Still Missing MA - Ana Walshe, 39, allegedly left home, may have been dismembered, Cohasset, Jan 2023 *husband indicted* #4

[Serononin]

I almost feel sorry for the defense counsel, they had to come up with something, and Brian really didn't give them a lot to work with.

Honestly, I probably would've told the guy "you're cooked, dude, just plead guilty", but that is (one of many reasons) why I'm not a lawyer

 

[Eli9]

I'm stuck on

I almost feel sorry for the defense counsel, they had to come up with something, and Brian really didn't give them a lot to work with.

Honestly, I probably would've told the guy "you're cooked, dude, just plead guilty", but that is (one of many reasons) why I'm not a lawyer

Tipton seemed mighty quiet this morning.

He'll muster up some yelling and shouting for sure tomorrow and then be at the pub swallowing down this latest loss in his statistic record.

 

[Megnut]

I'm stuck on

Tipton seemed mighty quiet this morning.

He'll muster up some yelling and shouting for sure tomorrow and then be at the pub swallowing down this latest loss in his statistic record.

We will never know.

As of last night, did Tipton expect BW to testify? What changed overnight? Or was Tipton power-moving, knew BW was not going to testify but didn't want to telegraph that to the judge/CW? He effectively truncated the amount if time the CW has to prepare its closing argument.

Or did BW surprise him with the switch up this morning?

I suspect the former. Pure strategy.

Also IMO try knew all along they weren't going to on a defense.

If you listen to their opening, I think they used that as their template for cross examination. Got the doctor to discuss SUDS and a variety of ways individuals could die. Their closing will use the CW's experts as if their testimony confirms their opening promises. "You have heard evidence that...." People die of SUDS. There was clean up but the compactor transfered the DNA. No one can say whose slippers those were. It was a happy NYE celebration. Love, love, love. BW didn't ask for permission for a NYD dinner with his wife because he knew it wouldn't be granted, he wanted to give her that, that much, that he was willing to invite whatever penalty, after.

Yada yada.

It won't be compelling.

JMO

 

[geevee]

Is anyone a little concerned about who will be doing the closing for the prosecution?

I hope she won’t be using her kindergarten teacher’s voice to be arguing the “murder of Ana” by Brian. jmo

Yes, I was quite dispirited when she said she would be doing closings, the other DA is so much more direct, organized and efficient. At least it's only 45 minutes and not half the day. Though I do expect Tipton to argue again in the morning and delay things a bit, he's just so desperate for CW not to mention all the evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) they have.

 

[Eli9]

Is anyone a little concerned about who will be doing the closing for the prosecution?

I hope she won’t be using her kindergarten teacher’s voice to be arguing the “murder of Ana” by Brian. jmo

I had to think about this. I like the guy who did the opening but we only have context of her asking the CW's witness' for testimony and no witness' from the defense. I'm hoping she is a lot tougher than she sounds and am trusting that she may surprise us tomorrow.

I want her to come in like a wrecking ball, cue Miley Cirus.

 

[waldojabba]

I was out all day and just got a chance to view some of the court footage

Stunning.... is an understatement
Not at all expected
I expected he'd either testify or not
Not say he would testify and then, in less than twenty four hours, make a complete about face!
Sorry just kidding?
Would love to know the thought process behind that little pirouette

His lawyers looked and acted a little sheepish so I wonder if it took them by surprise today too. Brian had on a "testiying" outfit, so I wonder if he backed out at the last minute
The shock on the judge's face was actually priceless altho to her credit she made a quick recovery
What a twist of events that was in "episode" nine of this trial

Well..so that's that

The judge's decision about his pleas -
Evidently she is not letting the jury know about his prior pleas
I get her legal reasons and discussion of precedent but it would seem as a practical matter, if I were on the jury I would be angry that information was held back from me that is tangential to the killing

I do think the decision has merit for both sides - but overall I think it really cooks Brian's goose.
If it does boomerang on the defendant it's all on BW - he tried to be as Alan Jackson would say, "too cute by half", by entering those pleas and isolating the murder charge.

I'll have to read up here and elsewhere later to find out what time the closing arguments will be - fingers crossed they are pushed to the afternoon tomorrow.

He will be found guilty of murder its just a question of murder uno or manslaughter

Juist adding -once again we see incompetent DA's from Morrisseys office - these guys not as bad as Lally but cmon. Witness prep? what witnes prep. MASS needs to budget higher salaries for these positions and really draw better candidates. Hopefully no flubbing the closing tomorrow / Lock him up for good
JMO

 

[waldojabba]

I like this instruction.

Jury can be aware of those things, they can weigh them, but they CAN'T find him guilty simply because he's guilty of THOSE things.

