Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week Nov 20, 2014 - Trial Thread #4

[Kamille]

So far I'm calling BS. Where are the expensive new clothes? He sure wasn't wearing them in the pic with the reporter. Nor does it appear he had any with him either in Montreal or on the run. He looks like he wears track pants and hoodies a lot. Where are all his belongings? What happened to everything over the years?

Everything he had was in one small suitcase it appears?

He went to London with a purpose. And he sent that email. He needed an excuse...again. He had put more pressure on himself at that point hadn't he?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta told witness he was disappointed in his relationships, by the way people treated him.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta idolizes people then gets disappointed in them. Very needy. He took off wig to show hair transplants but had been pulling it out

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta at the time took off his wig, showed tufts of his hair was falling out due to balding condition.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta felt empty, fear of abandonment, betrayal. Will do anything to keep someone. Impulsive

Brigitte Noël ‏@Brige_Noel · 4m4 minutes ago
Paris says that at one point, #Magnotta took off wig he was wearing - he'd been tearing out hair in tufts. Talked about self-harming.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him he used to cut himself but no recent signs of self-mutilation.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
Paris says #Magnotta told of mood instability, very needy in life, unstable sense of self. Got hair transplants because was pulling hair out

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 4m4 minutes ago
Claimed self-mutilation, but dr didn't see scars #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
In past #Magnotta cut himself. Outbursts of anger. Had two suicide attempts via overdose.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 4m4 minutes ago
Typical high: fly to London to spend $1200 in clothes #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
Witness on #Magnotta current state of mind at the time: optimistic for the future and not suicidal. Very anxious person.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
Optimistic of future, but anxious. Worries everything he accomplishes will be ruined. Panic attacks. Fears judgment #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta feared being judge, feeling people not going to like him.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Re: the hair condition. #Magnotta had hair pulling issues and chewed on his hair.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta pulled out hair and chewed on it but didn't swallow it. No compulsive activity like hand washing, or obsessions

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta said he was "optimistic about the future, content with what he had", not suicidal but often anxious. Feared others would judge him

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta did not hear voices.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta denied hearing voices, when he spoke to Dr Paris "I'm only paranoid about getting fat" he said

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him he was only paranoid about getting fat: went to gym, looked at himself all the time.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
#Magnotta denied he heard voices. Paranoid self-conscious feelings. He was afraid of getting fat - went to gym and weighed himself often

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Meeting recorded? No. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Past psychiatric history: #Magnotta told him was hospitalized four times in Ontario and US.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta told witness about hearing noises in his head in the past.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
Psychiatric history came from #Magnotta only. Said he had been hospitalized four times. Heard noises in head. Was heavily into drugs at time

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 4m4 minutes ago
He said he was heavily into drugs #Magnotta

Brigitte Noël ‏@Brige_Noel · 4m4 minutes ago
Paris also says #Magnotta claimed he *didn't* hear voices. Said he heard "noises" in head when he did heavy drugs, cocaine.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him about the two suicide attempts, including subway jump.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta told Paris he had bipolar disorder. Tried to jump onto subway track but people pulled him back, Paris said

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
Was taking two antipsychotics and sleeping pill #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him about taking two anti-psychotic meds and sleeping pill.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him about dad diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him about taking anti-depressant.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta said had been diagnosed w/paranoid schizophrenia, but told Paris he thought noises in head because was heavily into drugs @ time.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta was on anti depressant at the time, and for some time before that.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta told Paris he was currently on Paxil, an anti-depressant

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him stopped cocaine use two years ago.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta has some alcohol overuse, two glasses of wine at dinner and before bed, hangover next day. Don't know if daily.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta also told Paris his original diagnosis was amended later to bipolar disorder. Said he didn't need antipsychotic medication.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta said he'd stopped marijuana two years ago. No alcoholism, but two glasses wine before noon and four to go to sleep

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Would someone please remind me - was JL's phone found? If so, where?

Thanks.....

