long weekend break: discuss the latest here #113

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  • #401
Would he have been able to grab a knife to prevent someone from stabbing him right after he was shot?

I have a friend that was shot in the head by his
brother when he was 15 with a .22.
He still has the bullet in his brain as removing
it would cause too much damage and possibly kill him.

I have not seen him to ask but when I do I am going to ask him.
It was 25 years ago and he is fine now but he was in the hospital for
awhile after that happened.

Dad still has bullet in head, too. We tease him that he's gonna set off the metal detectors at the airport.

But, no, he had no ability to defend himself at that point. I was there. He was awake, but that bullet rattled his brain and IMO he would not have lifted his hands to ward off further attack. Thank god, bil was a sissy and took off.
 
  • #402
Dad still has bullet in head, too. We tease him that he's gonna set off the metal detectors at the airport.

But, no, he had no ability to defend himself at that point. I was there. He was awake, but that bullet rattled his brain and IMO he would not have lifted his hands to ward off further attack. Thank god, bil was a sissy and took off.

I am sorry you had to go through that.
 
  • #403
I am not caught up . . . and I am not quite sure what my question is . . . but I am struck with something on this youtube upload and the dates they were uploaded.

When was the break in @ grandparents with the stolen gun and DVD? . . .

Remember JA was saying something about putting together a CD (DVD) of pictures and TA tried to review it but couldn't get it to come up on his computer/ . . .

interesting that she is using a youtube account and uploaded this within days of killing TA. . . .why not upload the pictures for TA on a photobucket site or something similar?

could there be any use for the DVD player in putting this video on youtube?

But a portable hard drive of Jodi's was there in that office that I think had the 🤬🤬🤬🤬. I think Jodi was trying to load it onto his computer and he caught her.
Jodi could of snail mailed or emailed them,but she had to have another stupid reason to just drop by, and try to wheedle her way back in. Some think the she brought the checks for the car payments also, but Jodi always had a reason to return in her mind.

Definition of WHEEDLE
transitive verb
1
: to influence or entice by soft words or flattery
2
: to gain or get by wheedling <wheedle one's way into favor>
intransitive verb
: to use soft words or flattery .
 
  • #404
You know, this is wrong on so many levels. My brother's murderer's mom, was a wonderful woman. She was a good Christian woman and treated my brother like he was one of her children. We can raise our children, to the best of our ability, but at some junction, they choose their own path. Some take the high road, some take the road to Hell...

We've heard that JA was violent as a teenager, kicking the dog (in all likelihood killing it), kicking her mother for no reason, hitting her little brother over the head with a baseball bat etc. The signs were there that she was a very troubled kid and needed some sort of intervention but we've not heard that the mother or father did anything at that point in time.

So as far as her mother/father are concerned, I have no sympathy for them.

A friend of mine has a grandaughter who is a sociopath. the g-daughter's mother is a wonderful woman, but her kid is dangerous especially around animals if she's by herself. :what::furious: In that case, the mother enables that kid, she doesn't do anything because she's afraid to rock the boat. Or make life more difficult for herself. Meanwhile, the kid is in need of serious help.

The mother you're talking about may very well be a wonderful woman who just missed the signs of trouble in her kid, or was in denial (happens a lot, nobody wants to believe their kid needs help right?).:twocents:
 
  • #405
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I think this is a great theory, but I do have a question.

Do we know that Travis spoke to his Bishop in a way that is consistent with this timeline? I don't remember any testimony of this kind; and I can't imagine that a church official would ever testify to a confession in court -- I know I didn't hear that. I'm interested and think this is certainly intriguing -- but can we substantiate (based on evidence) the essential element here -- the bishop's involvement?

In addition, some responses to your post suggest that if she had gone to her bishop, Travis' bishop would have been notified quickly; why not the other way around? If he had gone to his, why would she need to hear that from him after sneaking in at 4:00 in the morning? Wouldn't she already have received some kind of summons (or however they handle that)?

Just asking. If you folks know, let me know, because this is definitely intriguing.

