MA - Conrad Roy, 18, urged by friend, commits suicide, Fairhaven, 13 July 2014

[Nonnie]

After reading all the texting back and forth , I've come to the conclusion that the reason she can rightfully be called evil is

because it appears she wanted him to die more than he did.

 

[believe09]

I think the "Carter was brainwashed" defense is the beginning of a crack. Her attorney is trying to present her as vulnerable to something-I am sure she is vulnerable to many things. She craves limelight and attention. Her close friends describe instability in her personality. Wonder if the atty will eventually recuse himself or if he is an old family friend?

 

[believe09]

I was going back through some of the old media and found this:

Carter's mother, Gail, also told Lynn Roy that her daughter had sought counseling over the situation and that she learned her daughter continued to text her son's cellphone. Police learned in September that Carter had texted Conrad's cellphone 71 times after his death.

Link here

I think there are all kinds of ways you could look at that kind of obsession.

 

[Steleheart]

I think the "Carter was brainwashed" defense is the beginning of a crack. Her attorney is trying to present her as vulnerable to something-I am sure she is vulnerable to many things. She craves limelight and attention. Her close friends describe instability in her personality. Wonder if the atty will eventually recuse himself or if he is an old family friend?

Unless something from that hearing went unreported the "Carter was brainwashed" defense was out of left field. Brainwashed by whom? Conrad? not bloody likely. Brainwashing refers to a purposeful, coordinated, targeted, systematic attempt to corrupt the thoughts and feeling of people for a specific purpose. If the defense is going to argue that her relationship with Conrad was a brainwashing due to his constant talk of suicide he will have to show that Conrad intended to have that effect on her. At best their relationship confused and frustrated her. Of course.

MOO

 

[Steleheart]

I was going back through some of the old media and found this:



Link here

I think there are all kinds of ways you could look at that kind of obsession.

Good find - I never saw that information about the texting after he died. I would love to see those 71 posthumous texts as well as the damaging ones we saw from the prosecution. I am sure the defense will be using those to show her mental state.

I do see evidence of OCD - even sticking with the relationship. She gets a focus whether positive or negative and continues.. Her relationship with him and seeing him through to death was her control over that obsession. The fund raiser was another - with a positive result.

OCD, depression, anxiety and borderline personality disorder are likely but nothing more serious that would excuse her from assisting (coordinating) a suicide. IMO

I AM NOT A PSYCHOLOGIST. Just my uneducated opinion. Not only that, no one can diagnose from afar with no contact, so MOO.

I don't know what direction the defense is trying to go but his 1st amendment and brainwashing arguments are just as lame as involuntary manslaughter, IMO.

Assisted suicide laws in the MA General Laws only pertain to Physician Assisted Suicide and I can't find a law regarding a lay person assisting a suicide, so I think the prosecution had very little choice as to what to charge her with. With that, my opinion is that this case has a very good chance of being dismissed, sadly.

Unfortunately, 2 mentally ill people coordinating on a bad idea may not qualify as a felony. OR this case could be a groundbreaking case that will result in new laws that will catch up to the technology utilized in this case.

Having said that, she is still despicable, evil, egocentric, narcissistic, etc. and her family nurtures those defects in her IMO.

:cow:

 

[believe09]

Unfortunately, 2 mentally ill people coordinating on a bad idea may not qualify as a felony. OR this case could be a groundbreaking case that will result in new laws that will catch up to the technology utilized in this case.

This is my vote, Steleheart.

 

[believe09]

Someone was looking for the explanation of the brainwashing defense-Carter claims she was brainwashed by Conrad. It is the mirror of the prosecution argument, which imvho shows how effective the DA's position is. Suddenly, many months after she was indicted, she was brainwashed by Conrad.

This is why I think we are going to see a mental defect defense and an attempt at a plea bargain in the next few months. It will be couched under the idea that everyone can get on with their lives without dwelling on this "unfortunate" incident. She will get the treatment she needs without having to take complete legal responsibility for his death.

This is my belief, but I am frequently very wrong.

 

[believe09]

I hope the DA pushes forward because I think we need to address this issue.

 

[observation]

http://fox6now.com/2015/08/30/his-d...an-encouraged-boyfriend-to-take-his-own-life/

Per above link, her next hearing is October 2, 2015. If found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, she could be looking at 20 years.
I could only hope so based on what we have seen through the indictments.
MOO


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[Stratford258]

Here is the FOIA on the text messages. This is one of the worst documents I have ever read in my life....I would say that any doubts should be stripped away after you complete your review:

TEXT MESSAGES

This document is extremely triggering. I sincerely hope that no one who is actively suicidal will ever read this.

