long weekend break: discuss the latest here #113

[Rosemary Pierce]

From the book, Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets by David Simon (the show The Wire was based upon this book)

1.Everyone lies. Murderers lie because they have to; witnesses and other participants lie because they think they have to; everyone else lies for the sheer joy of it, and to uphold a general principle that under no circumstances do you provide accurate information to a cop.

2.The victim is killed once, but a crime scene can be murdered a thousand times.

3.The initial 10 or 12 hours after a murder are the most critical to the success of an investigation.

4.An innocent man left alone in an interrogation room will remain fully awake, rubbing his eyes, staring at the cubicle walls and scratching himself in dark, forbidden places. A guilty man left alone in an interrogation room goes to sleep.

5.It's good to be good; it's better to be lucky.

6.When a suspect is immediately identified in an assault case, the victim is sure to live. When no suspect has been identified, the victim will surely die.

7.First, they're red. Then they're green. Then they're black. (Referring to the color of an open case on the board, the money that must be spent to investigate the case, and the color of the solved murder as it is listed on the board)

8.In any case where there is no apparent suspect, the crime lab will produce no valuable evidence. In those cases where a suspect has already confessed and been identified by at least two eyewitnesses, the lab will give you print hits, fiber evidence, blood typings and a ballistic match.

9.To a jury, any doubt is reasonable; the better the case, the worse the jury; a good man is hard to find, but 12 of them, gathered together in one place, is a miracle.

10.There is too such a thing as a perfect murder. Always has been, and anyone who tries to prove otherwise merely proves himself naive and romantic, a fool who is ignorant of Rules 1 through 9


Rule #4 when JA is sleeping interrogation room

VV...this is great, thanks for posting. A great book and one of my favorite series ever (almost as good as Deadwood imo).

 

[SunDawnn]

Google-> Jodi Arias Nude Photos and click on "Images" within Google

They are there! :seeya:

Photos got shown accidentally during trial:


http://youtu.be/kdhYXVlvzsY?t=1h25m14s

 

[Karmady]

At this point, I don't think the prosecution has any doubt about the DT strategy, and JM will win this case despite any defense shenanigans. This particular motion to disclose the billing records was brought by the media, and not by the prosecution--hence the cc's to Beth Karas, et. al. I just saw on JVM (wanting to light my hair on fire and put it out with a sledge hammer) that the DT's totals have been upped to 1.4 million...likely the result of the denial of the motion.

I think it may have been just the difference in the amount since the last time the records were requested and released. According to at least one other poster, the docket reflects that the defense filed almost exactly the same motion for a protective order over the same records quite some time ago. It also was denied and the redacted records were produced at that time, as well.

 

[seguek9]

Dont give the Defense team any ideas they do read here and post here..beware

:bump: yes! That's what ive been saying! Thank you pferrin for the reitteration :facepalm:

:bump:

 

[Nhic]

If I commited a horrible crime like this and my parents had an inking of truth that I had commited this crime...such as an admission, lies, change of story..my parents would be in the courtroom ...they would be on the prosecutor/victim side. They would be there to support the victims family and prosecution.

I remember one time I missed Sunday School..skipped out to go to ice cream parlor. ..My parents took me to ice cream parlor to apologize for not being in Sunday School. When you have respondsible parents ..life is not a runaway train for me.

I am so grateful.

LOL at the time though we weren't grateful :floorlaugh:

My parents would NEVER have supported me if I'd committed a criminal offense. I can hear them now, you made your bed, you lie in it. :floorlaugh:

 

[Nhic]

my question is, with such media coverage. how is this jury really not hearing or seeing anything about the trial? market, general errands, church. are some of them returning to work on dark days? (when i was a juror we could return to work on days there was no court). just hearing conversations standing in line at the movies. i don't see how they can not see or hear anything. jmo

Seems unlikely the jurors would hear nothing at all about this trial outside of the courtroom and that's the main reason the DT pulled it's stunt the other day re JM signing an autograph. IMO

 

[fran]

Attention Please!

Please remember that Websleuths is a victim friendly website. This includes members of the victim's and accused's families. They are all victims too.

Do not post any photos or videos of the crime scene. There are links and such in the timeline thread.

Please post responsibly.

fran

 

[lil_buddy]

I was just thinking about how much ALV pi$$ed me off when she was talking about how DV is inaccurately portrayed in movies.

EVERYTHING is inaccurately portrayed in movies.

So friggin' dumb.

I hope the jury feels the same.

 

[crz4mm2]

You know, this is wrong on so many levels. My brother's murderer's mom, was a wonderful woman. She was a good Christian woman and treated my brother like he was one of her children. We can raise our children, to the best of our ability, but at some junction, they choose their own path. Some take the high road, some take the road to Hell...

This is so true. Two kids raised in the same family, in the same way, turn out completely different.

Yes. You can crate a montage on a computer then make a disc that will then play in the DVD.