:cow:


Travis' friends said that he went to his bishop after Jodi moved back to Yreka. They said he was in the repentance process. Mimi Hall testified that he told her he was not "temple worthy," which means he was on probation and would not be permitted to attend temple ceremonies. I did not hear anyone say he was disfellowshipped. When he came forward voluntarily, repentant, he would agree to give her up (she's gone--yay!) as a condition of not receiving punishment.

That bishop would contact her bishop and may have done that. Her being called in to the bishop's office in Yreka would have been of no concern to her in my theory because everyone in Yreka already knew her and knew her family. To put it nicely, she had nothing to lose. She could tell that bishop that she was the one telling Travis to confess and how happy she was that he followed her advice and OF COURSE she was repentant and believed in the Book of Mormon, the Ten Commandments, and anything else he wanted to hear.

All things being equal, women have historically received lesser punishments for the same sin (adultery for example) because they are considered less culpable for whatever reason. My bishop told me I was not considered as responsible because I didn't have the priesthood.

When Jodi moved back to Mesa, she would have been able to tell her new bishop in the singles ward, which remember was A DIFFERENT WARD from Travis, she would tell him "I already spoke in detail with my bishop in Yreka and it was a very difficult conversation--I cried and poured my heart out to him and felt much closer to the Lord after we spoke." That new bishop would consider the matter taken care of. He would see that no disciplinary action had been taken on her record. There is seldom any verbal communication or fact checking because these are spiritual matters and we can all see how JA could come off as completely sincere and believable even while lying her 🤬🤬🤬 off.

It has been established that JA contacted Travis' bishop AFTER his death for the purpose of milking him for information. I understand she called him in the middle of the night to see what he knew. JM asked her about this on the stand.

Finally, I have never heard any callings mentioned that Travis held. Probably, due to his travel schedule with PPL, he would not have been able to assume the normal responsibilities of a priesthood holder in Mormonism, which is that he would receive a calling such as being a teacher in a study class, lead a youth group, be a boy scout leader, a men's group leader, etc.

ALV was completely WAY off when she suggested that TA had some kind of implied spiritual leadership responsibility because he was a "priest." All the men are priests from age 12.

Some of the behaviors which others may consider deviant for a 30 year old man are quite common in men who are functioning in fundamental religions with an emphasis on repressing personal sexuality, not just sexuality with others. Sexual behavior is heavily influenced by the environment, i.e., the lack of appropriate sexual outlets. An example of this is homosexual behavior in prisons is considered episodic because the inmates return to heterosexuality when they are released from incarceration. These studies have nothing to do with whether or not the sex acts are sinful, deviant, or normal, they are just observations of sexual behaviors under different environments.

Thanks for all the questions,websleuthers. I am trying to provide accurate information for understanding the behavior of the murderer and her victim in this case.

I don't intend to discuss the Mormon religion per se, but only those elements which are important for the success of the prosecution of this vile woman.

If this is not ok with you mods, please delete and I will not post here any further about maintaining appearances in the Mormon/PPL culture as a motive for murder.

I love websleuths and enjoy reading all your smart observations and witty remarks.
 
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  • #408
Remember to be careful posting certain things on a public forum...
id hate for someone nefarious to read here and get some new ideas- *again*

Hi Defense Team and your dozen paralegals....

:seeya:

Dont give the Defense team any ideas they do read here and post here..beware
 
  • #409
  • #410
We've heard that JA was violent as a teenager, kicking the dog (in all likelihood killing it), kicking her mother for no reason, hitting her little brother over the head with a baseball bat etc. The signs were there that she was a very troubled kid and needed some sort of intervention but we've not heard that the mother or father did anything at that point in time.

So as far as her mother/father are concerned, I have no sympathy for them.

A friend of mine has a grandaughter who is a sociopath. the g-daughter's mother is a wonderful woman, but her kid is dangerous especially around animals if she's by herself. :what::furious: In that case, the mother enables that kid, she doesn't do anything because she's afraid to rock the boat. Or make life more difficult for herself. Meanwhile, the kid is in need of serious help.

