GUILTY MA - Colleen Ritzer, 24, brutally murdered, Danvers, 22 Oct 2013 #2

[jacct]

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 2m2 minutes ago
Gur says #PhilipChism brain showed lower than average volume in areas, including hippocampus, associated with schizophrenia.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Gur: it's commonly accepted in scientific community that people with schizophrenia have low volume in certain areas of brain.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
In the middle of Dr. Gur's testimony, the video conference cut out and it went to some baaaad hold music.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 1m1 minute ago
Oh dear ... Gur video link lost and replaced by what sounds like a sexy film soundtrack. Everyone stifling laughter.

 

[AnaTeresa]

The livestream would be helpful here. I can accept that those patients with schizophrenia may have changes to the brain which can be seen on MRI. But, I personally would want more that directly links those brain changes to schizophrenia or behavior under psychosis. Right now it looks more like correlation, rather than causation.

 

[jacct]

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
We're back with Gur on the video feed.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 2m2 minutes ago Salem, MA
Back up and running. Gur continues, talking about how volumetric analysis of brain is widely accepted as research tool.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 1m1 minute ago
Gur rejoins us. Cannibal Richard "The Vampire Killer" Chase and David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz were diagnosed schizophrenics.

Gah...what does that tweet mean? Were they diagnosed based on MRIs? More info please!

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Gur: The main regions of the brain that have been implicated in schizophrenia show the same abnormalities in #PhilipChism's brain.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Gur: Traumatic brain injury also possible. There's a very pronounced volume reduction on one side of #PhilipChism's brain. Asymmetrical.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 58s58 seconds ago
Regan is done. Now ADA and MacDougall is on cross. She is trying to debunk his methods and scientific value in this case.

 

[jacct]

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
ADA asking how many of 61 teens #PhilipChism's brain was compared to are still followed to see if they remained healthy, w/o schizophrenia.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
ADA: Were parents who allowed their kids' brain to be studied informed that their brains would be used for expert testimony?

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 54s55 seconds ago Salem, MA
Prosecutor crossing Gur, clearing up that he didn't interview, review medical records or anything to do w/crime of #PhilipChism

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 29s30 seconds ago
ADA: according to DSM V, schizophrenia cannot be diagnosed solely by MRI? Right, Gur said. Only by behavior.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 1m1 minute ago
Under cross by prosecutor Kate MacDougall, Gur concedes he did not talk to #PhilipChism, review his medical records or the crime evidence.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 2m2 minutes ago Salem, MA
UPENN psychiatrist Dr. Theodore Satterthwaite testifying now.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 52s52 seconds ago
Satterthwaite said this is his first time testifying.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Can someone recommend a good livestream? I am trying WAT and its not working.....

 

[AnaTeresa]

Volumetric analysis may be accepted as a research tool, but as far as I know, not as a diagnostic tool.

And if Chism had a substantial traumatic brain injury, there are actual specialists in that field who would meet with him to put him through a battery of tests to determine how much that TBI impacted his ability to act rationally. I handled a case that involved a TBI, and the testing for that is a full day or two of personality assessments and the like, not just imaging. It's quite thorough and I feel like if Chism truly had a TBI and impulsivity issues, the defense would have an expert here testifying about it. The fact that they don't is telling. :twocents:

ETA: If he did have a TBI, he would have had a forensic examination by a clinical neuropsychologist. Here's a good article detailing what that would entail. http://www.div40.org/pdf/NeuropscyhBroch2.pdf

ETA2: Skigirl can probably talk about this far better than I can. Skigirl, are you here?

 

[jacct]

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 57s57 seconds ago
Regan now calls psychiatrist Dr. Theodore Satterthewaite, also of UPenn, also testifying by video.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Satterthwaite said this is his first time testifying.

