MA - Conrad Roy, 18, urged by friend, commits suicide, Fairhaven, 13 July 2014

[Lilibet]

Well I can see that, but speaking of sex offenders there needs to be a robbery and murderer registry as well. Why do we insist that the perverts register but not the killers and burglars? Are killers so much more acceptable than pervs?

:cow:

I think that's a great idea! Of course, the first person to be killed doesn't get any warning. I'm thinking of Travis Alexander. He was Jodi Arias' first as far as we know. What I'd like to see is some kind of education about abusers, psychopaths/sociopaths...what to look for and what to do. Even with that, all these crimes can't be prevented IMO.

 

[Lilibet]

Don't let Michelle fool you. She is the angel of death. I hope she never has kids.

She hasn't fooled anyone here! If she ever has kids, she will make them sick, blog and tweet about it, get sympathy and raise money. No Munchausens by Proxy...just evil medical torture.
JMO

 

[believe09]

"Judge Foley told prosecutors at the brief court session to go ahead with their plans to subpoena Twitter for any information related to the case and to then come back to court."
"Flynn said the DA's office is subpoenaing Twitter to obtain the "IP address" of the new Twitter page and then will seek a search warrant to find the location of the IP address."


IMO they should have subpoenaed and gotten search warrants ahead of time. It's not that hard. It's harder to shoot yourself in the foot this way. They had probable cause just by the similarity to search her electronics and get an affidavit for Twitter.

IMO the DA is gonna screw this up.

Respectfully, I am not sure I agree with this. Not only was it kind of a blitz attack of her, they succeeded in receiving a subpoena signed by the judge who is trying the case. I think the judge should have required her to be questioned under oath, but a subpoena signed by him is the next best thing imo. It also puts her and her defense team on notice that the DA is watching and they will bring her in for every little thing. As they should, although it isnt customary. This is a case about a headgame and I kind of think a headgame is being played.

 

[Dogface]

If that Twitter is hers, and I am 75/25 on if it is or not, that would be a testament to the fact she doesn't take what is happening or what she has done seriously at all. One would think if it was a troll account that they would have more troll stuff posted. Not just random tweets of thoughts and retweets of support.

I wonder two things:
1. How long it will take them to find out?
2. Will she be jailed if it is hers?

 

[Steleheart]

If that Twitter is hers, and I am 75/25 on if it is or not, that would be a testament to the fact she doesn't take what is happening or what she has done seriously at all. One would think if it was a troll account that they would have more troll stuff posted. Not just random tweets of thoughts and retweets of support.

I wonder two things:
1. How long it will take them to find out?
2. Will she be jailed if it is hers?

IMO if it is hers it is likely in her mother's name and she only has to have her mother post things. I have no doubt that her mother would be willing to do that. Further evidence that her ambiguity is partly due to her background rather than simply her own dark personality.

Perhaps she was "brainwashed" by her mother, LOL

MOO

 

[Leomoon80]

After reading some of the posts she wrote, especially the ones she wrote to his 13 yr old sister, she sounds to me like one of those criminals who get kicks out of seeing others suffer. Then basks in the limelight of the glow of having been part of it.

Having said this, I'd be surprised if anyone convicts her for anything other then stupidity, because I don't think they try people for sadistic tendencies.

 

[LemonCloud]

Have Michelle's parents read the entire exchange between herself and Conrad in their entirety? Do they not see there is a serious problem here? Are they completely oblivious? Never mind the law, if it were my daughter she'd have to deal with ME first!

 

[HMSHood]

I've been following but haven't commented since early on in the thread.

IMHO IMO ONLY this chick is Tammy Moorer as a teen. I see many comparisons to Jodi Arias, but I see Tammy. She has blood on her hands no matter what the eventual legal outcome. If she goes free, I will bet all of you $50.00 she will be back in the news in the future as a poor, widowed victim after her wealthy husband dies unexpectedly/the pool boy did it.

