GUILTY MA - Ana Walshe, 39, allegedly left home, may have been dismembered, Cohasset, Jan 2023 *husband indicted* #4

  • #2,681
What is the general consensus about Ana staying in or leaving the marriage?
She had checked out of the marriage already.
She has a new condo already all set up in DC, with bedrooms for the 3 boys. And BW was not legally allowed to move there.

She and BW had not been intimate for a year, and she was very emotionally involved with her new man.

She had already 'left' the marriage but she was afraid to tell BW I think. She was waiting until he was sentenced so she would have the safety she needed to make her exit. imo
 
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She had checked out of the marriage already.
She has a new condo already all set up in DC, with bedrooms for the 3 boys. And BW was not legally allowed to move there.

She and BW had not been intimate for a year, and she was very emotionally involved with her new man.

She had already 'left' the marriage but she was afraid to tell BW I think. She was waiting until he was sentenced so she would have the safety she needed to make her exit. imo

That’s what I thought but her friend said she wanted her marriage and family, then what she wrote on the bottle. She may have said those things to thwart any leaks before she left.
 
  • #2,683
So the defense stated BW never knew about the affair. Ok I only watched recaps of the trial. And bits and pieces. Thx.
BW google searched WF on 12/27/22.
 
  • #2,684
I can’t believe that Ana openly said during the NYE party lets send this to Will re: the picture of her Gem and their son. After all BW took the picture. Maybe if he left the room for a moment, I could see her saying it then, but her saying that right in front of everyone I don’t get.
 
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I can’t believe that Ana openly said during the NYE party lets send this to Will re: the picture of her Gem and their son. After all BW took the picture. Maybe if he left the room for a moment, I could see her saying it then, but her saying that right in front of everyone I don’t get.

There's a lot we don't know. Because BW murdered the most important witness.

Maybe she already had the hard conversation with him. Maybe he took it better than she thought. He's a slick con man with the slicked back hair to prove it. Maybe he told her he understood, maybe he agreed to all sorts of things, while immediately planned to end their marriage on his terms. Easy to make all kinds of promises when you know you won't have to keep them. Artwork's in the mail.

Maybe her NYE message telegraphs that conversation. They are going to stay "together" as a family, to raise the children ("co-parent")... the children staying in DC until his case resolves... it's amazing how amicably two people could work out the details of the dissolution of a marriage when one of them is lying. He says, he understands, she's been such a good wife to him and mother of the children but he's been depressed, distracted, she deserves to be happy, and if that's with someone else, well, he just wants her to be happy.

Maybe that's why she was so enthusiastic that evening, she may have thought it was all out in the open, they were going to move forward, together but apart. It might have felt like a huge relief to her.

And he would have had every reason to play the part of responsible failure, understanding friend because, while he was not interested in divorce, he was not above murder.

JMO
 
  • #2,686
I just realized something. Probably obvious but I want to give it words.

The messy crime scene suggests an unplanned attack. Surely if he was planning to murder her, he'd have planned better, right? What if he DID plan it better and it just didn't go as planned? And I don't mean a weeks long plan. Hours maybe, but a plan nonetheless.

FotisDulos murdered and disappeared his wife, carefully planned to abduction her, stage a gone girl substation and had an elaborate alibi in place. He might have gotten away with it too (he suicided before trial) except that his estranged wife fought back with the force of a thousand warrior mothers. She wasn't able to overcome his knife but she succeeded in, in effect, writing his name in her blood. (Leaving a crime scene which ultimately led to his arrest.)

If BW had strangled AW to death, dismemberment might not have come into play. No hacksaw, no buckets, no baking soda, no rugs, no slippers. He might still have been tripped up by GPS and CCTV but there's be zero blood, zero weapons, zero tools.

The crime scene tells ME that things didn't go as planned, and I think that's because AW fought back. With everything she had. The result, blood loss. Greater injury to her but proof of the attack.

I really hope the jurors stay grounded in reason. The Defense handed it to them -- either BW murdered AW or she died of SUDS. It's just not even kind of reasonable because nothing in his actions suggest that that's what he thought occurred.

It was a messy death.

The bloody slippers came before the shoes covers.

