long weekend break: discuss the latest here #101

[Sustained]

A little off topic ...

Can someone point me at the times of the cell phone calls Arias made on the evening of the murder (6/4) and a recording of the message she left Travis ?

 

[bsk]

1. He implies on direct that he noticed it before she brought it up.
Ref 30:10 - 32:30: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fPkRvznpfk"]Jodi Arias Trial - Day 32 - Part 2 - YouTube[/ame]
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"I did observe her shaking on a number of occasions."
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"She did tell me on a couple of occasions that she would shake, and in fact I inquired further when I saw that and she explained how the shaking began...."
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"I did notice there were times during certain parts of the conversation that she would begin to shake, and eventually at some point she mentioned to me that she was experiencing that shaking."
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2. In juror questions he adds the sweaty palms and states directly that she pointed out the shaking first.
Ref 29:30 - 31:40: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrvRtuRzOOI"]Jodi Arias Trial - Day 35 - Part 1 - YouTube[/ame]
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"I did not notice it initially." (because of the partition/screen)
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"She did point it out at one point. When I inquired about any physiologic reactions, she told me that she shakes." (then she demonstrated it)
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3. On the redirect after that, JW gets him to tell a 3rd totally different version. (Hmmm... Like with Jodi apparently it takes some coaxing to elicit a 3rd version that is the "truth".)
Ref 2:00 - 3:00: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6USg__UaHLs"]Jodi Arias Trial - Day 35 - Part 3 - YouTube[/ame]

Difficult to quote here as it's a combo of the questions and the answers, but the net of it is that he now says the sequence was:

1. Nurmi told him about it.
2. He looked for it to confirm.
3. He asked her about it.
4. She explained the shaking and sweaty palms.

 

[BFTnative]

The only person I want to hear from is Matt M. JM has alluded that he knows something.

Me to! My mom (EastCoast) and I discuss this a lot and we make up awesome scenarios where MM has the gun/knows where it is or something crazy like that! We can't wait to hear if he has anything to say.

 

[sumbunny]

The truth is Arias wasn't/isn't that small.... I am 5'1 and I weigh 100lbs :blushing: and I'm pretty strong - trust me I grew up with five brothers and they always taught me to fight etc... maybe it's just in my blood I don't know... but I don't find it difficult to believe that Arias could overpower Travis in a moment of rage.

sorry if this has been said already, i'm so far behind!

The shrink said because of the adrenaline, JA could easily drag Travis to the shower no matter how small she seems.

I'd think the same applies to stabbing him multiple times..

 

[josie1986]

Is there a list of witnesses juan is calling?

Can he have like a surprise witness you know maybe MM?

I think I watch too much tv

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[thefragile7393]

I'm not sure if it is the same in AZ, but here those cameras only take pics when you run a red light.

There are some speed trap cameras here as well as red light cameras. None along highways though.

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[thefragile7393]

Yep. She really would have done her case so much better if she had remained silent and retained a good lawyer. imo A good chance at 2nd.

Don't know about that....just Travis's injuries alone show premeditation even without her saying a word.

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[Venom]

BBM


Yes, he did say that she fit the criteria for personality disorders. I don't remember the exact verbiage he used. But basically, yes she did and no he did not know what they were.

A great WS wrote a great reply to me regarding personaility disorders that I am going to go back and reread if I can find it in one of these threads. Basically it was about the personality disorders are different that mental disorders or something along those lines.

I'd like to read that post if you find it.

 

[G&AMom]

Afternoon session con’t. Ms. Wilmott questioning Dr. Samuels after juror questions.
There are things in report that might be important to me but not important to LE or lawyers. . . previous anal sex experience was not important. . . dates are used as landmarks but except for June 4th whether something happened before or after a specific date wasn’t relevant.
Repressed memories are painful so people try not to think about it. . . those memories still exist. . . you may be able to recover them. . . in Dissociative Amnesia the memories are never formed. . . the difference is found by looking at the circumstances. . . Acute Stress means memories are not formed.
Afternoon break.
Nurmi told me about shaking first, they I asked about it.
Three to 8 people having transient global amnesia is small number, but amnesia can occur under a wide range of circumstances, it does happen.
Do hypnosis infrequently . . . it is more helpful in therapy . . . it’s value is limited . . . information received not considered reliable . . . good for treating anxiety, depression, behavior control.
Other doctors looking to make a diagnosis would come to same conclusion if they were able to review all the material.
[Shown test messages between TA & JA] Travis’ language can be perceived as threatening. . . they are not loving words . . . call them names is negative . . . Jodi was called names like , , ***** . . . did not see anything like this in her journal . . . she was always making Travis look good in her journal . . . she hoped he would change . . . if Jodi stays with someone who speaks to her like this it shows low self-esteem.
No further questions by Ms. Wilmott.

