LiLo failed drug screen over weekend

[tapu]

Bail must be made available for misdemeanor charges unless the person is no danger and not flight risk.

Well, at least that's what I read. It amazes me how much contradictory info you can run into.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I wonder if she will be forced to detox in jail ?

Cold turkey could potentially kill her. Is any sort of step-down, harm reduction program available ?

o/t, I know, but ..... Did you all enjoy the Sermon on the Mount from Michael and his Disciple ? Oi.

I don't know about the jail she is in but it's been my experience that you can either get sent to the medical unit or stay put but jailers are supposed to keep a close eye on those they feel are high risk for withdrawl- watching for symptoms of withdrawl, depression, self harm, anxiety, etc and act accordingly. Sometimes they'll give maintenance doses, taper you off or simply let you withdrawl cold turkey while keeping a close watch on your physical health. They are all supposed to learn the symptoms of withdrawl and mental health issues so they know what to expect and when to act but often times it takes a week before you even get to SEE someone from medical, meantime you have been off your meds and nobody cares.. "medical will get here as soon as they can" type attitude.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Bail must be made available for misdemeanor charges unless the person is no danger and not flight risk.

Well, at least that's what I read. It amazes me how much contradictory info you can run into.

Sadly, nobody's a danger till someone gets hurt! :banghead:

 

[OneLostGrl]

Pills were my drug of choice, too. So convenient, so clean--pretty even. I could swallow them dry in H.S. classes and no one the wiser. Far better than drinking. I peg Lindsay as a pill addict, too. Alcohol, coke, pot--they're not what's gonna get her. And pills are the fastest ticket to finale by OD.

Bold is mine-
No doubt! Just typing out "Halcion"- my heart started pounding and I swear I started to drool. LOL :crazy:

 

[tapu]

Annie LaMott, a recovering addict, says that you never lose it. She said recently when the vet gave her pills for her cat, to be taken 1 in a.m. and 1 in p.m., she took the cat home, looked at it and the pills, and said, "The kitty needs 4."

 

[southcitymom]

All my love to LL - with prayers for her highest good!

 

[Kat]

I had hoped against hope that she was going to get the help she needs this time.

This is ugly, but watching an addict that is practicing is always ugly. It's so ugly that sometimes it's hard for find compassion and sympathy for the addict IMHO.

But this young lady is headed for disaster IMHO. If it's this ugly from a distance, can you imagine how raw and ugly it is up close and personal with Lindsey? I've seen a few addicts in my day, there is always collateral damage, meaning when they go down or OD they take the best of a lot of people who do love them with them. JMHO.

 

[Fairy1]

I had hoped against hope that she was going to get the help she needs this time.

This is ugly, but watching an addict that is practicing is always ugly. It's so ugly that sometimes it's hard for find compassion and sympathy for the addict IMHO.

But this young lady is headed for disaster IMHO. If it's this ugly from a distance, can you imagine how raw and ugly it is up close and personal with Lindsey? I've seen a few addicts in my day, there is always collateral damage, meaning when they go down or OD they take the best of a lot of people who do love them with them. JMHO.

Of course, you're right, Kat. But I've yet to see evidence of anyone in LiLo's life caring enough about HER to keep that from happening.

I so, so, so hope this latest rehab will help her to clean up her life - of the drugs and the less-than-stellar influences in her precarious life. Beginning with her own parents.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Lindsay Lohan In Rehab

We told you yesterday ... Lindsay was checking into a Southern California rehab facility. Well she's now there.

The plan is for Lindsay to stay at least until the next court hearing on October 22.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/23/linds...addiction-southern-california-court-check-in/

 

[Kat]

I will continue to hope that she accepts the help and gets the help she needs to overcome this and grow spiritually and emotionally into a whole human being.

As a side note: I watched my Grandmother drink herself to death. She died when I was 14 yrs old, and I had lived with her off and on over the years up until that point.

It's brutal.

On topic, I hope that Lindsey does have at least one person in her life that loves her unconditionally and loves her enough to stand by her when she seeks help and to tell her when her behavior is unacceptable (not that I think it would change any of that unacceptable behavior).

Not trying to make this personal, just wanted to share what I've seen and that it's not only a struggle for the practicing addict but also the recovering addict (early on in the recovery) and the ones that helplessly stand by and watch someone destroy themselves.

All JMHO.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

tapu and onelostgirl: I would like to hear your opinions on how Greg Giraldo accidentally overdosed by "mixing up his prescrition pills" as has been reported.

I am assuming a ruling by a medical examiner determines whether an event like this was accidental overdose or suicide? Overdose = blood levels high enough to cause death but not "over the top" Suicide = extremely high levels of something, much more than one would take accidentally?

Also, I am assuming one or more narcotic analgesics was involved - but then again, who knows.

Any comments?

 

[tapu]

Oh!, hi, AlwaysShocked.

I just saw this. And I do have some thoughts on the way OD cases are phrased in the news....