Hoping the jury puts it all together on Monday.

JMO
 
  • #2,687
I finally had an opportunity to watch the closings last night. I found the prosecutions closing lacking in emotion, just felt like she was reading her closing…..but she did go through her bullet points.

This case is really a no brainer imo that Brian murdered Ana. No way would someone cut her up and dispose of her remains and remnants of it if it was a SUD.

I believe the issue will be a consensus in the jury room if it was Murder 1 (with premeditation) or Murder 2. Either way, I believe he will be found guilty.
 
  • #2,688
Tipton created a straw man that there should be some signs of preplanning that would be discoverable by MSP, whereas in my opinion there is no reason to believe such indicators would exist in the form of documents, data, texts etc - why on earth would that exist?

What we do see is a building of motive, a building of tension, and a deterioration of their relationship to a crisis point. I believe Walshe only finally decided to act that night, because it was his last opportunity. Maybe only after the dinner guest left. We don't know what was said between them but IMO whatever was said, doomed Ana. I suspect Walshe was not in fact ready to act but had thought about it.

My sympathy for MSP's investigation, is that contrary to Tipton's claims, Walshe was very successful in disposing of the body and cleaning up the crime scene, to the point where it became difficult to prosecute him. Indeed he cleaned up almost all traces, and vanished the body before MSP ever came to his house. It's only by chance that one of the dumpsters was not emptied, otherwise he might have got clean away with this.

And it's thanks to the slip up by Walshe and Attorney Miner that MSP broke the case. Miner was negligent in her consent to the iPad search, but that is because Walshe told her it was clean - Miner then misled Judge Freniere about that, but Freniere did not come down in the last shower. Why was the iPad ever shared if not to try to throw MSP off the scent by pretending to cooperate. Walshe thought they wouldn't find anything on it.

IMO it was established that a knife was used in the commission of this crime (search and cut finger). It's my speculation that Walshe incapacitated Ana somehow, and then the final murder was in the basement on the rug - MSP need not prove that.

I maintain that this is clear M1 if you make the logical and obvious inferences. Tipton invites us to speculate about things that are not in evidence. There is no evidence that Walshe panicked, nor that he murdered Ana in the heat of the moment without forethought. Tipton invents a rationale unsupported by any statement by Walshe, and contrary to his observed demeanour. Were I a juror, I would not give him the benefit of that doubt when he is the only witness who could bring that testimony. Walshe has in fact offered no explanation for why he dismembered the victim. Especially as a matter of public policy, I do not believe the defendant ought to be able to destroy all the evidence of his murder, then claim you can't prove intent because all the evidence destruction was after the fact.

Hopefully the jurors take a robust approach.

My 02c.
 
  • #2,689
There's a lot we don't know. Because BW murdered the most important witness.

Maybe she already had the hard conversation with him.

Exactly Meg

There was a lot of nonsense talked by Tipton about the celebrations. As if it should have been obvious to the guest that murder was in the air. Seems obvious both had reason to pretend.
 
  • #2,690
I think Ana decided she was done . They talked after Gem left. Brian lost it and killed her. IMO
 
  • #2,691
What did Brian write on the wine box?
 
  • #2,692
Have we seen photos from that evening? Including the one sent to WF?
 
  • #2,693
When I first read what Ana wrote on the box of champagne, I thought she was living the "fake it till you make it" philosophy. I imagine all l of us have done that, I certainly have. But once more news came out, the trial started, and evidence of how calm he was as he went about buying everything he needed to dismember her and toss the evidence all over the South Shore, I started second-guessing her New Year's message.

I think she did tell BW she needed to move on, and as @Megnut describes above, he lied and smoothly told her that he was on board with her needs. She thought everything was good for her to move on, take the boys, and live her life. But I know someone just like BW, I know how smoothly someone like him can lie. Someone like BW tells you what you want to hear. But since everything is about them, they are already figuring out how to turn the tables so they "win" in the end. BW would lose his freedom, his high-life lifestyle, if she left. I think his plan was to kill her in a way he could collect her life insurance, but she was able to fight back...until she couldn't. That's when things got messy.

I'm so sad Ana was duped, from the 1st day she met him. She never had a chance. His mom enabled him to appear to be the golden boy, but he is just pyrite.

