MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #18

[SierraShadow2139125]

Yes for the retrial. However it goes to the appellant court, a panel of three judges will rule - or could send it back to the lower court .

Appellate.

 

[SierraShadow2139125]

So so with you! It was the arm wounds that made me do a multi -druple take when I first came across this case. At that time, early days of trial testimony, my non-professional opinion was what the actual heck if those were caused by a vehicle. That looks like a goddam animal attack. Horrific.

I was eagerly waiting for ME testimony and it was unbelievable to me that when it finally came, all Lally elicited from her amounted to a shrug of the shoulders imo. A sort of 'who knows'. Her demonstrated lack of curiosity was stunning to me. No swabs? No medical research independent of LE opinions?

Then along comes all that evidence and testimony. UNCONTESTED by the CW, testimony from expert witnesses that the CW and the ME were unable to answer for. Moo. As defense attorney Alan Jackson said in closing regarding the entire CW case, what was being asked of the jurors by the cw was to "look the other way".

From the get go this is what LE investigators, the office of the ME and the prosecutors office have been doing with those arm injuries.IMO

Look the other way, heads in sand like an ostrich. Continues into the present. Imo FBI are still investigating this case and it's never going to make it back to trial for take 2. Something is going to give before that can happen Moo

Completely agree. A vehicle doing a K-turn in a snow storm isn’t going fast enough to cause any of that damage. This is a sad situation.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Completely agree. A vehicle doing a K-turn in a snow storm isn’t going fast enough to cause any of that damage. This is a sad situation.

Her vehicle had no damage beyond the cracked taillight from her hitting John's car that morning.

The damage to his body was limited to his head, with the fatal injury being small but deep wound to the back of his head, and a number of arm lacerations all going in a similar direction.

When you consider these two facts in conjunction with each other, basic physics tells us there is no way he was killed by her car. The state couldn't come up with a plausible scenario during the first trial. And I can't see them doing any better if there is a second trial.

 

[cocomod]

Her vehicle had no damage beyond the cracked taillight from her hitting John's car that morning.

The damage to his body was limited to his head, with the fatal injury being small but deep wound to the back of his head, and a number of arm lacerations all going in a similar direction.

When you consider these two facts in conjunction with each other, basic physics tells us there is no way he was killed by her car. The state couldn't come up with a plausible scenario during the first trial. And I can't see them doing any better if there is a second trial.

Preach it so the ones in the back can hear!! Better yet, preach it so that the judge and the prosecution can hear! Wait, they heard and ignored... Still can't comprehend them actually saying they are taking this back to court!

 

[TIGER0822]

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Appellate.

thenks For correction

 

[louvillian08]

The only case I've ever followed with zero ring camera footage-- from a block of LE residents. Nothing to see here....

Oh but there was! From the Deputy chief of the Canton PD, if I'm remembering correctly, who lived across the street. He viewed the footage and claimed there was nothing of evidentiary value so he deleted it... lol

 

[HarmonyE.]

Oh but there was! From the Deputy chief of the Canton PD, if I'm remembering correctly, who lived across the street. He viewed the footage and claimed there was nothing of evidentiary value so he deleted it... lol

It's impossible for me to even imagine the number of cameras Read would have passed on her approximately 2.5 mile journey from Fairview to Meadows. All the businesses with CCTV and upper middle class residences with Ring and other cameras.

The police showed no interest in any canvassing for video and from testimony at trial, it seems the library footage may have been tampered with. If their version of events is true, you think they'd want video to show the damaged condition of Read's taillight BEFORE she struck John's car the next morning. Nope. Curiously, completely incurious.

 

[Seattle1]

Just another normal day in LE...??

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848479975978000519

 

[jepop]

Completely agree. A vehicle doing a K-turn in a snow storm isn’t going fast enough to cause any of that damage. This is a sad situation.

Yes that's such an important point to understanding what has gone down here. Moo

And adding more detail to my original point re ignoring arm wounds; even before LE began trying to twist their accident recon to fit a highly improbable scenario, investigators had, within a day of JOK's death, shut down all other what should have been legitimate lines of enquiry. With the ME following suit in terms of choices made whilst investigating Manner of death. Moo but trial evidence revealed vast flaws in the investigation.

