Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.23.17 - Day 21

[matou]

Dellen Millard sent letters to girlfriend telling her Laura Babcock had overdosed in his basement, court hears

“Whatever it is you believe it needs to be put aside, this is what happened,” Millard wrote in one of the letters shown in court Thursday.


“I told you Laura was over doing coke with Mark in the basement. We went to say hi to them. You saw her alive with Mark. There was coke on the bar.”


He compared the Toronto police investigation on to a storm, a letter showed.


“Later when she was reported missing, you asked me if I knew anything,” Millard wrote. “I told you that Mark had told me that she had OD’d, probably from mixing her prescriptions with Mark’s coke.”

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ad-overdosed-in-his-basement-court-hears.html

 

[redheart]

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https://twitter.com/HefCHCHNews/status/933821822952525824

Boy, he's got a lot of nerve ripping on Marlena for not being able to spell hangar....

 

[RezButt]

Re: Smich, I get that people have different perspectives. But I really am shocked at the amount of (un)reasonable doubt people are giving him. This isn’t directed at anyone in particular, but we’re talking about investigation that likely cost north of $5 million to complete. Speaking for myself, I am underwhelmed at the evidence but that comes from the mystery of all the redactions, publication bans and legal arguments in the TB trial.

The direct indictment would not have been granted if people (the AG, crown and LE) well versed in the criminal code did not believe they have a slam dunk case.

i think part of the apprehension comes from trying to put non-criminal thoughts into a criminals brain. DM and MS are psychopaths who got a thrill out of taking someone’s life.

MOO

 

[JuneBug67]

Boy, he's got a lot of nerve ripping on Marlena for not being able to spell hangar....

Do you remember Dellen "Clarence Darrow" Millard spelling the word subpeona "sepina"? That was a doozy.

 

[redheart]

Do you remember Dellen "Clarence Darrow" Millard spelling the word subpeona "sepina"? That was a doozy.

LOL, no, I'd forgotten that gem. There are a few others, as well.

 

[matou]

I wonder if CNs friends will wake up now based on what was disclosed in this case? Sorry, but this makes me just so pizzed.

 

[Grey-St]

Message from MM: Hey Dell, how do you spell "guilty"? :seeya:

I love this. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[redheart]

Re: Smich, I get that people have different perspectives. But I really am shocked at the amount of (un)reasonable doubt people are giving him. This isn’t directed at anyone in particular, but we’re talking about investigation that likely cost north of $5 million to complete. Speaking for myself, I am underwhelmed at the evidence but that comes from the mystery of all the redactions, publication bans and legal arguments in the TB trial.

The direct indictment would not have been granted if people (the AG, crown and LE) well versed in the criminal did not believe they have a slam dunk case.

i think part of the apprehension comes from trying to put non-criminal thoughts into a criminals brain. DM and MS are psychopaths who got a thrill out of taking someone’s life.

MOO

I wish there was more evidence against MS, because I want it to be easy for the jury. I am hoping the Crown will finish with a strong closing argument that shows the big picture. Listening to many witnesses over the weeks of a trial, it can be easy to get lost in the details and get hung up on specifics. As we kept hearing in TB's case - it's the totality of the evidence that is important.

 

[Stumper]

I don't think this is true. They can ask whatever they want as long as its relevant to the case. DM was asking MM about MS abusing her and other things the crown didn't ask.

Now if DM or MS go to the stand, they can't be asked about their criminal record unless they bring up DM or MS bring up their character

Very interesting. I did not know that, thank you for sharing

 

[LibTech]

Here's a link to the letters that were released in the TB trial, 138 pages in all.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2821615-Millardletters.html

 

[matou]

“To get out of this bind I need help. I won’t ask you to give testimony that can be disproved. We need to get our stories straight, I need to know what you’re willing to do…You said you wanted to be a secret agent, be mine? …here’s your chance to be a covert operative. Help could be testimony or other things, like secretly delivering a message. Just staying quiet has been an immense help already.”


He signed off that letter by saying: “I love you. I am not afraid.”

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ad-overdosed-in-his-basement-court-hears.html

 

[canadiangirl]

How do I link a reporter? This is on Lisa Hepfner twitter. Oops apparently Im behind lol sorry!

Sent from my SM-T320 using Tapatalk

 

[leafs_fan93]

They were written in jail. They were DMs jailhouse letters.

Sorry if the was answered, just trying to get caught up.

Yes, they were written in jail. IIRC the only point the crown made re: the letters was that the search of the noudga home where they were found was done before charges were laid in LBs disappearance. Thus making the point, why are you coming up with an alabi for/ trying to pin something on MS that you haven't even been charged with?

