long weekend break: discuss the latest here #114

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  • #761
Oops yes that is the dirtbag I am referring to lol. (sorry for the dirtbag name if he is your friend lol)

I had a long talk with him last night. We've been friends for 20 years as he pointed out.

One thing for sure, for me. I will not let this sociopathic murderer cause any disruption to my life. Kiefer and I have been good friends and agreed to disagree on many perceptions in this case which sometimes happens with friends.

It was a tough conversation for me but I held my own as did he.

He intends to witness the execution for my sister's killer in lieu of my family. this is a significant relationship to me so I just can't get in the fray with him. Awkward to be sure but not worth throwing 20 years under the bus.
 
  • #762
There has been a motion filed for mistrial, juror misconduct.

Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
3/31/2013 MOT - Motion - Party (001) 4/1/2013
NOTE: MOTION FOR MISTRIAL: JUROR MISCONDUCT
3/31/2013 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. - Party (001) 4/1/2013


http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...rtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2008-031021

Also noticed this Bullcrap:

DEDEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO ELICITING TESTIMONY OR MAKING ARGUMENT RELATED TO AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR WHICH PROBABLE CAUSE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND
 
  • #763
  • #764
Got some activity on the case history:

Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
3/31/2013 MOT - Motion - Party (001) 4/1/2013
NOTE: MOTION FOR MISTRIAL: JUROR MISCONDUCT
3/31/2013 OBJ - Objection/Opposition. - Party (001) 4/1/2013
NOTE: DEDEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO ELICITING TESTIMONY OR MAKING ARGUMENT RELATED TO AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR WHICH PROBABLE CAUSE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND

I have zero idea what that note means. I hope someone fluent in legalese can enlighten me.:blushing::maddening::confused:
 
  • #765
My memory is fuzzy on this.. the secret message in the magazines she tried to get out of jail.. are we assuming they were for MM or do we know that for sure? It makes more sense to me that they were for DB. JM had to drag little truths from him on the stand, and JM mentions that a representative from the defense attorneys had met with him and he had stated these things in the transcript he has during questioning. I think she was mad about him saying she was testy about the gas cans, telling him she was going to Mesa, the remote control return issues and she wanted him to fix his stories. I get the impression in my mind that DB would lie for her but MM could really care less about her in the grand scheme of things and would not. I think DB is more closer linked to some truths than MM is.
 
  • #766
The defense will grasp at any straw they possibly can in hopes for a mistrial (happened several times in CA's case too). This doesn't worry me at all.
 
  • #767
Also noticed this Bullcrap:

DEDEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO ELICITING TESTIMONY OR MAKING ARGUMENT RELATED TO AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR WHICH PROBABLE CAUSE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND

That's really standard in a DP case. It won't go anywhere.
 
  • #768
  • #769
Is there a link to the motion? That link just brings me to a generic page.

Its on there, Nouri is citing Jury Misconduct, filed today.
 
  • #770
  • #771
I searched twitter for info on the days court would be in session this week and someone tweeted there would be court 3 days and the reason it hasn't been posted on the schedule is because start time has not be determined for Thursday. No idea if that's accurate, though. They've just had 4 1/2 days off, I can't imagine why they wouldn't have court every day this week unless it's some sort of conflict that can't be avoided. Doesn't the judge usually tell the jurors about days off ahead of time? I didn't hear her say anything about this week except no court Monday (today) and a 9:30 start tomorrow.

FWIW, it was said late last week that there would only be court in the morning all week, but from what I understand that is not the case....
 
  • #772
I had a long talk with him last night. We've been friends for 20 years as he pointed out.

One thing for sure, for me. I will not let this sociopathic murderer cause any disruption to my life. Kiefer and I have been good friends and agreed to disagree on many perceptions in this case which sometimes happens with friends.

It was a tough conversation for me but I held my own as did he.

He intends to witness the execution for my sister's killer in lieu of my family. this is a significant relationship to me so I just can't get in the fray with him. Awkward to be sure but not worth throwing 20 years under the bus.

I totally understand. Don't mean to offend, he's probably a nice guy but I am just sickened by some of his tweets and articles.
 
  • #773
Is there a link to the motion? That link just brings me to a generic page.

Once you get to that page, click on case history, then put in her name.
You can't see the motion itself, just that it was filed.
 