Regarding, "mixed up his prescription meds." If you mixed up your Rx meds, you would take one instead of the other. But you'd be taking meds that are both prescribed for you. Now, I suppose it could happen that you were supposed to take 1 y and 3 z, and instead you took 3 y and 1 z. But if that were enough to equal "overdose," you'd think your doctor or your pharmacist (without doubt your pharmacist) might have mentioned it. Is there some scenario I haven't thought of that would turn mixing up meds into an overdose?

As for how one could distinguish between accidental overdose and suicide.... That's an interesting question.

I think what you said is a good guess: With an accidental overdose, meaning you wanted to get high but overdid it, yes, I'd think a level to kill you, but not "overkill" if you will, with most of the drug absorbed at the time of death. (I know I'd add drugs over time, trying to push that high out longer. Plus, you forget what you've taken.)

For a suicide, I'd bet there's lots of drugs in the stomach, with some not absorbed. It takes a while to swallow many pills and you could hit the lethal level but keep downing them before you actually were incapacitated. Sometimes, suicides vomit up all those pills. Then, 3 things can happen: 1) it saves them; 2) it doesn't matter and they just are found with puke all over them; and 3), which I guess is not all that uncommon, they are too incapacitated to do anything for themselves and they choke to death on the vomit.

Neat, huh? Now you can see how getting a potential suicide to talk through their method can sometimes dissuade them. (Not often, probably, but I think it's one technique.)

Wonder where onelostgirl is... oh, lost.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Oh!, hi, AlwaysShocked.

I just saw this. And I do have some thoughts on the way OD cases are phrased in the news....

Regarding, "mixed up his prescription meds." If you mixed up your Rx meds, you would take one instead of the other. But you'd be taking meds that are both prescribed for you. Now, I suppose it could happen that you were supposed to take 1 y and 3 z, and instead you took 3 y and 1 z. But if that were enough to equal "overdose," you'd think your doctor or your pharmacist (without doubt your pharmacist) might have mentioned it. Is there some scenario I haven't thought of that would turn mixing up meds into an overdose?

As for how one could distinguish between accidental overdose and suicide.... That's an interesting question.

I think what you said is a good guess: With an accidental overdose, meaning you wanted to get high but overdid it, yes, I'd think a level to kill you, but not "overkill" if you will, with most of the drug absorbed at the time of death. (I know I'd add drugs over time, trying to push that high out longer. Plus, you forget what you've taken.)

For a suicide, I'd bet there's lots of drugs in the stomach, with some not absorbed. It takes a while to swallow many pills and you could hit the lethal level but keep downing them before you actually were incapacitated. Sometimes, suicides vomit up all those pills. Then, 3 things can happen: 1) it saves them; 2) it doesn't matter and they just are found with puke all over them; and 3), which I guess is not all that uncommon, they are too incapacitated to do anything for themselves and they choke to death on the vomit.

Neat, huh? Now you can see how getting a potential suicide to talk through their method can sometimes dissuade them. (Not often, probably, but I think it's one technique.)

Wonder where onelostgirl is... oh, lost.

I concur. Can't add a thing!

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Thanks to both of you. I heard Daddy Michael the other evening on one of the shows. She is now in Betty Ford and he objects to that place because he says they will continue giving her meds.

If UCLA found that she doesn't need Adderal and this place concurs, I don't understand why would he thinks she would still be given those meds. I do not know much about this drug - if it is one that the patient needs to be withdrawn from slowly or not.

 

[tapu]

I've toured Betty Ford Center.

Separate from that (touring it wouldn't tell me this), I would betcha that the Betty Ford Institute is on the forefront of addiction treatment, utilizing the best in psychopharmacology, cognitive behavioral therapy, nutrition and exercise programs, and spiritual programs.

Daddy Michael there doesn't know ****.

jmo

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Looks like Lindsay is still up to the same old antics. She just doesn't get it

http://www.comcast.net/entertainment/popcast/6269358/lindsaybustedwhiletryingtoescaperehab/

 

[tapu]

I can tell by the comments with that article that this seems like a big deal to a lot of people. I don't know, though.... Little things in rehab, like trying to get a decent cup of real coffee, go on all the time. It helps people let off steam.

They were "caught." There's a discussion, and probably small sanctions are put upon them. It's all part of how it works, really. Think of it as a conditioning process. They know how to break down this kind of person (in a good way). Much better than the penal system does.

I am glad to see that the mainstream media did not pick up on this story. (Yet.)

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

The other shoe may finally have dropped for Team LiLo. You know, the one based in reality.

All has been quiet on the Lindsay Lohan front since she was jailed , bailed and checked into rehab last month, but that will change come Friday, when the ever troubled starlet is due in court to answer for her cocaine-using probation violation.

And now comes word that her no doubt fatigued team of lawyers may have finally, begrudgingly accepted the inevitable: Lindsay has finally run out of get-out-of-jail-free cards.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/entertainment-eonline/20101019/b206412/

 

[Steely Dan]

Lilo's dad will no longer talk to the media.

Link

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Lilo's dad will no longer talk to the media.

Link

Uh huh, sure.