JMO

I did not watch the proceeding from today long enough to understand this - glad its being acknowledged
JMO

 

[waldojabba]

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Brian Walshe defense rests without calling witnesses

Brian Walshe’s defense team will not call any witnesses, choosing to rest their case Thursday morning instead of presenting any evidence on the defendant’s behalf in his first-degree murder t…

www.bostonherald.com

"Judge Diane Freniere seemed surprised when the defense said that Walshe wouldn’t be testifying. Based on the defense’s opening argument, she said it appeared Walshe would get on the stand. The defense had also brought several concerns about Walshe’s upcoming testimony to Freniere the night before.

“Alright, does that moot every issue I researched last night?” she asked.

“I apologize, your honor,” Walshe’s defense lawyer Larry Tipton said.“Alright, does that moot every issue I researched last night?” she asked.
“I apologize, your honor,” Walshe’s defense lawyer Larry Tipton said.
'Freniere decided that Walshe’s prior convictions and guilty pleas for charges of federal fraud, lying to the police, mishandling a body, and lying to a probation officer will be mentioned in the instructions to the jury with the caveat that they cannot use those facts to find that Walshe has a criminal character and the reminder that they are only determining his guilt on the murder charge."

BBM -i am scratching my head about this instruction - confusing as hell to me

JMO

 

[Eli9]

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Brian Walshe defense rests without calling witnesses

Brian Walshe’s defense team will not call any witnesses, choosing to rest their case Thursday morning instead of presenting any evidence on the defendant’s behalf in his first-degree murder t…

www.bostonherald.com

"Judge Diane Freniere seemed surprised when the defense said that Walshe wouldn’t be testifying. Based on the defense’s opening argument, she said it appeared Walshe would get on the stand. The defense had also brought several concerns about Walshe’s upcoming testimony to Freniere the night before.

“Alright, does that moot every issue I researched last night?” she asked.

“I apologize, your honor,” Walshe’s defense lawyer Larry Tipton said.“Alright, does that moot every issue I researched last night?” she asked.
“I apologize, your honor,” Walshe’s defense lawyer Larry Tipton said.
'Freniere decided that Walshe’s prior convictions and guilty pleas for charges of federal fraud, lying to the police, mishandling a body, and lying to a probation officer will be mentioned in the instructions to the jury with the caveat that they cannot use those facts to find that Walshe has a criminal character and the reminder that they are only determining his guilt on the murder charge."

BBM -i am scratching my head about this instruction - confusing as hell to me

JMO

I know, it's judicial wording, but in the end what were all those guilty pleas for....LYING

 

[waldojabba]

‘I’m in shock’: Legal expert reacts to sudden turn of events in Brian Walshe’s murder trial

Anticipation over whether or not Brian Walshe would take the stand in his trial had been bubbling, but the Cohasset murder suspect made his intentions clear on Thursday.

www.yahoo.com

BBM
“I don’t know how many other witnesses there would have been...If the defense was ever going to be that he didn’t kill her, he was the only one there. There were no witnesses,” Elikann explained. “He [Walshe] was probably just about the only person who could have testified."

exactly Brian was the only one there-who else could have killed her ?

 

[Eli9]

‘I’m in shock’: Legal expert reacts to sudden turn of events in Brian Walshe’s murder trial

Anticipation over whether or not Brian Walshe would take the stand in his trial had been bubbling, but the Cohasset murder suspect made his intentions clear on Thursday.

www.yahoo.com

BBM
“I don’t know how many other witnesses there would have been...If the defense was ever going to be that he didn’t kill her, he was the only one there. There were no witnesses,” Elikann explained. “He [Walshe] was probably just about the only person who could have testified."

exactly Brian was the only one there-who else could have killed her ?

Yes, but defense will assert she died of natural causes.
They admit he lied to police
That he made all of the incriminating purchases.

They are going to try to convince the jury that there was no identified murder weapon or murder scene
Nor was there a clean up scene after all he didn't even use all the buckets
That the couple was as last as 12/29 looking to the (future) purchase investment properties.
That BW wasn't aware of an affair and was just madly in love with AW (even though they weren't intimate)
That NY eve was festive and jovial
They are going to go hard on intent and premeditation cause that is the bar for Murder 1.

The CW is going to have to draw a dot to dot line with the bread crumbs and really tie up the case with a clear sense of direction and also explain that the post murder purchases was not part of the premeditation. I've had to do a little bit of mental gymnastics because I don't feel that the defense has laid out a clear picture, and maybe we will never have one, but by isolating several things I can get there and the rest is just noise that isn't even needed. To me they have to focus on what happened prior to 1/1 and on 1/1. And I think they have enough.