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Do we have any history on the knife? Is it a kitchen knife? Keepsake knife? Maybe not even THE murder weapon... wild that he kept it. Why not dumpster it with everything else? Featured prominently in his Google searches. Not "what's the best way to dispose of a knife?" but "can blood be washed off?" Clearly he intended to keep it.

Maybe SO no knife would be missing? Didn't kill anybody with a knife if the knife is right here...

I think it all happened relatively fast, ultimately a fatal stabbing, singular or multiple. Fast action to grab towels and bath rugs, wrap her in the rug and get her to the basement ASAP. Little opportunity for blood to pool. Possibly the staining on the rug back occurred while blood saturated the rug after he'd wrapped around her. In the basement, not in the living room at all.

IMO he meant to kill her. If she had any kind of a death rattle, he stabbed her to stop it. Depending on where that knife was, age may have tried to use it to defende herself and he cut himself grabbing it from her. I DO NOT think he PLANNED to kill her messily.

Expecting her to die IMO face him every advantage, including to wasted time for processing after. No 'what have I done'. Therefore his two pressing tasks -- hide her, clean up -- before any child walked in on him.

I think the stabbing probably resulted in an unplanned, near severing of something... so he bought the tools to finish the job.

JMO
 
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Why didn't the Defense, instead of LAME SUDS, research a sudden death that includes blood letting and clots? Sudden leukemia... at least he could claim a massive nose bleed. But honestly, if they're going to be inventive, why not try for a narrative that accounts for the blood? SUDS is not believable. Nor is the nudge out of bed. That didn't break her necklace or leave the downstairs rug bloody...

JMO
 
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Jury thought process.

Did she die of SUDS?

Serious mental gymnastics to buy into that.

So then, how did she die?

BW himself was fixated on that knife, as attested by his Googke searches.

Why would he do that if no knife was used?

He wouldn't.

A knife was used.

It TAKES TIME to pick up a knife and decide to use it. Seconds enough to call or premeditation.

It is not reasonable to think BW was searching about body knives purely randomly.

It's reasonable to take his timely interest and consider it with the rest.

If you believe he used a knife to kill AW, you have grounds to identify that as premeditated.

M1

JMO
 
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Why didn't the Defense, instead of LAME SUDS, research a sudden death that includes blood letting and clots? Sudden leukemia... at least he could claim a massive nose bleed. But honestly, if they're going to be inventive, why not try for a narrative that accounts for the blood? SUDS is not believable. Not is the nudge out of bed. That didn't break her necklace or leave the downstairs rug bloody...

JMO
I mentioned that earlier, even a suicide (bloody) could have fit within the parameters of the case. He panicked figured people would blame him.

In your suggestion he would be liable for not getting her medical attention.

In my suggestion although she was exhausted, at her breaking point, and stressed I think there was enough positives to argue as well. Looking to the future, wanting the kids, new lover, doing well at job.

What other bloody sudden death could there be?
 
  • #2,698
What is the general consensus about Ana staying in or leaving the marriage?
I think sahe was definintely leaving
JMO
 
  • #2,699
This has such parallels to the Jennifer Dulos case.... (soon to be ex- husband was seen with trash bags with wife's body being tossed in trash cans with his paramour sitting in the car).

I worry that the jury will find for 2nd degree M but not 1st. The prosecution could have done better IMO, not that they did poorly but I wish they put the pieces together better for the jury.

The testimony by Ana's new friend in DC was so so heartbreaking... but emotion can't win the day.
 
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Jury thought process.

Did she die of SUDS?

Serious mental gymnastics to buy into that.

So then, how did she die?

BW himself was fixated on that knife, as attested by his Googke searches.

Why would he do that if no knife was used?

He wouldn't.

A knife was used.

It TAKES TIME to pick up a knife and decide to use it. Seconds enough to call or premeditation.

It is not reasonable to think BW was searching about body knives purely randomly.

It's reasonable to take his timely interest and consider it with the rest.

If you believe he used a knife to kill AW, you have grounds to identify that as premeditated.

M1

JMO
Yes, the knife did become one of the key players in the testimony.
 

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