MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #18

[angkg]

I am not buying that he was hit by a car that far off of the road with no tire tracks in the lawn and no bruises on his body.

 

[Teche]

If he was knocked down and ended up under or partially under the vehicle, I have two questions:
1. Why did he not have any road rash?
2. How did he end up in the yard?

Could JOK have been bumped, not seriously injured, crawled or stumbled, and died due to the length of time in the snow?
Personal experience: during my teen years I was hit by a car traveling about 20 mph. I broke my leg and had a cut on my forehead caused by the antenna. The break was severe enough that it required surgery and screws. Although, I was extremely sore the only noticeable bruising to my skin was on my forehead.

 

[angkg]

Could JOK have been bumped, not seriously injured, crawled or stumbled, and died due to the length of time in the snow?
Personal experience: during my teen years I was hit by a car traveling about 20 mph. I broke my leg and had a cut on my forehead caused by the antenna. The break was severe enough that it required surgery and screws. Although, I was extremely sore the only noticeable bruising to my skin was on my forehead.

Not even the CW medical experts think this is possible. So, the short answer is no

 

[Linda7NJ]

Could JOK have been bumped, not seriously injured, crawled or stumbled, and died due to the length of time in the snow?
Personal experience: during my teen years I was hit by a car traveling about 20 mph. I broke my leg and had a cut on my forehead caused by the antenna. The break was severe enough that it required surgery and screws. Although, I was extremely sore the only noticeable bruising to my skin was on my forehead.

I’ve seen a guy get swiped by a car, fly about 10 feet, get up, run and drop. Dead. From a head injury.
I was a witness in the civil case.
Maybe John did the same.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Of course not.

Sorry, but it is unreasonable to assume that all witnesses at 34 fairview are automatically telling the truth, especially given documented corruption in Canton PD. You ignore the fact that there are TONS of cases nationwide where police (and those closely connected to them) have historically lied to protect themselves or their colleagues. Even if some witnesses that were at 34 Fairview aren’t officers themselves, they had direct relationships with police through family, friendships, or romantic relationships. This creates a strong incentive to protect each other. Especially if something happened in the house that night.

I find it shocking that you are so willing to trust the word of those in the house. History is full of examples where police and their associates have lied to cover far more minor issues. In my hometown, officers and those close to them actively covered the habitual abuse of local prostitutes by LE. This is a minor issue in comparison to a death, and yet, friends, family, and even WIVES lied to protect themselves officers.

In short, it’s simply naive to blindly trust that the witnesses are all telling the truth, especially when we consider the 47 early morning ‘butt dials’ and other inconsistencies. The reality is that law enforcement and their friends/family/significant others have lied to protect in every single state and jurisdiction. Canton PD is a notoriously corrupt jurisdiction. Why would you assume perfect honesty?

All MOO.

 

[jepop]

Chain of custody for one or two items in a case is a slight issue. This case, there is NO chain of custody for ANY items! Most importantly, the main items! A lot of these items should be discounted for that very reason.



The google search was made at 2:30 a.m. I believe that science.



The defense doesn’t even need to set out on the conspiracy theory. Honestly, they win this case on lack of evidence alone. The “witnesses” lied – under oath, the “witnesses” threw away phones, the “witnesses” stories don’t make sense.



Michael Proctor lost his job because he was unprofessional and a drunk. He also was friends with people at the party. He had a conflict of interest and should have never been the lead investigator. I say that his handling of the evidence proves that at the very least he tried very hard to make sure she was convicted. He was in possession of the inverted video, and the most recent video released. Why? Why didn’t he turn it over prior? He had possession of the shirts for 2 months! It doesn’t take that long to dry out. Also, he was friends with Kevin Albert. They went drinking together and that is one of the reasons he was fired. I don’t think you can honestly say he was not friends with the Alberts. Also, why was he offered a present “once all of this is over” if he wasn’t friends with them?



Kare was drunk that night along with everyone else. Her memory of that night is likely very impaired due to that fact alone. The “truth” from Jen McCabe changed ON THE STAND and she didn’t face in consequences. Unfortunately, they all should be ashamed of themselves for that night. Butt dialing??? Not at that level – no way do I believe it. Especially now that we have a new video showing Higgins talking on the phone on the night in question. Not a butt dial if you are talking back on the phone.



