Live MSM coverage on baby Lisa 21 October 2011- including Nancy Grace

[TheDuchess]

Here's the actual video interview with that statement--

Begins at about 1:15 http://video.foxnews.com/v/1213192088001

I just watched the video again. I still feel she is telling the truth. Here is what I honestly think about the statement and why he stopped. I think he was reciting a list of people who they came up with and when he got to that one, he had someone specific in his mind and thought better of completing it because he probably felt they would know who he was talking about. He wasn't saying these were unknown people-he was just coming up with specific names of people who had been through these situations, or who thought were perhaps dishonest or "not nice" people. I don't think he was talking about some phantom person that would steal a baby because they cheated on their wife. He also didn't say it snottily or angrily to Lisa. I sensed nothing from that line of speech. Also-I didn't hear Lisa say "no." She was shaking her head as she had been throughout the interview as if to say-"no idea."

There is just something about the way she speaks of her daughter in that interview when she starts to crumble when talking about how beautiful she is that seemed so very genuine to me. This is where I have a really difficult time with thinking she is guilty. There has been no one to come out and say she is violent, has a drinking problem, is vindictive, she has no history of violent behavior and stoic or not, her husband is standing right by her side, as is her family.

I just am going to need a lot more before I get off my fence.:fence:

 

[katydid23]

Still on the fence here until I see some actual evidence,,,,but maybe I am the only one who didn't think this was weird because I actually thought the same thing as well...maybe someone who cheated on their husband and got divorced and lost their child or something. I know it doesn't make sense, but I was considering stream of conscious thoughts to a scared and confused father, just trying to think of some reason for someone to do this to someone.

I also don't have a problem with the wording of the press release. They aren't looking for praise, just asking for less criticism. Yes-mom admitted to drinking and the possibility of blacking out. She didn't say she did black out or possibly blacked out, just that it was a possibility. She seemed to me to be someone who likes to drink at night after the kids have gone off to bed and probably drinks more than she should-but I know a LOT of people who do that! I don't, but I do know a lot of people who do live that way unapologetically.

The bottom line is that even if this woman was drunk and irresponsible, would a kidnapping be any less of a crime? If a woman dresses a certain way, is she asking to be raped? If you are hanging out in a bad neighborhood, is it OK for someone to mug you? Neither probably the smartest or most responsible things to do, but it doesn't make the crime any less.

All I say is that we hold our judgement based on the facts and not our feelings-at this point. I am teetering on the fence myself, but I refuse to pass judgement just yet. If there is a possibility that this child has been kidnapped, I pity these people more than I could ever judge them. I wouldn't wish this kind of thing on my worst enemy. Should they be completely investigated? Absolutely. But I also think there is still a possibility that the child was kidnapped.

JMO

I had wine or even margaritas after my kids were asleep, many times. But I made sure to lock up the house and close the windows first. And I did not put a sick infant into her crib at 06:40, and then never check on her again. That is pathetic, bordering on criminal, especially when the door is unlocked and a window open.

IMO, it is 'safe' to have a few drinks after the kids are fully down for the night. But NOT at 06:40 pm. And even then, you cannot drink to the point of passing out drunk. That is how drunk she was because she does not remember if she turned out the lights, if she ever checked on her sick baby, or locked the front door. That is just plain WRONG and I have no problem making that judgement. It is just like driving drunk with a child in your car. Being so drunk that you leave your children unattended, and you are unable to provide basic care, that is negligent, imo.

 

[katydid23]

I just watched the video again. I still feel she is telling the truth. Here is what I honestly think about the statement and why he stopped. I think he was reciting a list of people who they came up with and when he got to that one, he had someone specific in his mind and thought better of completing it because he probably felt they would know who he was talking about. He wasn't saying these were unknown people-he was just coming up with specific names of people who had been through these situations, or who thought were perhaps dishonest or "not nice" people. I don't think he was talking about some phantom person that would steal a baby because they cheated on their wife. He also didn't say it snottily or angrily to Lisa. I sensed nothing from that line of speech. Also-I didn't hear Lisa say "no." She was shaking her head as she had been throughout the interview as if to say-"no idea."

