in question, prepared by Dr. Rogers. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

Hey Velma, are you able to pick up the tweets?