JMO JMO JMO

Tammy Moorer killed Heather Elvis. She is really something. :crazy:

I always thought Jodi Arias was driven by revenge like Lori Drew, Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, or Vester Flanagan. Drew drove Megan Meier to suicide, which was over a falling out with her daughter, Sarah. Not like Michelle Carter, which I do not see revenge as much of a driver here. Of course that could change.

Than again, Carter and Arias share common psychology. They are deceptive and psychopathic mixed with extreme narcissism. That could be said of Drew as well.

 

[HMSHood]

Well I can see that, but speaking of sex offenders there needs to be a robbery and murderer registry as well. Why do we insist that the perverts register but not the killers and burglars? Are killers so much more acceptable than pervs?

:cow:

How about putting them into the ground. :laughing: :great:

 

[cocomod]

On front page of MSN today.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...ith-encouraging-her-boyfriend-to-kill-himself

Prosecutors have charged Carter with involuntary manslaughter in Roy's 2014 death. They say that in the week before Roy killed himself, Carter assisted by urging him to overcome his doubts about taking his own life, pressuring him to do it and even telling him to get back in his truck after becoming frightened that the plan was working.

Carter's lawyer has strenuously denied that she pushed him to kill himself and has asked a judge to dismiss the case.

I hope that the prosecutor can charge her with something. I do think that manslaughter is a reach. It bothers me immensely that she feels like she did "nothing wrong" at all. She has NO conscience!

 

[iamnotagolem]

On front page of MSN today.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...ith-encouraging-her-boyfriend-to-kill-himself



I hope that the prosecutor can charge her with something. I do think that manslaughter is a reach. It bothers me immensely that she feels like she did "nothing wrong" at all. She has NO conscience!

I disagree completely. She knew what she was doing, she knew she was solely responsible for his death and knew she would go to jail if her texts were ever discovered. She probably enjoys posting on SM knowing that her name will hit the news and she'll get even more attention, probably getting high fives from her ignorant classmates who fail to understand that she killed someone.

She probably is well aware that her parents will cover for her, that people will excuse her because she's "cute", and that what she did and is doing is wrong.

I don't imagine Conrad will be her last victim.

 

[Lilibet]

On front page of MSN today.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...ith-encouraging-her-boyfriend-to-kill-himself



I hope that the prosecutor can charge her with something. I do think that manslaughter is a reach. It bothers me immensely that she feels like she did "nothing wrong" at all. She has NO conscience!

BBM

I thought so to. But when I read the indictment linked earlier, they made a very solid case for the manslaughter charge IMO. They covered every possible objection by referencing precedent cases. They even explained why she didn't have to actually be present with him at his death to be guilty of manslaughter. It's a fascinating presentation. I hope this goes to trial and I hope she is convicted and imprisoned or put away somewhere for a long time. I agree that she has NO conscience.

JMO

 

[borndem]

Strangers telling you to do it is one thing. But a friend that tells you to get back in there and kill yourself is unbelievable. I hope she gets prison time for this. I know his family wants to strangle her right about now. I know I do.

Just now hearing about this one -- unbelievable. Is there such a thing as Munchausen Suicide by Proxy? Or something like that? Sorry this post from the first page is "interrupting" the current discussion, but I couldn't help but post something. And I agree -- she does need to serve some time for this, IMHO. Good grief. She does seem to be basking in a bit of attention as the one for whom to feel sorry -- thus my Munchausen reference. I guess she did love him but how could this have been loving him? After I catch up, I may want to revise some of this post!!

Dayam.

 

[Steleheart]

A stranger under the bridge yelling JUMP and a friend under the bridge texting JUMP - IMO those are 2 different things.

 

[Lilibet]

A stranger under the bridge yelling JUMP and a friend under the bridge texting JUMP - IMO those are 2 different things.