 

[Eli9]

I was out all day and just got a chance to view some of the court footage

Stunning.... is an understatement
Not at all expected
I expected he'd either testify or not
Not say he would testify and then, in less than twenty four hours, make a complete about face!
Sorry just kidding?
Would love to know the thought process behind that little pirouette

His lawyers looked and acted a little sheepish so I wonder if it took them by surprise today too. Brian had on a "testiying" outfit, so I wonder if he backed out at the last minute
The shock on the judge's face was actually priceless altho to her credit she made a quick recovery
What a twist of events that was in "episode" nine of this trial

Well..so that's that

The judge's decision about his pleas -
Evidently she is not letting the jury know about his prior pleas
I get her legal reasons and discussion of precedent but it would seem as a practical matter, if I were on the jury I would be angry that information was held back from me that is tangential to the killing

I do think the decision has merit for both sides - but overall I think it really cooks Brian's goose.
If it does boomerang on the defendant it's all on BW - he tried to be as Alan Jackson would say, "too cute by half", by entering those pleas and isolating the murder charge.

I'll have to read up here and elsewhere later to find out what time the closing arguments will be - fingers crossed they are pushed to the afternoon tomorrow.

He will be found guilty of murder its just a question of murder uno or manslaughter

Juist adding -once again we see incompetent DA's from Morrisseys office - these guys not as bad as Lally but cmon. Witness prep? what witnes prep. MASS needs to budget higher salaries for these positions and really draw better candidates. Hopefully no flubbing the closing tomorrow / Lock him up for good
JMO

So far they are set for the am.

Do you, or any of you, know of any 'verdict reached' apps that I can utilize for tomorrow?

 

[waldojabba]

One last Q for tonight :
Does anybody know how the court is handling the rights to any books /movies/ money to made off of this tragedy.
When this souless phony is convicted can he profit? thats my question

if anyone know than you so much

 

[geevee]

So far they are set for the am.

Do you, or any of you, know of any 'verdict reached' apps that I can utilize for tomorrow?

Law & Crime used to have a Twitter feature that will alert you to a verdict, maybe someone here can link you to how to add it (I never used it myself).

 

[browneyes]

His google searches are damning.

 

[LeahBee]

He is cooked!

The defense theory that she died of natural causes and BW panicked because he thought he'd be blamed... did they present any evidence at all that BW had REASONABLE cause to be concerned he'd be blamed?

And for someone who sure loves some Google research he didn't do any searches such as "causes of sudden death" "adult suddenly died no symptoms" "wife died after feeling unwell" "can you revive someone 20 minutes after they died?"

Because I also love some Google research and when I get something like a pain in my toe I'm googling "what causes pain in toe" NOT "10 best ways to amputate my toe"

This idiot...

 

[browneyes]

The judge: there is no evidence of sudden death...

So can the jury not consider that?
I apologize. I haven’t been able to keep up like I would like.

 

[Megnut]

He is cooked!

The defense theory that she died of natural causes and BW panicked because he thought he'd be blamed... did they present any evidence at all that BW had REASONABLE cause to be concerned he'd be blamed?

And for someone who sure loves some Google research he didn't do any searches such as "causes of sudden death" "adult suddenly died no symptoms" "wife died after feeling unwell" "can you revive someone 20 minutes after they died?"

Because I also love some Google research and when I get something like a pain in my toe I'm googling "what causes pain in toe" NOT "10 best ways to amputate my toe"

This idiot...

And.... the slipper was bloody.

Guess it got there when he nudged her out of bed.

Except it didn't happen in the bedroom.

How did she die?

Why would BW be asking Google about blood and DNA and knives if a knife didn't feature into his dilemma?

D'oh.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

So can the jury not consider that?
I apologize. I haven’t been able to keep up like I would like.

They can iiuc.

The Defense wants to counter that there's no evidence of homicide.

All the blood could have come from his disposing of her. You know, damn trash compacter. Always smushing blood on things.

Hello, why did he throw the jacket and slippers away? Old, out of style? Just a tidy guy?

Or was it a bloody sudden unexplained death? Seems like bloody would be a clue to help an ME discern what occurred.... sudden, yes. Unexplained? No. BW effectively explained it with his internet searches.

JMO

 

[browneyes]

They can iiuc.

The Defense wants to counter that there's no evidence of homicide.

All the blood could have come from his disposing of her. You know, damn trash compacter. Always smushing blood on things.

Hello, why did he throw the jacket and slippers away? Old, out of style? Just a tidy guy?

Or was it a bloody sudden unexplained death? Seems like bloody would be a clue to help an ME discern what occurred.... sudden, yes. Unexplained? No. BW effectively explained it with his internet searches.

JMO

Thank you. Was the rug discarded before his multiple murder aisle cleanup trips?