There is just something about the way she speaks of her daughter in that interview when she starts to crumble when talking about how beautiful she is that seemed so very genuine to me. This is where I have a really difficult time with thinking she is guilty. There has been no one to come out and say she is violent, has a drinking problem, is vindictive, she has no history of violent behavior and stoic or not, her husband is standing right by her side, as is her family.

I just am going to need a lot more before I get off my fence.:fence:

IMO, we KNOW she has a drinking problem. Any mother who is the sole caregiver for her 3 kids at night, but decides to drink between FIVE and TEN glasses of wine, has a drinking problem. imoo

 

[AngelWings444]

Still on the fence here until I see some actual evidence,,,,but maybe I am the only one who didn't think this was weird because I actually thought the same thing as well...maybe someone who cheated on their husband and got divorced and lost their child or something. I know it doesn't make sense, but I was considering stream of conscious thoughts to a scared and confused father, just trying to think of some reason for someone to do this to someone.

I also don't have a problem with the wording of the press release. They aren't looking for praise, just asking for less criticism. Yes-mom admitted to drinking and the possibility of blacking out. She didn't say she did black out or possibly blacked out, just that it was a possibility. She seemed to me to be someone who likes to drink at night after the kids have gone off to bed and probably drinks more than she should-but I know a LOT of people who do that! I don't, but I do know a lot of people who do live that way unapologetically.

The bottom line is that even if this woman was drunk and irresponsible, would a kidnapping be any less of a crime? If a woman dresses a certain way, is she asking to be raped? If you are hanging out in a bad neighborhood, is it OK for someone to mug you? Neither probably the smartest or most responsible things to do, but it doesn't make the crime any less.

All I say is that we hold our judgement based on the facts and not our feelings-at this point. I am teetering on the fence myself, but I refuse to pass judgement just yet. If there is a possibility that this child has been kidnapped, I pity these people more than I could ever judge them. I wouldn't wish this kind of thing on my worst enemy. Should they be completely investigated? Absolutely. But I also think there is still a possibility that the child was kidnapped.

JMO

A cadaver dog hit on the scent of death, beside the parents bed. Not going by feelings about this case, just a fact released by the search warrant today. Maybe the kidnapper killed someone by the Mom's bed, before baby Lisa was taken? :innocent:

 

[LancelotLink]

I watched all three videos of the JJP interview and wanted to reach through the screen and slap the peewadden out of that histrionic mess.
And I still got the hinkies at the way DB would look up at JI. Creepy as heck.

 

[Quiche]

I just watched the video again. I still feel she is telling the truth. Here is what I honestly think about the statement and why he stopped. I think he was reciting a list of people who they came up with and when he got to that one, he had someone specific in his mind and thought better of completing it because he probably felt they would know who he was talking about. He wasn't saying these were unknown people-he was just coming up with specific names of people who had been through these situations, or who thought were perhaps dishonest or "not nice" people. I don't think he was talking about some phantom person that would steal a baby because they cheated on their wife. He also didn't say it snottily or angrily to Lisa. I sensed nothing from that line of speech. Also-I didn't hear Lisa say "no." She was shaking her head as she had been throughout the interview as if to say-"no idea."

There is just something about the way she speaks of her daughter in that interview when she starts to crumble when talking about how beautiful she is that seemed so very genuine to me. This is where I have a really difficult time with thinking she is guilty. There has been no one to come out and say she is violent, has a drinking problem, is vindictive, she has no history of violent behavior and stoic or not, her husband is standing right by her side, as is her family.

I just am going to need a lot more before I get off my fence.:fence:

Those darn fences, lol, interesting what knocks us off and what keeps us on!
This interview wasn't a turning point for me, but it sure stunned me when he said it, lest we forget that she is a married woman, and it's not to him.

His silent non-expression has had me curious, but it's the lack of cooperation three days in, the inconsistencies that are cropping up, the strange condition of the home that reeks of staging, the cell phones and call, the lawyers and national media blitzes, the shunning of local news early on... they just went into self protection waaaaaay too soon, and little Lisa seems to be secondary. And now a HRD hit in the bedroom. Ugh, I'm off the fence, yep, and with a bum burning thud.