 

[Rayemonde]

What was his purpose in going to London, though? I'm sure that the cat videos weren't filmed there. Did he go to London just to upload them and make people think they were filmed there?

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness on #Magnotta family background.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him about family abuse including rape by cousin when he was 14. Sexually involved with stepmother.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta said mother physically abused him. Stepfather abusive. at 14, raped by male cousin repeatedly. sexually involved with step mother.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta identified himself as bisexual, highly promiscuous, used protection.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta had serious romantic relationship, one with man, two with women.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta highly promiscuous but used protection. Bisexual. Last relationship was with man that ended in 2010

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him moved to Montreal to get away from family and start anew.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#magnotta didn't get along with family. "nefarious pontificating."

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta described family as sanctimonious, pontificating and nefarious in their actions.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta voice was normal, not depressed, thought process mostly logical=when anxious, difficult to follow.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Anything to support he was schizophrenic that day? Not on the basis of consultation. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Couldn't tell #Magnotta was schizophrenic based on the one interview Paris had with him. No evidence either he was doing bad things

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Based on the interview alone, did not present himself as someone who was suffering from such illness. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
No history of schizophrenia or bipolar affective disorder in report? No evidence of extended period of psychosis. #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 1m1 minute ago
Couldn't tell #Magnotta was suffering from schizophrenia. No evidence for it. No extended periods of psychosis. Didn't meet criteria

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Unstable mood did not meet criteria. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
No evidence of chronic psychosis. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Best explanation was borderline personality disorder=highly unstable mood, relationships (clingy, fear of abandonment). #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Also pattern of widespread impulsivity. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
IE: Suicidal gestures, drug use, used to cut himself. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 39s39 seconds ago
Witness says also other things=unstable lifestyle, no firm attachments, history of prostitution. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 1m1 minute ago
Paris: Diagnosis that best explained the story #Magnotta presented was borderline personality disorder.

 

[Rayemonde]

Would someone please remind me - was JL's phone found? If so, where?

Thanks.....

Sue Montgomery - Crown asks if Lin's phone recovered. Yes, it was at his Forest Hill apartment, Bourque says #Magnotta

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Interesting:

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta did not hear voices.


:thinking:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Sue Montgomery - Crown asks if Lin's phone recovered. Yes, it was at his Forest Hill apartment, Bourque says #Magnotta

And "his" = JL's?

 

[Kamille]

Would someone please remind me - was JL's phone found? If so, where?

Thanks.....

According to the detective this morning, it was found in JL's apartment.

Now I want to know where they found his keys. :thinking:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Sue Montgomery - Crown asks if Lin's phone recovered. Yes, it was at his Forest Hill apartment, Bourque says #Magnotta

I'm starting to think that LM only met JL that very night. The night/day the two of them are seen entering LM's apartment and LM has the plastic bag over his arm.

:thinking:

 

[BorgQueen]

So far I'm calling BS. Where are the expensive new clothes? He sure wasn't wearing them in the pic with the reporter. Nor does it appear he had any with him either in Montreal or on the run. He looks like he wears track pants and hoodies a lot. Where are all his belongings? What happened to everything over the years?

Everything he had was in one small suitcase it appears?

He went to London with a purpose. And he sent that email. He needed an excuse...again. He had put more pressure on himself at that point hadn't he?

MOO

Trackpants, hoodies, and that stupid, ugly striped shirt.

I also call BS. I think he was looking for meds.

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness says would rate #Magnotta was "mildly impaired" : had apartment, supporting himself, few relationships, not hospitalized recently.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta has pattern of being overly attached to people, then being abandoned and disappointed.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta did not need change in meds because did not present signs of psychosis or bipolar disorder.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 2m2 minutes ago
Was referred to Borderline Personality Disorder unit at JGH #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 54s54 seconds ago
#Magnotta is bent right over in the prisoner's box during this testimony. Doesn't seem to be paying attention

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness still not sure why #Magnotta came to see him. Did not ask for specific meds.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 26s26 seconds ago
Were you to see him again? I would have been in charge of next stage of evaluation. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 41s41 seconds ago
Paris suggested #Magnotta join the personality disorder program at JGH. Paris hoped to get psych records that spring to evaluate for prog.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 57s57 seconds ago
Crown asks for recess. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 45s45 seconds ago
Break in #Magnotta till 11:30

 

[Rayemonde]

Trackpants, hoodies, and that stupid, ugly striped shirt.