I knew it!
He had her # all along! That is why JA told him that Travis proposed!!

moo

I did not know he was Mormon.

Dad still has bullet in head, too. We tease him that he's gonna set off the metal detectors at the airport.

But, no, he had no ability to defend himself at that point. I was there. He was awake, but that bullet rattled his brain and IMO he would not have lifted his hands to ward off further attack. Thank god, bil was a sissy and took off.

Wow! really??? Amazing.

We've heard that JA was violent as a teenager, kicking the dog (in all likelihood killing it), kicking her mother for no reason, hitting her little brother over the head with a baseball bat etc. The signs were there that she was a very troubled kid and needed some sort of intervention but we've not heard that the mother or father did anything at that point in time.

So as far as her mother/father are concerned, I have no sympathy for them.

A friend of mine has a grandaughter who is a sociopath. the g-daughter's mother is a wonderful woman, but her kid is dangerous especially around animals if she's by herself. :what::furious: In that case, the mother enables that kid, she doesn't do anything because she's afraid to rock the boat. Or make life more difficult for herself. Meanwhile, the kid is in need of serious help.

The mother you're talking about may very well be a wonderful woman who just missed the signs of trouble in her kid, or was in denial (happens a lot, nobody wants to believe their kid needs help right?).:twocents:

Yes, Mother's tend to love their children no matter what. They don't see that they are doing wrong by their children.... Sad isn't it?
And yes, no one wants to believe their kids need help.

 

[gngr~snap]

If I commited a horrible crime like this and my parents had an inking of truth that I had commited this crime...such as an admission, lies, change of story..my parents would be in the courtroom ...they would be on the prosecutor/victim side. They would be there to support the victims family and prosecution.

I remember one time I missed Sunday School..skipped out to go to ice cream parlor. ..My parents took me to ice cream parlor to apologize for not being in Sunday School. When you have respondsible parents ..life is not a runaway train for me.

I am so grateful.

I know for a FACT that is what my mother would have done!

I got married Oct 21 1989.

My fiance and I rented an apartment and moved everything in
on Oct 1st.
When I told my mother I was going to go ahead and start staying there
since I was paying 1/2 the rent she went BALLISTIC and informed me that if I even spent one night in that apartment prior to my vows she would
disown/disinherit me.

She was NOT kidding either.

I can't honestly say what I would do if I was in JA's mom's shoes.
People will complain either way.
Given the same circumstances I (think) I know what I wold do.
I never want to find out!

 

[Liebchenmutti]

(due to her PretendTSD)

PretendTSD :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Softail]

Here are the pictures. I believe the first set is the nekkid ones, and the second, are of Travis.

WARNING - GRAPHIC - WARNING - GRAPHIC
CONTAINS SEXUAL CONTENT

These are the photos from the camera. There is one photo in the series which demonstrates a dragging scenario - this is not from JA's camera.

Please view at your own discretion (without kiddo's in the room).

http://s1321.beta.photobucket.com/u... Photos?&_suid=135847657738602721663417384483

WARNING - GRAPHIC - WARNING - GRAPHIC

http://s1321.beta.photobucket.com/u...ry/Body?&_suid=135847629216705972110079513047

Not sure if this will help make a decision on how you think he was killed. Again - very graphic.

Mel

 

[Sleuth5]

Travis' friends said that he went to his bishop after Jodi moved back to Yreka. They said he was in the repentance process. Mimi Hall testified that he told her he was not "temple worthy," which means he was on probation and would not be permitted to attend temple ceremonies. I did not hear anyone say he was disfellowshipped. When he came forward voluntarily, repentant, he would agree to give her up (she's gone--yay!) as a condition of not receiving punishment.

That bishop would contact her bishop and may have done that. Her being called in to the bishop's office in Yreka would have been of no concern to her in my theory because everyone in Yreka already knew her and knew her family. To put it nicely, she had nothing to lose. She could tell that bishop that she was the one telling Travis to confess and how happy she was that he followed her advice and OF COURSE she was repentant and believed in the Book of Mormon, the Ten Commandments, and anything else he wanted to hear.

All things being equal, women have historically received lesser punishments for the same sin (adultery for example) because they are considered less culpable for whatever reason. My bishop told me I was not considered as responsible because I didn't have the priesthood.

When Jodi moved back to Mesa, she would have been able to tell her new bishop in the singles ward, which remember was A DIFFERENT WARD from Travis, she would tell him "I already spoke in detail with my bishop in Yreka and it was a very difficult conversation--I cried and poured my heart out to him and felt much closer to the Lord after we spoke." That new bishop would consider the matter taken care of. He would see that no disciplinary action had been taken on her record. There is seldom any verbal communication or fact checking because these are spiritual matters and we can all see how JA could come off as completely sincere and believable even while lying her off.

It has been established that JA contacted Travis' bishop AFTER his death for the purpose of milking him for information. I understand she called him in the middle of the night to see what he knew. JM asked her about this on the stand.