The mother you're talking about may very well be a wonderful woman who just missed the signs of trouble in her kid, or was in denial (happens a lot, nobody wants to believe their kid needs help right?).:twocents:

Berry hall had NEVER committed an act of violence against anyone, until he killed my brother and his wife (Berry's niece). He and my brother had never had an ill word. He had argued with Lisa though. Oh hush! You're making my brain work. :) Good points though. :)
 
  • #411
Oh Lordy, I did it, and I didn't have any trouble. You will get an eyeful. Try some less technical names for the parts you're seeking.

Ugh, hurl. Yep I was using scientific terms.
 
  • #412


Dont give the Defense team any ideas they do read here and post here..beware

btw, from what the DT has been alleging it seems more likely they're reading the lunacy on that JAII forum :floorlaugh:
 
  • #413
btw, from what the DT has been alleging it seems more likely they're reading the lunacy on that JAII forum :floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:
 
  • #414
Maybe waitng for spouse or friend to pick him up. I certainly would want out of that courthouse and into some fresh air after leaving that trial. And I admit that I prolly would go for ice cream too.

If he is supposed to be picked up outside the courthouse I might do the same. Perhaps he could have his ride pick him up at the ice cream parlor.

my question is, with such media coverage. how is this jury really not hearing or seeing anything about the trial? market, general errands, church. are some of them returning to work on dark days? (when i was a juror we could return to work on days there was no court). just hearing conversations standing in line at the movies. i don't see how they can not see or hear anything they should be sequestered jmo
 
  • #415
Google-> Jodi Arias Nude Photos and click on "Images" within Google

They are there! :seeya:

I've googled and don't see them either. I'm with dmacky ... Where are they?
 
  • #416
I am sorry you had to go through that.

We're all ok. Dads still kickin. Sis and nephew lived. Bil got deported.

Now just don't ask me about my husbands side. That was almost exactly what the Alexander family is living.
 
  • #417
:tyou: David Lohr for UNEDITED Police Interrogation videos:tyou:
:yourock:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lGJ72SQBM"]Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation Video 5[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMNd_-FGftM"]Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation Video 6[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSv2ohtbDWQ"]Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation Video 7[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzt4clYkmPQ"]Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation Video 8[/ame]​
 
  • #418
But a portable hard drive of Jodi's was there in that office that I think had the 🤬🤬🤬🤬. I think Jodi was trying to load it onto his computer and he caught her.
Jodi could of snail mailed or emailed them,but she had to have another stupid reason to just drop by, and try to wheedle her way back in. Some think the she brought the checks for the car payments also, but Jodi always had a reason to return in her mind.

Definition of WHEEDLE
transitive verb
1
: to influence or entice by soft words or flattery
2
: to gain or get by wheedling <wheedle one's way into favor>
intransitive verb
: to use soft words or flattery .

BBM I agree with this, especially since she left the check and did not have enough money in the account to cover the check as evidenced by checking account balance on 6/3/08 though check was dated 5/28/08 , she asked more than 1 person (Flores included) about whether the check would be cashed after his death too.
 
  • #419
She raised her. She's reaping what she sowed IMV.

If I commited a horrible crime like this and my parents had an inking of truth that I had commited this crime...such as an admission, lies, change of story..my parents would be in the courtroom ...they would be on the prosecutor/victim side. They would be there to support the victims family and prosecution.

I remember one time I missed Sunday School..skipped out to go to ice cream parlor. ..My parents took me to ice cream parlor to apologize for not being in Sunday School. When you have respondsible parents ..life is not a runaway train for me.

I am so grateful.
 
  • #420
Thank you, I was hoping that in some way this WOULD help the prosecution; see all of the DA sneaky twists catch up too them somehow... Oh well, hopefully JA, the evidence, and Jodi's lies will be enough

At this point, I don't think the prosecution has any doubt about the DT strategy, and JM will win this case despite any defense shenanigans. This particular motion to disclose the billing records was brought by the media, and not by the prosecution--hence the cc's to Beth Karas, et. al. I just saw on JVM (wanting to light my hair on fire and put it out with a sledge hammer) that the DT's totals have been upped to 1.4 million...likely the result of the denial of the motion.
 
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