Imo there was PC a-plenty at the time JOk was killed for a competent and impartial LE, and a properly independent and impartial ME, to investigate the possibility of dog scratches and / or teeth as cause of wounds on JOK',s right arm. But from the get go the testimony at trial points to both the ME and lead investigators ignoring that line of enquiry. Moo

Instant tunnel vision lasered on KR much? In one if his unprofessional text messages tendered at trial to his inner circle of buddies; when the buddy suggested that the homeowner must be feeling the heat ( or something similar,), seeing as how a Boston police officer was found dead on his property, Proctor's response was short and sweet (paraphrase) 'Nah, he,'s a Boston cop too' ( have forgotten the exact wording). Brian Albert, Boston Cop ( or lately retired? My memory fails me), and owner of ex police dog Chloe, the German Shepherd.

 

[louvillian08]

It's impossible for me to even imagine the number of cameras Read would have passed on her approximately 2.5 mile journey from Fairview to Meadows. All the businesses with CCTV and upper middle class residences with Ring and other cameras.

The police showed no interest in any canvassing for video and from testimony at trial, it seems the library footage may have been tampered with. If their version of events is true, you think they'd want video to show the damaged condition of Read's taillight BEFORE she struck John's car the next morning. Nope. Curiously, completely incurious.

Think about what a train wreck the trial was... Even if all the neighbor's camera showed was KR arriving, even that would have been huge in nailing down the timeline, corroborating witness statements, etc.

Seems like that camera would have captured footage of the SERT team searches, comings and goings at the scene, etc. but LE had no interest in that either...

 

[Seattle1]

This is quick! Per the quoted link, according to a schedule published by the SJC, the prosecution will be given until Oct. 16 to file its brief, and Read's attorneys will have until Oct. 25 to file a reply.

It appears the parties are on schedule -- KR's defense filed their reply today:

Karen Read's defense pushes to get charges dropped in her murder case

Attorneys for Karen Read filed a motion in an attempt to bolster arguments that two of her charges in the death of John O'Keefe be dismissed.

www.courttv.com

Their brief was in response to one filed by prosecutors earlier this month to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, arguing against dropping the charges of second-degree murder and leaving the scene — leaving only a manslaughter charge.

Read is accused of ramming into John O’Keefe with her SUV and leaving him to die in a snowstorm in January 2022. Read’s attorneys argue she is being framed and that other law enforcement officers are responsible for O’Keefe’s death. A judge declared a mistrial in June after finding that jurors couldn’t reach an agreement. A retrial on the same charges is set to begin in January.

The defense brief argues that trying Read again on charges of second-degree murder and leaving the scene would be unconstitutional double jeopardy.

 

[Derph]

New Vanity Fair article on the case! There's some interesting things in it.

Karen Read Tells Her Story (Part 1): A Murder Trial in Massachusetts

After John O’Keefe was found, near death, in the snowy front yard of a fellow Boston cop, his girlfriend was arrested. As Karen Read’s second murder trial looms, she’s ready to talk about what she says really happened.

www.vanityfair.com

 

[louvillian08]

New Vanity Fair article on the case! There's some interesting things in it.

Karen Read Tells Her Story (Part 1): A Murder Trial in Massachusetts

After John O’Keefe was found, near death, in the snowy front yard of a fellow Boston cop, his girlfriend was arrested. As Karen Read’s second murder trial looms, she’s ready to talk about what she says really happened.

www.vanityfair.com

There's a video with the author on Vanity Fair's IG account where she reveals she hired her own independent forensic computer expert who looked at the phone data reports from both the prosecution and the defense. This independent expert concluded the infamous google search did happen at 2:27am

 

[TIGER0822]

There's a video with the author on Vanity Fair's IG account where she reveals she hired her own independent forensic computer expert who looked at the phone data reports from both the prosecution and the defense. This independent expert concluded the infamous google search did happen at 2:27am

I never believed the prosecutions tab time theory.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Paul O'Keefe's civil suit against Read and the two bars is stayed until after her criminal case is adjudicated. As it should be.

“The prejudice to Read from having to choose between defending this wrongful death action and protecting herself from providing evidence that might be used against her in the criminal retrial outweighs the Estate’s interest in the expeditious resolution of the wrongful death case.”

Judge allows Karen Read to delay deposition in civil wrongful death case until after criminal retrial - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News

PLYMOUTH, MASS. (WHDH) - Karen Read’s motion to stay a civil trial against her was partially granted Friday and she will not face deposition until<a class="excerpt-read-more" href="https://whdh.com/news/karen-read-civil-trial-stayed-pending-resolution-of-criminal-trial/">Read More</a>

whdh.com

 

[calo44]

Paul O'Keefe's civil suit against Read and the two bars is stayed until after her criminal case is adjudicated. As it should be.