Finally, I have never heard any callings mentioned that Travis held. Probably, due to his travel schedule with PPL, he would not have been able to assume the normal responsibilities of a priesthood holder in Mormonism, which is that he would receive a calling such as being a teacher in a study class, lead a youth group, be a boy scout leader, a men's group leader, etc.

ALV was completely WAY off when she suggested that TA had some kind of implied spiritual leadership responsibility because he was a "priest." All the men are priests from age 12.

Some of the behaviors which others may consider deviant for a 30 year old man are quite common in men who are functioning in fundamental religions with an emphasis on repressing personal sexuality, not just sexuality with others. Sexual behavior is heavily influenced by the environment, i.e., the lack of appropriate sexual outlets. An example of this is homosexual behavior in prisons is considered episodic because the inmates return to heterosexuality when they are released from incarceration. These studies have nothing to do with whether or not the sex acts are sinful, deviant, or normal, they are just observations of sexual behaviors under different environments.

Thanks for all the questions,websleuthers. I am trying to provide accurate information for understanding the behavior of the murderer and her victim in this case.

I don't intend to discuss the Mormon religion per se, but only those elements which are important for the success of the prosecution of this vile woman.

If this is not ok with you mods, please delete and I will not post here any further about maintaining appearances in the Mormon/PPL culture as a motive for murder.

I love websleuths and enjoy reading all your smart observations and witty remarks.

Okay, so if I'm following this correctly, we can assume that he spoke with his bishop, hence your theory could still be sound. Yes, I had heard the friends have suggested this happened, and that Mimi did testify that he had said he was not "templeworthy", so I suppose it is reasonable to conclude that the formal counseling did occur.

Under those conditions, it does make sense that that could certainly have been a motive for JA, who would have taken that as a terrific insult -- not only being cast aside as a partner, but also "stained" by Travis' confession and all that implied in terms of her relationship with the Mormon community as a whole.

You are probably onto something in pinning this as a strong motive, although I still feel she was entirely obsessed with TA in a power/control situation (the reverse of ALV's diagnosis, unfortunately) and intended to focus solely upon him. You may well be right that once she realized that could never occur, she decided to give him his "just desserts" and then move on to other opportunities within the community.

Nice sleuthing! Certainly intriguing.

 

[gloomy]

David Lohr has been so kind to post the UNEDITED Police Interrogation videos :blowkiss:
:gthanks:

Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation Video 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE_Ue5rF8QM

Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation Video 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglhBzgDly8

Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation Video 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl01kF96-10

Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation Video 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k29w7HjsVM​

I just started watching video #6 and it sounds like she's singing 'The Rose'? Can someone verify this? It's around 1:50

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

I was just thinking about how much ALV pi$$ed me off when she was talking about how DV is inaccurately portrayed in movies.

EVERYTHING is inaccurately portrayed in movies.

So friggin' dumb.

I hope the jury feels the same.

After reading all of the comments about ALV's testimony yesterday....I am just not going to watch it. Sounds like it was nothing but JA's regurgitated lies. Complete BS IMO.

 

[Sleuth5]

I was just thinking about how much ALV pi$$ed me off when she was talking about how DV is inaccurately portrayed in movies.

EVERYTHING is inaccurately portrayed in movies.

So friggin' dumb.

I hope the jury feels the same.

We can only hope that they will not imagine that fiction constitutes a solid foundation for psychological analysis. I am still mystified that she wandered off that way so many times.

 

[fred_]

On the last thread, there was a lot of discussion about the Hughes' emails to and from TA. I rewatched the testimony by Chris and Skye Hughes as well. I am confused as to why they would respond to Nurmi's emails that were obviously a fishing expedition. If they were truly Travis' friends, why did they speak to JA about Travis causing him to tell them they had crossed the line? Why would they believe Nurmi's insinuations that TA was a pedophile and respond?

Of all the things in this trial, this has me most concerned. Could their emails be enough to derail the conviction of JA? I know we are only hearing them characterized and not quoted, but will their words characterized by ALV be the coup de gras for the defense.

Can someone post a link to Sky Hughes testimony?

 

[ElleElle]

To put the pieces of this case together I had to:

1. View autopsy/crime screne photos (including nude and shower pics).
2. Read all texts and email exchanges available to us sleuthers.
3. Watch everyday of trial.
4. NOT watch HLN.
5. Educate myself on mormonmism
6. Read Det. Flores report and autopsy report (Dr. Horn).
7. Read both MySpace accounts and blogs

 

[GreenEyesBlue]

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Wow! really??? Amazing.


Yup, and that was the second time he was shot by the wonderful brother in law!!

Dad is a bull and my personal hero. I adore the man.

 

[Sleuth5]

After reading all of the comments about ALV's testimony yesterday....I am just not going to watch it. Sounds like it was nothing but JA's regurgitated lies. Complete BS IMO.

Yes, it was. JM will clear it all up on cross, I'm sure.