Rest in peace, Conrad! I pray for his family members.

This young woman is morally bankrupt and very sick. Her words could be taken as wanton disregard. I do wonder, however, whether she will found legally culpable.

 

[DexterMorgan]

This document is extremely triggering. I sincerely hope that no one who is actively suicidal will ever read this.

Rest in peace, Conrad! I pray for his family members.

This young woman is morally bankrupt and very sick. Her words could be taken as wanton disregard. I do wonder, however, whether she will found legally culpable.

Okay. I just read the doc. And it basically shows that she forced him to do it. She was very relentless in making sure that he took his own life.

She even told him that his family will basically get over it and accept it as well. Whoa. This broad is beyond ruthless.

Jmo. Thanks for the docs folks.

 

[erinleecarr]

Has anyone been able to find a archived version of Michelle's facebook? She changed the privacy settings so that no one can see it anymore. I heard that her mom was posting pictures for her on facebook of her trip to Disney World?? (The court ordered that she not use the internet for anything other then schoolwork.)

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'm completely blown away after reading that document. I'd always imagined that he was always talking about suicide and when he got out of the truck she frustratingly said get back in. After reading through the texts, she is the one who repeatedly brought it up, told him how to do it, when to do it, how to do it and would not let up until he did it. If there wasn't evidence before their communication of him having mental illness & being suicidal, I'd have thought she was behind the whole thing. He wanted to talk about the day, she wanted to talk about how to kill him. Sickening. She didn't just help him, she all but pulled the trigger.

She clearly wanted attention & sympathy from his suicide.

I am still in shock over the texts.

 

[KaaBoom]

Has anyone been able to find a archived version of Michelle's facebook? She changed the privacy settings so that no one can see it anymore. I heard that her mom was posting pictures for her on facebook of her trip to Disney World?? (The court ordered that she not use the internet for anything other then schoolwork.)

Yes, she did.

Family of teen coaxed into suicide outraged by social media posts

 

[mrsward]

This girl is clearly in need of help herself .

I have attempted to take my own life , luckily (though I didn't think so at the time ) my friends and family had me sectioned ,

If I had received any text.. Or verbally tempting me to push myself to do it , I would have without hesitation done so ,
Depression gives you an overwhelming sense of loneliness even in a room full of people ,

And since you feel extremely lonely , anxious , one wrong word from someone could seriously tip you over the edge

I absolutely would have gone ahead and done it if a "loved one" told me to do so , u need reassurance that your not worthless, there's people who care , and those people will be there for you when u need them,

I cannot ever imagine my loved ones to helping me through bad times by killing myself ,

Imo she's a truly twisted girl who seriously needs help.

 

[mrsward]

Him : I'm sorry
Her : for what
Him : just doing this and everything,like I just had one life and I'm blowing it

ME (this is a clear cry for help right there, , at this point I firmily believe that the right response would have had a different outcome for this boy's life IMO )

Her : don't be sorry , you are my beautiful guardian angel forever and ever I'll always be smiling up at you knowing that you aren't far away)

ME : at this point he is already dead to her , there is not one ounce of sympathy or love for this young man , IMO

 

[iamnotagolem]

If I were on the jury the thing that would push me off the fence is her text saying that if police read her texts she'd go to jail. That tells me she not only knows right from wrong but knew that she knew that she alone was responsible for Conrad being dead. She is the reason he is no longer alive.

 

[SweetT]

I hope she is found guilty of murder as an adult and gets life in jail. I have a teen son and if some girl did this to him...not good. I cant stand to even look at that girl, sorry excuse of a human. She had a chance to help someone and chose to ruin their chances at getting some real help or even to talk with his parents . No love from her at all, so sad. IMO She is already dead.

 

[LvsAMystry]

The thing that got to me, well one of the very many things, is how they texted about his not following through on the plans and his saying he didn't know why. At that point a normal person would have said because it's not what you want so don't do it just try to get more help because you DON'T want to do this. Instead, she calmly told him to stop overthinking and just do it and the pushed and pushed and pushed getting annoyed every time he said maybe later telling him no NOW

 

[believe09]

((mrsward)) I am grateful you are here and found a way to stay with the people who love you. The series of texts about his family being OK with his suicide, the ones that imply his family is passively encouraging him to do it...words fail for me.

I am watching this explode on social media-there is no way she is not in the thick of it. She needs the rush of the attention.