The jury will draw their own conclusions as to why he was writing her letters instead of calling/texting/meeting with. Though as many of us assume - many on the jury are probably aware of the previous crime.

 

[hopingforjustice]

So, this should clear up the fact that CN KNEW what happened to LB. Instead of proclaiming his innocence, which IMO he would do if she didn't know his guilt or innocence, he told her the alibi that THEY would BOTH use. Which means she likely knew about TB as well since he provided an alibi to that, as well. She knew everything.

JMO The very fact that she hired an attorney immediately after the search, without even being charged with anything told me she had knowledge and/or was implicated in the crimes. If she was just a "shocked" girlfriend that was worried and scared because unbeknownst to her , the man she loved was a criminal, that attorney would have guided her straight to the police and offered up testimony against him. Not a chance in my mind is she free of guilt in all of these activities. But again JMO

 

[DeaconBrodie]

At the beginning of this trial, was DMs criminal record not disclosed to the jury? They did it with MW. It’s a past charge and conviction and on record now. I can’t see this really being a problem. When TB case was being tried, there could be no mention of LB or WM as those charges weren’t tried yet in court.

JMO

Definitely not, for many reasons.

The main reason is that the prejudicial effect of the jury knowing of the convictions would outweigh the probative value. In other words, it would predispose the jury to a guilty verdict.

Another important reason is that the events resulting in the conviction post dated the events that are at issue in this trial. In other words, at the time of this offense, he had a clean record. To allow the Crown to choose which charges to pursue first in order to be able to get an early conviction that they can then use to taint a jury on an earlier chronological time, but later, weaker case would be unfair to the accused.

 

[JuneBug67]

Message from MM: Hey Dell, how do you spell "guilty"? :seeya:

In my head she answered his original question "H...a...n...g........h.i.m."

 

[RezButt]

I wonder if CNs friends will wake up now based on what was disclosed in this case? Sorry, but this makes me just so pizzed.

I don’t think those people read the news other than the regular mainstream stuff that dominates social media (Trump, the alt-right, Nazis and the like)

 

[Stumper]

Absolutely no evidence to prove either of those things. Millard is on record as telling multiple people the incinerator was for an animal cremation business, Smich may have been told the same. Unlikely, but without evidence to prove any different...

Hey Andreww,

I have enjoyed and agreed with many of your contributions. I have a hard time grasping your absolutism on this.. I personally feel that there is plenty of evidence to find MS guilty of M1. He was heavily involved in the planning and prep of the incinerator and gun acquisition (I feel it has been adequately proven the incinerator was neither for garbage or pets) He showed a uncharacteristic interest and gumption about the setup and testing of multiple incinerator units which seeming ramped up considerably after the alledged murder took place. He obviously was interested in bones to test the unit on. I feel it proven that he was was present at the time of her death. He had possession of belongings that were with LB immediately before her disappearance. And I feel that it is proven that he gleefully and with great pride helped with the disposal of her body. Then he wrote a song to commemorate the experience and admitted to the cime to one of the most credible witnesses in the whole trial.

An increadable amount of evidence in my opinion.

If someone is partner to obtaining a illegal weapon and a body disposal device that seemingly has no other possible legit purpose then the same person is present at the last known contact of a disappeard person, then the same person takes smiling photos of burning a person in the very same body disposal device they helped procure, then the same night they write a rap perfectly discribing the whole affairn which they later perform for others and explain that they actually did kill a girl and dispose of the body, then a year later they are found in possession of the missing persons personal effects known to have been with them immediately before their “disappearance”

I honestly can’t imagine what more evidence you could need aside from a video of him actively doing the crime.. The fact is that murders try to hide thief involvement in there crimes

 

[Grey-St]

Definitely not, for many reasons.

The main reason is that the prejudicial effect of the jury knowing of the convictions would outweigh the probative value. In other words, it would predispose the jury to a guilty verdict.

Another important reason is that the events resulting in the conviction post dated the events that are at issue in this trial. In other words, at the time of this offense, he had a clean record. To allow the Crown to choose which charges to pursue first in order to be able to get an early conviction that they can then use to taint a jury on an earlier chronological time, but later, weaker case would be unfair to the accused.

Also, MWJ was a witness, he wasn't the one on trial this week. His criminal record being heard had no prejudicial effect.

 

[james9]

So he gives Smich the ipad to pin the murder on him.

I don't know if that was the original intention. I think the plan to pin it on MS was something that he thought about after he realized the police were probably closing in on him. Based on how dumb/careless he was, I can't imagine he had the foresight to give MS the iPad for the purpose of pinning the murder on him.