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 2m2 minutes ago
Now testifying by video is Penn prof Dr. Ted Satterthwaite. #PhilipChism He is also conducting brain volume studies.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 1m1 minute ago Salem, MA
Many repeat questions being asked of Satterthwaite. Not sure what the defense is getting out of this.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 54s55 seconds ago
Satterthewaite studied the same MIRs of #PhilipChism brain as Gur using the same control group of 61 due to similarity in age.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Asking about sample size of 61. Doctor says they don't expect it to be overestimating abnormality with that number.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 1m1 minute ago Salem, MA
Satterthwaite agrees with Gur's opinion that brain abnormalities in #PhilipChism were consistent with schizophrenia

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Dr. S: "the pattern of volume loss in this brain is globally consistent with what we see in schizophrenia."

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
ADA onto cross of Satterthwaite.

 

[jacct]

Can someone recommend a good livestream? I am trying WAT and its not working.....

None of the livestreams are up today, I keep checking the 3 I have and all are down.

 

[jacct]

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
ADA: You said you selected these 61 brains because brain goes through a lot of changes as we age? Yes, doctor says.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
ADA: this is particularly true in adolescence? Doctor: Yes. Satterthwaite is done.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 59s59 seconds ago Salem, MA
MacDougall gets slightly heated: says there has been "a consistent lack of professional courtesy" in #PhilipChism case from defense.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 1m1 minute ago
MacDougall sounds blindsided by today's testimony, blasts Team #PhilipChism for "consistent lack of professional courtesy."

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 53s54 seconds ago
Regan says she's sorry, but she made a strategic decision to focus on other issues after the testimony started.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 2m2 minutes ago Salem, MA
The #PhilipChism defense team may have led prosecution to believe there would be a lot more to today's hearing, perhaps wasted their time

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Some real tension between the counselors. We're in a 10 minute break.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

None of the livestreams are up today, I keep checking the 3 I have and all are down.

oh, ok, thanks!

 

[jacct]

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 7m7 minutes ago
Lowy cautions, "The more tense things get, the calmer we should become."

No tweets since this one. It's over 20 minutes now.

 

[jacct]

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 52s52 seconds ago Salem, MA
Defense moves to admit testimony that abnormalities in #PhilipChism brain consistent w/schizophrenia. "This is not untested science"

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 1m1 minute ago
Regan implores Lowy to admit the testimony, arguing she's not claiming #PhilipChism has schizophrenia, "It's just one brick in the wall."

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 2m2 minutes ago
Regan wants jurors to hear that a lower brain volume is consistent with schizophrenia.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 1m1 minute ago Salem, MA
Prosecution objects to testimony because: MRI scan cannot diagnose schizophrenia and #PhilipChism was diagnosed with unspecified psychosis not schizophrenia

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 1m1 minute ago
MacDougall fears jury will "misuse" the information in deliberations

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
ADA: DSM V makes very clear volumetric analysis is not a diagnosis tool for schizophrenia.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
ADA: Dr Dudley (defense expert witness) does not diagnose #PhilipChism with schizophrenia. Diagnoses him with nonspecific psychosis.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 3m3 minutes ago Salem, MA
Therefore, the testimony related to #PhilipChism possibly having schizophrenia is completely unnecessary according to commonwealth.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
ADA: And neither doctor can say whether #PhilipChism's brain was abnormal back when he was 14, when the murder happened.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 2m2 minutes ago
Points out brain volume loss "is not a diagnostic tool for schizophrenic. It's not used to treat patients."

 

[jacct]

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
#PhilipChism's mom and her friend didn't come back into the courtroom after break. Colleen Ritzer's parents are here.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 1m1 minute ago
Prosecutor questions how court can accept brain analysis of #PhilipChism at 16 when the murder of Colleen Ritzer occurred when he was 14.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 45s46 seconds ago
MacDougall: "We're looking at a brain that is undergoing significant volumetric change."

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
ADA: "The kingpin (Dr. Dudley) doesn't say he's schizophrenic" in his report.

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 46s46 seconds ago
Prosecutor says "all of a sudden we're going to throw this schizophrenia bomb into the mix" to bolster defense.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 54s54 seconds ago Salem, MA
Defense: #PhilipChism diagnosed by Dr. Dudley with unspecified psychotic disorder, schizophrenia is a psychotic disorder within that range

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Defense: Dr Dudley says #PhilipChism has a psychotic disorder. Schizophrenia is a psychotic disorder. Could develop into schizophrenia.