 

[RT51]

I had wine or even margaritas after my kids were asleep, many times. But I made sure to lock up the house and close the windows first. And I did not put a sick infant into her crib at 06:40, and then never check on her again. That is pathetic, bordering on criminal, especially when the door is unlocked and a window open.

IMO, it is 'safe' to have a few drinks after the kids are fully down for the night. But NOT at 06:40 pm. And even then, you cannot drink to the point of passing out drunk. That is how drunk she was because she does not remember if she turned out the lights, if she ever checked on her sick baby, or locked the front door. That is just plain WRONG and I have no problem making that judgement. It is just like driving drunk with a child in your car. Being so drunk that you leave your children unattended, and you are unable to provide basic care, that is negligent, imo.

I agree. She is broadcasting that she was negligent. Who would do that? Wouldn't most deny being negligent? I certainly would!

 

[AlmostGone]

Im wondering why LE didnt want the search warrant to be released, any ideas?

 

[RT51]

Fuel for the defense?

 

[cluciano63]

Im wondering why LE didnt want the search warrant to be released, any ideas?

I think LE never wants anything revealed, for the most part, if they can help it, kind of standard procedure. Also, they may only have put the minimum amount of evidence on the request in order to get the warrant, knowing that it was likely to end up being made public. Perhaps they have more evidence they have held back. They don't need to share it with anyone until they decide to press charges.

 

[yllek]

I respect those that are on the fence and those who firmly believe that no one in Lisa's family is involved in her disappearance.

One thing that I feel keeps coming up though and I think is incorrect: the idea that those who were never on the fence or have fallen off the fence are somehow unfairly judging or aren't as desperately hoping that Lisa is still alive. I believe Debbi Bradley knows where her daughter is located and is responsbile for the fact that sweet Lisa is not safely in her bed tonight.

At the same time, I hope to be wrong and I want Lisa to be alive with my whole heart and soul. I am using all of the facts, circumstances, and my personal experiences to make a judgement based on what is known at this time. I don't trust Lisa's mom based on these factors. That is my judgement at this juncture (just as those on the fence or those in the "mom is completely innocent" camp have used their judgement to form their opinions in the matter -equally valid).

Personally, I think rational judgement is positive. Judgement is not a negative, imo. I respect people who use their best judgement as we navigate life; even if that judgement leads to the least wanted conclusion. Good faith judgement is essential to survival, imo. But, keeping an open mind and changing one's opinion and judgement as more facts and knowledge is gained is key to personal growth. JMO...

Those who have formed the opinion that sweet Lisa may indeed have been betrayed by someone(s) closest to her are in no way guilty of being less compassionate or less hopeful for Lisa's safety. Likewise, those who don't believe Lisa was harmed by a family member should not be accused of enabling those who harmed Lisa if it turns out that a family member(s) was indeed responsible for Lisa's disappearance. We are all just using our best judgement at this time. Diversity is good. I have complete faith that WSers all want the best possible outcome for the known victim. We all equally wish for a positive outcome for little Lisa Irwin.

JMO...

 

[Seaturtle]

I don't know one person either Abby. Then again, I imagine neither of us would ever think to cover up something so tragic, accident or snap. I do see families where it might be more conceivable that family members would be willing to assist in such as situation, in my line of work. A couple of things that I've posted with links in other threads makes me think that Debbi and those close to her and her fiancee may be intentionally or unintentionally willing to cover or deny. Family dynamics differ and levels of enablement and disfunction differ.

Snipped by me for space.

As we are all discussing the possibilities of what might have happened, many of us are having trouble wrapping our heads around the possibility that she might be responsible for Lisa's disappearance. Others are convinced or hoping that if she is responsible, it was a tragic accident that she felt she needed to cover up. If perfect strangers are having a difficult time imagining the worst, I can only guess what it must be like for family members.

You are right, without knowing the family dynamics or having any insight to who she might have trusted enough to ask for help or what she might have told them to get help it is hard to imagine one way or another.

Personally, I'm not seeing any circumstances that would convince any of my family, friends or neighbors to help me dispose of a child's body, stage a kidnapping, and lie to LE. Frankly, there might not be anything left of me for LE to get after some of my family got through with me if I were to hurt one of my kids. But like you, I do know people who absolutely would expect and likely get that kind of help from their families.