The taillight pieces were found by a cop that literally said nasty things about KR before the investigation even began. They were found suspiciously by him, not the other how many cops on site??? Doesn’t pass the smell test.



DNA on the taillight was touch DNA. They were dating! Of course his DNA would be found on her vehicle. They never said his blood was found on the taillight which is strange if that taillight somehow punched a very small hole his his jacket and then somehow scratched straight down his arm. No blood on the taillight….



No pictures of where the taillight pieces were found by the person most likely to taint the investigation.



It doesn’t matter if it was the first time they secured a crime scene in the snow. They still should have followed proper protocol. There is NO way they shouldn’t have had evidence bags. That has nothing to do with snow. Using a neighbor’s grocery bag??? Evidence collection exists at every crime scene regardless of weather conditions.



The dog bite / scratch makes way more sense then the taillight scratching in a straightish line down his arm without shredding his jacket. There was no canine DNA found because they didn’t test for any! The hospital flat out admitted as such. They didn’t even check out those scratches. They didn’t test the jacket until years later after a very questionable COC??



The only thing the CW made sure that we knew is that it was snowing that night. We heard over and over and over and over again that it was snowing and KR was drinking. The snow wasn’t as deep as it was later in the day though.



Very, very few clients testify in a very serious murder trial. That doesn’t change my mind about her guilt or innocence in the least.



ARCCA is credible. They wrote their findings BEFORE the defense even knew they were testing the situation. They are the most credible people at trial because they had no skin in the game. If you think they are not credible because they got paid for their time and travel expenses, then I can’t help you. They are a business after all. They were not paid by the defense to conduct the experiments – that is what is important.





Her attorneys are now working free of charge. No money being made from now until the end of trial and the very real appeals.



I am so sad that Office John O’Keefe will never receive true justice because a bunch of drunk cops and a misogynistic arrogant cop didn’t do their jobs and actually truly investigate his death. There is NO excuse – ZERO – for not going in to the house that morning to make sure no one else was harmed. There is NO excuse – ZERO – for not questioning the people in the house about what happened. That very morning. Not later. HE was found on that lawn!



These are just a few of my musings on this case. This is not taking in to account the very real bias shown by the judge either!!!

Great post. Every word makes perfect sense. Thank you!

 

[jepop]

I am not buying that he was hit by a car that far off of the road with no tire tracks in the lawn and no bruises on his body.

Yes, his lack of bruising and the arm injuries aren't congruent with vehicle impact. Jmo

 

[HarmonyE.]

True - not sure why it has to be the dog or the taillight. If KR had backed into JO, knocked him down and subsequently run over him with the rear of the Lexus, is it not possible JO was scratched by the underside of the Lexus if he held his arm up ? Not sure if LE ever tested the undercarriage of the Lexus ?

No one, literally no one, including the Commonwealth is claiming Read "knocked him down and subsequently ran over him". And yes, the undercarriage was inspected by LE - nothing found.

The trial is still on YouTube.

 

[mrjitty]

i wonder how the CW intends to set out their case without the lead investigator.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Sorry, but it is unreasonable to assume that all witnesses at 34 fairview are automatically telling the truth, especially given documented corruption in Canton PD. You ignore the fact that there are TONS of cases nationwide where police (and those closely connected to them) have historically lied to protect themselves or their colleagues. Even if some witnesses that were at 34 Fairview aren’t officers themselves, they had direct relationships with police through family, friendships, or romantic relationships. This creates a strong incentive to protect each other. Especially if something happened in the house that night.

I find it shocking that you are so willing to trust the word of those in the house. History is full of examples where police and their associates have lied to cover far more minor issues. In my hometown, officers and those close to them actively covered the habitual abuse of local prostitutes by LE. This is a minor issue in comparison to a death, and yet, friends, family, and even WIVES lied to protect themselves officers.