“The prejudice to Read from having to choose between defending this wrongful death action and protecting herself from providing evidence that might be used against her in the criminal retrial outweighs the Estate’s interest in the expeditious resolution of the wrongful death case.”

Judge allows Karen Read to delay deposition in civil wrongful death case until after criminal retrial - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News

PLYMOUTH, MASS. (WHDH) - Karen Read’s motion to stay a civil trial against her was partially granted Friday and she will not face deposition until<a class="excerpt-read-more" href="https://whdh.com/news/karen-read-civil-trial-stayed-pending-resolution-of-criminal-trial/">Read More</a>

whdh.com

This is such great news for Karen and her team. Does anyone know the timeline as to when she can begin collecting (cell phone) data and deposing witnesses for her civil case. Do we think this will start ASAP as it may uncover something she could use in her criminal case?

 

[Seattle1]

This is such great news for Karen and her team. Does anyone know the timeline as to when she can begin collecting (cell phone) data and deposing witnesses for her civil case. Do we think this will start ASAP as it may uncover something she could use in her criminal case?

Has the Stay Order been published?

Generally, when a civil case is "stayed," a defendant cannot take depositions from witnesses unless the court specifically allows it in the stay order. Also, most jurisdictions consider discovery to be largely suspended during a stay, meaning no depositions can be taken without explicit permission from the judge. JMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

This is such great news for Karen and her team. Does anyone know the timeline as to when she can begin collecting (cell phone) data and deposing witnesses for her civil case. Do we think this will start ASAP as it may uncover something she could use in her criminal case?

Karen is likely being defended by her auto insurance carrier as the allegations in the complaint are that she hit JO with her car causing his wrongful death. As long as she cooperates with her carrier, they'll pay for her defense and any judgement up to her policy limit.

She will have no control over this defense. She does have the option of refusing the carrier's coverage and their defense, and hiring her own civil defense attorney but given her current financial situation as reported in Vanity Fair, I don't think this would be a possibility.

As the case itself won't go forward until after her criminal trial, her auto carrier will almost certainly have little to no interest in assisting with her criminal case. They'll be getting info from the criminal case, not the other way around.

 

[Derph]

Here is Part 2 of Vanity Fair's piece on the Read Trial. It got me angry all over again. There are just waaay too many coincidences with the botched investigation, the courtroom antics, the ties between ALL the players at all levels of the justice system, and about 100 other things to just ignore them. It's a frame job and I'm glad the whole fiasco is being questioned on a national level. This is a pretty thorough piece. Vanity Fair has always done a pretty good job on their crime reporting. Going back to Dominic Dunne's reporting of the OJ trial way back when, they've always done a solid job.

Karen Read Tells Her Story (Part 2): A New Trial Looms in Massachusetts

As new details emerge about the Alberts’ German Shepherd, the ACLU joins Read’s request to drop the murder charge, and Judge Beverly Cannone prepares for the January retrial.

www.vanityfair.com

 

[cocomod]

Here is Part 2 of Vanity Fair's piece on the Read Trial. It got me angry all over again. There are just waaay too many coincidences with the botched investigation, the courtroom antics, the ties between ALL the players at all levels of the justice system, and about 100 other things to just ignore them. It's a frame job and I'm glad the whole fiasco is being questioned on a national level. This is a pretty thorough piece. Vanity Fair has always done a pretty good job on their crime reporting. Going back to Dominic Dunne's reporting of the OJ trial way back when, they've always done a solid job.

Karen Read Tells Her Story (Part 2): A New Trial Looms in Massachusetts

As new details emerge about the Alberts’ German Shepherd, the ACLU joins Read’s request to drop the murder charge, and Judge Beverly Cannone prepares for the January retrial.

www.vanityfair.com

Agreed!! The releasing of the jurors that were sympathetic to the defense information was jarring too. As well as reminding me that the judge chose the jury foreman. What was new to me was that the foreman told the other jurors that they couldn't tell the judge that they were unanimous on 2 of the 3 counts.

In an interview with Turtleboy, a sixth juror alleged that two jurors wanted to contact Cannone during deliberations, alerting her that they were unanimous on counts one and three. That juror claimed the foreman—the only person who can contact the judge, and who is selected by the judge—said they needed to be unanimous on all counts. “We believed that he knew what he was talking about,” the juror told Kearney in an interview. “I don’t know if it would’ve changed things if we had asked the question about consensus on two of the counts.”