 

[cluciano63]

As much as I hope it is not the case, I do wonder why people have so much trouble thinking mom could be responsible, especially WS people, when we see it day after day, literally. JMO

 

[marge_rita]

I believe there are a couple of possibilities why the phones are missing: 1) there is a call/text at 2:38am (possibly a 'disposable' (untraceable) phone at the other end of the communication?) and/or 2) it confuses the crime scene to have both the baby and the cell phones missing; an attempt to stage the scene that the kidnapper took them to prevent someone inside the house from calling 911.

MOO

Sounds very likely to me.

Can LE find the cell phone record of the call made at 2:38am?
Would the record show who was the callee and the caller? tia

imo

 

[marge_rita]

That was one of the strangest remarks considering the timing and circumstances.

:waitasec:

I kind of felt that comment was an indirect comment from J to D.

 

[cheko1]

If DB never had anything to hide than all she had to do was tell the truth! Most everything she has said is a lie! She is changing her story to try making things fit for herself to convince the world she is innocent,

Then when she changes her story she said she put her to bed at 6:40 she was whining. Not to check on her for 4 hrs. Who had baby Lisa why she went to the store for her wine? Yet she had 2 school age kids & she let them stay up til 10:30 on a school night???? At 6 & 8 years of age?

I can't give her the mother of the year award / nor in MHO does she deserve it! JMHO

 

[Mustang Sally]

As much as I hope it is not the case, I do wonder why people have so much trouble thinking mom could be responsible, especially WS people, when we see it day after day, literally. JMO

I agree with you...We all wish that the parent is not responsible because the "Parent" created the child and in a perfect world...they SHOULD keep the child safe from harm to the bes.t of their ability.

Sadly we DO NOT want to think that a parent would kill or harm what they and God CREATED!!

BUT...as you said, we end up seeing it again and again...Casey Anthony, Diane Downs, Susan Smith and possibily the 3 little boys from Michigan??? I can"t remember the Crazy Dads Name ( too much Chocolate Wine for ME!!!) (But at least I am retired and Home Alone!!)....and the sad list goes on and on.....

Dear God...Please Bring Little Lisa Home Safe and Sound

 

[MsFacetious]

As much as I hope it is not the case, I do wonder why people have so much trouble thinking mom could be responsible, especially WS people, when we see it day after day, literally. JMO

Tears.
This woman had TEARS.

Casey Anthony
Susan Smith
Stephanie Sloop

I could even name innocent parents who didn't have tears.

This woman strikes me as keeping it together most of the time but occasionally losing it and crying hysterically.

She had tears.
She was hysterical about something. Most people don't cry like that out of fear because they killed their child.
That type of crying is usually hysteria because their child is GONE.
I want to know why she was crying if it wasn't because her child is gone and she has nothing to do with it.

If it wasn't for that... and the ridiculous reasons I'm seeing to make her look guilty... I might be able to wrap my head around it.
I don't really have a problem usually believing a parent killed a child...they are the one with a reason to do so.

 

[marge_rita]

IMO, we KNOW she has a drinking problem. Any mother who is the sole caregiver for her 3 kids at night, but decides to drink between FIVE and TEN glasses of wine, has a drinking problem. imoo

According to my experience with heavy drinkers--you're right. She had a drinking problem. At least on that night she had a drinking problem.

imo

 

[marge_rita]

Tears.
This woman had TEARS.

Casey Anthony
Susan Smith
Stephanie Sloop

I could even name innocent parents who didn't have tears.

This woman strikes me as keeping it together most of the time but occasionally losing it and crying hysterically.

She had tears.
She was hysterical about something. Most people don't cry like that out of fear because they killed their child.
That type of crying is usually hysteria because their child is GONE.
I want to know why she was crying if it wasn't because her child is gone and she has nothing to do with it.

If it wasn't for that... and the ridiculous reasons I'm seeing to make her look guilty... I might be able to wrap my head around it.
I don't really have a problem usually believing a parent killed a child...they are the one with a reason to do so.

Maybe Deborah shed tears because she knew exactly what happened to Lisa.
Maybe Deborah shed tears because for whatever reason she wanted the nation to know she was drunk that night.
Maybe she shed tears for herself.......a lot of alcoholics cry in their beer (wine) for no reason.

imo