If what you are saying is that the texting friend is more culpable than the yelling stranger (and I think you are), I agree. Friends have much more influence than strangers, regardless of how the message is delivered. When I text with friends, it's like a conversation, almost as much as being on the phone or in person, because it's two way and immediate. That's how it was with Michelle and Conrad. She was a friend/love interest and used her position and technology to persuade him to kill himself. Evil. No defense possible.
JMO

 

[borndem]

It's funny how when a person gets caught with drugs the DA will charge you with 20 different offenses for the same crime just to make something stick; But in this case it seems that they are going for a one charge wonder. Plus since she looks like the all american teen; I wouldnt be surprised if some old grandfatherly judge vacates a guilty verdict and let her skate with a warning. Maybe the case needs to be moved in order to have a impartial judge and jury. Btw: I am sure Dr. Phil and her are emailing each other back and forth to set a date for the interview. Lol.

Certainly she needs to be incarcerated for at least manslaughter -- is there a law in MA for assisting a suicide? (Again, I'm still catching up on this case here in WS, so I may be saying/asking things that others already have. Please excuse.)

I would like to know more about Carter -- what makes her tick? (Please know that I'm not looking for excuses, etc., I just can't really understand why someone would be so cruel.)

 

[Lilibet]

Certainly she needs to be incarcerated for at least manslaughter -- is there a law in MA for assisting a suicide? (Again, I'm still catching up on this case here in WS, so I may be saying/asking things that others already have. Please excuse.)

I would like to know more about Carter -- what makes her tick? (Please know that I'm not looking for excuses, etc., I just can't really understand why someone would be so cruel.)

I think they went with manslaughter because there is no law in MA against assisting suicide. I'm pressed for time, so I hope someone can link or you can google. We do know that Carter had spent time at a mental health institution, but we don't know why. It was mentioned earlier. Yes, it would be interesting to know more about her. But as we found with Jodi Arias and others, it doesn't help explain why. Those of us who are "normal" could never understand the thinking of a psycho/sociopath, if that's what she is. JMO

 

[HMSHood]

I think they went with manslaughter because there is no law in MA against assisting suicide. I'm pressed for time, so I hope someone can link or you can google. We do know that Carter had spent time at a mental health institution, but we don't know why. It was mentioned earlier. Yes, it would be interesting to know more about her. But as we found with Jodi Arias and others, it doesn't help explain why. Those of us who are "normal" could never understand the thinking of a psycho/sociopath, if that's what she is. JMO

Psychology is a piece of the puzzle. Jodi Arias is a narcissistic psychopath like Casey Anthony, Lori Drew, or Jerry Sandusky.

Jodi, Joran and Casey: On the Psychology of Evil
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/201305/jodi-joran-and-casey-the-psychology-evil

There are differences between Carter, Arias, Anthony, and Drew. Arias and Drew are mainly driven by grudges that they harbor for decades. Anthony is likely a grudge holder, while it is not known about Carter. Drew and Arias's view of the world are more like how Elliot Rodger or Charles Whitman view the world, a cruel world.

 

[believe09]

Link Here

This is similar to the Us News piece quoted already but a few things stood out to me:

About a month before his suicide, she suggested that he seek treatment at a psychiatric hospital where she was receiving treatment for a condition Cataldo would not disclose.

We know from other media the hospital is McLean. I suspect there will be a lot hinging on what she was being treated for...it may be why the prosecution feels they have a strong case and can point to her as a danger to society.

But the texts were not sent by a school bully. They were from a 17-year-old girl to her boyfriend, whom she called the love of her life.

I dont think this has been established. They hadnt even seen each other in the year before he died. jmo.

 

[Lilibet]

Her lawyer seems to have missed all the texts in which she coaches him about getting a generator, tells him to research, nags him about it, tells him when and where and how to do it, tells him to get back into the truck, etc. He may have been the one to physically do all these things, but she was the coach and cheerleader all rolled into one. That's not free speech. That's evil speech. JMO

Carter's lawyer, Joseph Cataldo, said her texts amount to speech protected by the First Amendment. He said it's clear from the exchanges that Roy had made up his mind to take his own life and Carter, now 18, did not cause his death.

"He got the generator, he devised the plan and he had to go find a spot. He parked, he had to get the gas for the generator, he had to turn the generator on, he had to sit in that car for a long period of time. He caused his own death," Cataldo said.

http://m.wcvb.com/news/prosecutors-must-prove-text-messages-led-to-suicide/35174468