MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[Linda7NJ]

Sorry what is IC and BC for my feeble mind??

Ingrid and Bill Curtis

 

[Wishbone]

Chloe was always available. AJ never made An attempt to see the dog.
AJ made a big stink claiming he wanted moulds and to measure the dogs teeth.

Prosecution now has moulds and measurements and AJ fought like hell to keep them out.

lol
ALL IMO

Didn't the judge rule out the dog dental impressions?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Thank you, I feel the drawings or renderings are misleading because when I see some photos it looks like he wasn’t that far from the road. I wish they could just take actual pictures of the property with a steak or something marking or outlining where he was actually found in relation to the road second there’s a lot of confusion for me in regards to the tail light. I would really like to see what the tail light looked the minute it was confiscated not after it made a trip to Canton, but when it was very first put on that truck and then again when it arrived in Canton, because all of the glass was not missing. I think it’s possible she cracked it when she backed into John’s car but I need to see a picture of the Lexus backed up against a Traverse that would’ve been where Johns car was aligned with the Lexis taillight. I’m not sure any of this was intentional, covered up for sure.

Again, all those LE, EMTs, Firetruck and anyone else at the scene FAILED to take pictures of where John's body was laying. Another mouth open cross-eyed moment.

 

[Kyshoegal]

There were 4 to 6 inches of snow the morning JO was found. Going back to approx 1230 it had just been starting to snow so not a significant amount had fallen. I will add that I do not believe JO was hit by the car for many reasons. As you read the previous posts and watch the trial you can decide for yourself.

Thanks. I am late to this case and I’m trying to get all the information before I form an opinion. As a trauma nurse at a level one hospital I just have a lot of questions.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Didn't the judge rule out the dog dental impressions?

Yep, judge said no. Oh and I doubt those Molds were Chloes anyway. I would bet BA got rid of that problem for good.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Look at the cats in the parking lot when they’re leaving the bar. It’s on video

The cars? Yes, snowing but not yet accumulating according to testimony from the trial of everyone leaving the bar. They defined not accumululating as not sticking to the ground. They left the bar around 12:00-12:15sh. It would have been very wet, and the roads would have been very slippery too. Roads are very slick the first half hour after it rains/snows.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Ingrid and Bill Curtis

I wonder if Ingrid is her sister? She talked about having an older brother and younger sister but I've never known her sister to show up in court AFAIK.

 

[waldojabba]

If he had no heartbeat for most of that time, would he still get frostbite?

It's a good point about people at the house correctly guessing that she'd broken her taillight and left behind those pieces right next to his body.

MOO

They did not set out to frame Karen imo I think they wanted it to look like the plow hit John.
But when Karen started calling around wondering if she hit him I sense there was an opportunist quick pivot to her as the scapegoat. Why not. They thought she’d plea out - she was a nobody connected to no one …they’d set it all up and it was biz as usual Bc - no one ever questioned them.
Only K was way smarter and resourceful than Procter imagined.
Hence, Trial 2.
JMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Didn't the judge rule out the dog dental impressions?

Yes she did for T2. I don't know if she ruled it out for T1.

 

[keek]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... that horrible deep gouge in the back of his head did cause hemorrhages I believe a medical examiner said. A terrible and hard hit to the back of his head by falling on something hard with the shape of the gouge or a bash with an object. They could not be sure of what exactly caused it unfortunately otherwise. IMO I believe.

 

[PamCake]

I mean like come on, Higgins literally purposefully walked through a military base and disposed of his cell phone and Sim card because he knew it couldn't be recovered, he was an ATF agent, he knew exactly how important information like cell phones can be to investigations, and that's what he did it, he didn't want whatever was on his cell phone related to the case found out, moo

And IIRC, he had an FBI friend help him extract items from his phone before destroying it at the military base. His lawyer was in the courtroom when this came out in T1, so I'm imagining that we'll never really know what that was all about. Maybe someone in our thread here knows the story...

 

[Wishbone]

And IIRC, he had an FBI friend help him extract items from his phone before destroying it at the military base. His lawyer was in the courtroom when this came out in T1, so I'm imagining that we'll never really know what that was all about. Maybe someone in our thread here knows the story...

Yes, I remember he used fbi equipment to help his friend and got caught. Wonder what happened to him. He should be fired for that. JMOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

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According to the prosecution, he lay dying from about 12:26 onwards or died instantly at that time. According to the defense, he was kept somewhere warmer in a sitting position and was placed in the yard after 03:30 AM when the snowplow went by. This is my understanding of it anyway.
Hopefully an expert during the trial will answer this question about frostbite and hypothermia after death for us.
MOO.

 

[PamCake]

Yes, that horrible deep gouge in the back of his head did cause hemorrhages I believe a medical examiner said. A terrible and hard hit to the back of his head by falling on something hard with the shape of the gouge or a bash with an object. They could not be sure of what exactly caused it unfortunately otherwise. IMO I believe.

Yes, the eye bruises were explained in detail during T1; how the hit to the head was so hard it caused his skull to collapse into the spine. I remember reading that there was a pattern to the gouge too.

 

[Wishbone]

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Dr. Scordi-Bello: “The majority of blunt force injuries were to the face and the head.”

Karen Read murder trial: Medical examiners detail John O’Keefe’s injuries

The court heard profanity-laced voicemails that Read left on O’Keefe’s as witness testimony continues.

www.boston25news.com

 

[Forest_Wood]

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The medical examiner talked about it too.

 

[ShadyLady]

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He also had a knot above his eye...golf ball size.

 

[Seni]

I am glad that Tortoise is going to follow this second trial. She is absolutely meticulous

 

[Knox]

They did not set out to frame Karen imo I think they wanted it to look like the plow hit John.
But when Karen started calling around wondering if she hit him I sense there was an opportunist quick pivot to her as the scapegoat. Why not. They thought she’d plea out - she was a nobody connected to no one …they’d set it all up and it was biz as usual Bc - no one ever questioned them.
Only K was way smarter and resourceful than Procter imagined.
Hence, Trial 2.
JMO

Still trying to grasp the details. Why and with who, was the supposed fight with that night?

 

[Kyshoegal]

He also had a knot above his eye...golf ball size.

You can’t see it from the photos