 

[Softail]

The Ridiculist! This is soooo funny! Anderson Cooper on the trail of Nancy Grace's missing necklace!

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/22/nancy-grace-anderson-cooper-missing-handcuff-necklace

:lol:

 

[jane the dood]

Chicken Soup for the Emu's Soul

Hope you feel better, Steely Dan
Not the same around here without ya

 

[popsicle]

Don't know about that....just Travis's injuries alone show premeditation even without her saying a word.

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I personally agree with you, Fragile. I just think a good lawyer and silence could have given her a good chance since it only takes one. jmo

 

[snowshuze]

Thats where I get confused. I know there was the 'discrepancy' between the two sheets of raw data. Samuels admitted that he 'recalculated' one of the sheets from memory because he sent it in and had no access to it. [ which makes no sense in itself.] So one test was scored as a 15 and one as a 17. Okay....clown move. :clown:

But this paper that Juan pulled out at the very, very end of the day seems like something BESIDES that recalculation gaffe. It was something that he seemed to insinuate was being hidden from him. And he had already dealt with the other scoring discrepancy thing so...?

This is probably my imagination werkin' overtime, BUT....a couple of days ago at the end of day, the court evidence deputy was wandering around the courtroom <IMO> looking for a piece of unaccounted for evidence. AND, at the end of court yesterday Judge Stephens asked/reminded Dr Samuels to check his files for something <can't remember what exactly>...but I'm wondering if he slipped something in his paperwork.....


Gotta go back and see what Judge Stephens said to him....

 

[Wake_me]

Im just catching up on yesterday's proceedings, watching Juan question Samuels. He pulls no punches -- which is appropriate.

I can't help feeling a teensy bit sorry for the doc..ie. I feel "compassion," according to Webster :lol:

I have to agree. I felt nothing for JA when on the stand because her affect was not congruent with what one would expect from another human being in such a situation. There were no feelings of empathy or being able to relate to her appearance and responses on the stand if I were to put myself in her shoes.

With RS, he may be gullible, a schmuck and ill-prepared. He may have ignored signs that he shouldn't have. However, I can instinctively understand his physical and verbal reactions. He appears human. JA does not.

 

[Tipstaff]

I'll bet Dr. Samuels phone is ringing off the wall with attorneys wanting him to testify for their clients.

Not after the State of AZ suspends his license. :great:

 

[Midnight Meddler]

Is this the book he sent her?



What an odd choice? What on earth does this have to do with treating someone who is suicidal?

Right! Very odd..

Your Erroneous Zones - "Step By Step Advice for Escaping the Trap of Negative Thinking and Taking Control of Your Life."

Also, it contradicts his whole testimony on how she was not a negative person!

 

[zoozoo]

If she wanted to shoot him then she could have done so while he slept in bed. Easy Peasy. There would have been no need to corner him in the shower.

She could not shoot him when she first got there (roommate home). She also may have wanted to keep things "neat" and not leave evidence so the shower probably seemed like a good place.

 

[kayice]

I have to agree. I felt nothing for JA when on the stand because her affect was not congruent with what one would expect from another human being in such a situation. There were no feelings of empathy or being able to relate to her appearance and responses on the stand if I were to put myself in her shoes.

With RS, he may be gullible, a schmuck and ill-prepared. He may have ignored signs that he shouldn't have. However, I can instinctively understand his physical and verbal reactions. He appears human. JA does not.

I wonder if his reports are always favorable to the client or defendant. And how many pedophiles/rapists have walked since he seems to know Nurmi so well.

 

[Schuby]

She could not shoot him when she first got there (roommate home). She also may have wanted to keep things "neat" and not leave evidence so the shower probably seemed like a good place.

She wanted to keep things neat? Well that was an epic fail.

 

[zoozoo]

Random thought and if it's been discussed before I apologize, but does anyone know if the bottle of KY was ever discovered? I'm curious if that also got packed up with the gun, the knife, the rope etc during the 'frenzied' (NOT, as if, very meticulous clean up) crime?

I have wondered that too. I have also wondered if the KY (and water) could've been used to help make the floor slick so she could drag him and that that might explain why there is a relatively "clean" area down the middle of the hallway.