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 1m1 minute ago
MacDougall accuses defense of throwing "this schizophrenia bomb into the mix," when their expert witness won't testify to such.

 

[jacct]

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 1m1 minute ago The defense wants main expert Dr. Richard Dudley to be able to say #PhilipChism had non-specific psychotic disorder.

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 1m1 minute ago
Then, they would call another expert to describe symptoms of schizophrenia. Then let the jury decide.

Interesting concept. A qualified psychiatrist cannot determine schizophrenia but the jury can by looking at some MRIs and getting a lecture on brain volume from Dr. Gur.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Basically: should MRI images be allowed in as evidence, and can they be used to indicate possibility of schizophrenia.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
ADAs objections: What is the relevance when Dudley never used the word schizophrenia. Possibility of misuse by jurors.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Defense: The relevance of the brain studies is that #PhilipChism has a psychotic disorder. Scans corroborate psychotic disorder.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 1m1 minute ago Salem, MA
MacDougall worried simply mentioning schizophrenia is dangerous and that they can't "pretend the jury isn't going to go there"

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC
Judge says he needs about 15 minutes to think about the issue and then could rule.

 

[AmyPond]

I hope the judge doesn't allow it. I think it will just muddy the waters (which is obviously what the defense wants.)

 

[jacct]

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 4m4 minutes ago
Judge is back. He will NOT allow Dr. Satterthwaite to testify about the MRI and imagine.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 3m3 minutes ago Salem, MA
Lowy rules to not allow that testimony partially because it's not relevant to mental state at time of crime.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC 3m3 minutes ago Salem, MA
Also because 61 teens used to compare the MRI to isn't enough data and the jury would be inclined to connect inadmissible dots

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 2m2 minutes ago
Judge: Jury would be asked to infer that because of the abnormal brain, #PhilipChism had schizophrenia. That is "impermissible inference."

Laurel J. SweetVerified account ‏@Laurel_Sweet 1m1 minute ago
Lowy rules the testimony is out, calling it unduly prejudicial to prosecutors.

 

[jacct]

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis
Judge says information to be offered by Satterwthwaite would be more prejudicial to the prosecution than helpful to the jury.

Ethan Hartley ‏@Ehartley_DH_BC
Ruling means defense won't be allowed to insinuate possibility that #PhilipChism has schizophrenia to jury. Undoubtedly a shot to their case

While no one tweeted it, it appears that Dr. Gur is out as well. There will be no testimony about MRIs or schizophrenia

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis
Judge is also letting prosecution expert see the most recent competency evaluation of #PhilipChism

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis
Defense has objected to the prosecution expert having that report even as they use it in their defense of #PhilipChism

Court over for the day. Will be back with the jury tomorrow at 9:00am EST.

 

[kimi_SFC]

From jacct's post #178 (page 12):

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Jackson prescribed #PhilipChism anti psychotic medication to help organize his thinking.

and

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 24s24 seconds ago
He was put on Risperdal, an anti-psychosis. Everyone noticed a difference, including #PhilipChism. He asked for a second dose.

From jacct's post #182 (this page):

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
DA: #PhilipChism chose to skip his meds last day in hospital?Dr. Jackson yes.

If I was on this jury, the fact that PC chose not to take medication that clearly helped him would go into my "not insane" column.
MOO

Thank you again, jacct, for posting the tweets of this trial.
God bless Colleen Ritzer and all who love her.

Thank you for pulling this post coastal, and jacct, your incredible efforts on Ms. Ritzer's thread are BEYOND appreciated!!!

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[katydid23]

OMG---if the jury lets this perp off easy I will have a stroke. There is video clearly showing him following her into the restroom and slaughtering her. What more do we need? Who cares how big his brain volume is? He needs to be locked away, end of story. :jail:

 

[trixandhoney]

Thank you for pulling this post coastal, and jacct, your incredible efforts on Ms. Ritzer's thread are BEYOND appreciated!!!

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Seriously, Jacct, you are awesome!!!