I also call BS. I think he was looking for meds.

No way. If he was telling them that so they'd think he had bipolar disorder, they would probably have given him lithium. Lithium is NOT a drug that anyone abuses.

 

[Kamille]

I'm starting to think that LM only met JL that very night. The night/day the two of them are seen entering LM's apartment and LM has the plastic bag over his arm.

:thinking:

It makes no sense that JL would arrange to meet a complete stranger at the McDonalds or Metro Station (which is it LM?) from an internet ad and not take his phone with him to this meeting.

Didn't he work in a convenience store? Did he live above the store? How close was his apartment to LM's? And what about these phone calls that were supposed to have been made from JL's phone on the 24th/25th to Vancouver? The plane ticket? Why is all this being eluded to and not being brought up in a coherent fashion? Just like Emile Lacroix

So frustrating. :gaah:

MOO

 

[Kamille]

So this 'final witness' needed all day Friday and all day yesterday to be prepared?

:thinking:

There was one tweet about the fact that the defence had rested without the accused taking the stand. I'm thinking there may have been an attempt. But perhaps he only wanted to talk about his mental illness and not about the murder. Which in turn would not allow the Crown to ask about it on cross. So perhaps they hashed out the possibilities for a couple of days, LeClair tried to prepare him and then aborted the idea yesterday? The press seemed to indicate some "very interesting" testimony was coming after the legal arguments on Friday. So I think it just may have been a possibility but the defence decided against it.

MOO

 

[Rayemonde]

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 17m17 minutes ago
Paris recommended he be followed by CLSC dr. No change of meds because #Magnotta didn't appear to suffer from psychosis or bipolar disorder.

Why didn't Paris take LM off the TWO antipsychotics LM said he was on if he thought LM had been misdiagnosed?

 

[Kamille]

No way. If he was telling them that so they'd think he had bipolar disorder, they would probably have given him lithium. Lithium is NOT a drug that anyone abuses.

The whole episode with Dr. Paris resulted from his trip to the clinic in which he complained that he couldn't sleep and had taken Temazepam in the past I believe. I think he was trying to get Temazepam from the clinic. Since he had such success with the clinic doctor that he followed around in Toronto by just telling him of his "history".

The clinic wisely didn't just prescribe him the Temazepam, they referred him to Dr. Paris. So he keeps the appointment and tells him a bunch of stuff that is not consistent with what he has told other psychiatrists and even tells him that he is currently on medication. I thought I saw somewhere in the part of the report that was posted that Dr. Paris thought that he should continue on with the Paxil (which according to the other doctors whom he saw after the murder, he was not taking for 2 years). I guess since there was no reference that we could see about the Temazepam, and the Crown did not bring it up, that LM did not get it from Dr. Paris either? So where did he get it?

And why was he looking for marijuana as well? Because he couldn't get the Temazepam? Or did he just like smoking a joint, drinking 4 glasses of wine, taking a Benedryl with a Temazepam chaser every night before bed?

MOO

 

[maxfactor]

Why didn't Paris take LM off the TWO antipsychotics LM said he was on if he thought LM had been misdiagnosed?

Antipsychotics are also given for anxiety, I know someone with BPD and anxiety who is on them.

 

[Kamille]

Why didn't Paris take LM off the TWO antipsychotics LM said he was on if he thought LM had been misdiagnosed?

He only told Dr. Paris about one that I'm aware of. Paxil?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Here's the report that was posted. You can see that he was sent back to the referring physician for pharmacology. So is that back to the clinic doctor? Did he go back? Will we be hearing from that doctor?

MOO