In short, it’s simply naive to blindly trust that the witnesses are all telling the truth, especially when we consider the 47 early morning ‘butt dials’ and other inconsistencies. The reality is that law enforcement and their friends/family/significant others have lied to protect in every single state and jurisdiction. Canton PD is a notoriously corrupt jurisdiction. Why would you assume perfect honesty?

All MOO.

And let's not forget in the Birchmore case the Canton PD and the State Police were going to let Police Officer Mathew Farwell get away with murdering a girl he'd been assaulting since she was an underage teen. Until the Feds got involved and pursued their own charges against the officer who now sits in jail awaiting trial.

Not to mention it was the very same State Police phone expert the Commonwealth used in the Read case who just so happened to miss 33,000 text messages between Officer Farwell and his victim. Nope, nothing to see there at all.

These "investigators" must all be viewed with a very critical eye.

 

[cocomod]

And let's not forget in the Birchmore case the Canton PD and the State Police were going to let Police Officer Mathew Farwell get away with murdering a girl he'd been assaulting since she was an underage teen. Until the Feds got involved and pursued their own charges against the officer who now sits in jail awaiting trial.

Not to mention it was the very same State Police phone expert the Commonwealth used in the Read case who just so happened to miss 33,000 text messages between Officer Farwell and his victim. Nope, nothing to see there at all.

These "investigators" must all be viewed with a very critical eye.

Yes!!! Another case where the decision was made that this was a suicide, therefore, no investigation!! So thankful the FBI came in. Yes, there are corrupt LE and there are times that people lie to save themselves. Besides, their "experts' are something else!

 

[Wishbone]

Thanks - accident reconstruction is not an exact science, but I suspect the CW will add a better expert than who was presented at the 1st trial. Since the contention at that trial was the dog did not attack JO and leave marks on his arm (no canine DNA), is it not possible something on the underside of the Lexus caused those marks as JO was perhaps run over ?

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[Wishbone]

True - not sure why it has to be the dog or the taillight. If KR had backed into JO, knocked him down and subsequently run over him with the rear of the Lexus, is it not possible JO was scratched by the underside of the Lexus if he held his arm up ? Not sure if LE ever tested the undercarriage of the Lexus ?

If he was in the undercarriage then how did he end up on the lawn?

 

[HarmonyE.]

If he was in the undercarriage then how did he end up on the lawn?

And not just on the lawn. 12 feet past the curb on the lawn!

 

[HarmonyE.]

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The law firm I work at uses them on complex cases. They are considered absolutely top notch in their field.

I really doubt the prosecution will ever do any better than hapless Trooper Paul. (aka Mr. "It just did"). He couldn't tell a coherent story because the CW doesn't have one. And it's impossible to just manufacture a a believeable tale when you are up against actual physics.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Looks like the CW won the motion for Turtles phone data to prove consciousness of guilt …

 

[Linda7NJ]

I just finished watching Body in the Snow.
Karen Read made the baby hairs stand up and sent a chill down my spine.
That’s one cold, manipulative, narcissistic woman - IMO

 

[Sustained]

No one, literally no one, including the Commonwealth is claiming Read "knocked him down and subsequently ran over him". And yes, the undercarriage was inspected by LE - nothing found.

The trial is still on YouTube.

Never said the CW or the defense claimed Read knocked him down and ran over him. Alternate theories abound on true crime forums. I will watch the entire trial again as I admit, I didn't see all of it 1st time around.

 

[Sustained]

If he was in the undercarriage then how did he end up on the lawn?

Never said JO was IN the undercarriage - just a theory as to how his arm got damaged. I have yet to hear a plausible theory as to how JO's body ended up where it did.

 

[Sustained]

The law firm I work at uses them on complex cases. They are considered absolutely top notch in their field.

I really doubt the prosecution will ever do any better than hapless Trooper Paul. (aka Mr. "It just did"). He couldn't tell a coherent story because the CW doesn't have one. And it's impossible to just manufacture a a believeable tale when you are up against actual physics.

If the CW didn't have one, please explain how KR was not acquitted. Either the CW produced enough evidence that KR hit him or they didn't believe the convoluted conspiracy theory.