  • #774
I read a few pages back there will only be 2 days of trial this week. Could someone clarify. I know we have trial tomorrow and never on Friday so wondering what the other day is for no trial.

I don't know but the court is only shown through April 3, 2013 on the court website. Maybe that is why they are thinking only 2 days this week. Maybe it will be updated later to show 3 days. I am not sure.
 
  • #775
Good lord. Is Nurmi trying to look like the most pathetic man in the room?


Look at it this way. Everything that's argued and ruled on in this stage is one less appeal in the Death appeals process.
 
  • #776
  • #777
No. :nono: Not two days of court today, but two days of court this week. :giggle:

I caught that as soon as I posted but OF COURSE the site froze up on me so I couldn't edit it right away. :)
 
  • #778
I totally understand. Don't mean to offend, he's probably a nice guy but I am just sickened by some of his tweets and articles.

No, I'm right with you. we had "words" last night which ended up being a long conversation. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree. And yes he's burnt out on this trial and disgusted by it. And I do not believe he thinks Jodi is innocent / not at all.
 
  • #779
The gun was to control Travis. The knife was make to make it real personal. I've noticed a lot of blood spatter on the outside lip of the shower. It wasn't disturbed by her putting him back in the shower. So, I'm trying to figure out when it would of got there. Like the blood on the baseboards of the potty room. Travis would of been down ,not standing when it got there.

The knife was used to kill Travis Alexander, a lot.

However, the rationale for the gun is like a Rorschach test for people, based on what their theory of the crime was.

Really, the gun is tiny, not at all visually imposing and could be mistaken for a toy. Although the gun could do damage, and easily kill, as far as being the sort of thing one would brandish, I don't accept that out of hand, then again, it's just psychologizing on my part too.

Personally, I think Jodi Arias brought the gun out of the old adage "better to have one and not need it, than need one and not have it". Its purpose was to make sure Travis, maybe Mimi Hall or whatever unfortunate witnesses were around weren't for long, to that, I stick by the idea that Jodi Arias appeared on the scene far later than she claimed, making sure Travis was the only one in the house, up to and including lying in wait in her rental car. What's the point of all the stealthy premeditation if somone saw her there and lived?

Assuming Jodi Arias' premeditation was structured, my sense of the purpose of the gun, and the rationale for bringing it is the above, and also that being a person who seems to have formed a lot of her ideas from movies, the .25 was for the coup de grace, a shot in the head to make sure Travis Alexander was dead.


If not that, then I will remind people that someone with their throat cut doesn't die quickly or easily. Even when they lose consciousness, gurgling, gasping, choking agonizing reflexive breathing can go on for minutes. Even if Jodi Arias didn't plan on using the gun, the not-so-quick-and-easy nature of actually killing someone: Slashing, stabbing and throat slitting would have made her resort to it.

You know, deaths in movies are kind of easy. So much so I wonder if they actually trivialize murder by making it all seem far more merciful than it is. People get shot and fall down dead, strangling someone takes 30 seconds, the near-death drowning in The Abyss takes no time at all and the long protracted explanation of the physiology of it in Sebastian Junger's Perfect Storm, which will make you not want to take a bath ever again, is treated with a painless cut-away in the film, etc, etc. The only film I can think of offhand that makes a point of how long and protracted killing someone is would be the infamous Gromek killing in Alfred Hitchcock's Torn Curtain.
 
  • #780
The only other thing that came to mind... KatieDDJ and the guest said last week that they've seen jurors talking to each other during sidebars and stuff. I don't remember exactly what was said but they were talking about jurors forming bonds. Aren't they not allowed to talk at all until deliberation? I think I asked that on the legal thread and they said it was not allowed on criminal trials. Any chance that's what it's about? It would explain why JA kept staring and getting JW's attention.

I just want to add that I think it would have to be something HUGE for the judge to grant a mistrial. The defense is going to nitpick everything they can because they know it's not going well for them! I would be pizzed! Not only would that make all of this one long practice trial for her, but it would be $1.4+ million of our tax money down the drain!

They certainly can talk with each other, just not about the trial. I was a juror on a murder trial and if we couldn't have talked at all, I would have lost my mind!! We would all go to lunch together, etc. and formed some nice bonds.
 
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