MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[rescuemom]

This hearing will indeed be offering up things later to be presented in the trial itself.

Hank Brennan can ask any questions he wants of them. This voir dire is happening instead of discovery being turned over - well, really, in addition to discovery being turned over - because Brennan thinks the defense is lying about everything when it comes to ARCCA.

The issue about whether or not it can be revealed that the Feds hired ARCCA actually may or may not be decided.

The issue about whether or not it can be revealed that the Feds hired ARCCA actually may or may not be decided.

Why not??? The Feds could answer that question of did they or didn't they hire ARCAA. IMO, the CW wants no reference of the Fed mentioned anywhere in this case as that would indicate that the Feds took it upon themselves to investigate this case for some reason.

 

[tricia]

Please remember that the only suspect in this case is Karen Read. That is who we allow to be discussed as a suspect.
Thank you,
Tricia

 

[keek]

I was speculating if that’s the way he died. I go back and forth with what happened that night. I honestly don’t think anyone intended to kill him. I think whatever happened was an accident that went too far. This is my opinion.

Most likely, then he did die. Hauled out front to the side of the lawn by the street without any aid for him. Save themselves any kind of ownership in this. One of their cars parked right in front down by the side where JOK was, blocking. Not there till towards dawn, illegally parked during a snow storm in winter, plow didn't report to cpd as a favor to owner who he knew, as a favor. Horrible all around. IMO

 

[rescuemom]

I assume given the phone location data, the D case will have to be that JOK dropped his phone by the tree somehow before going inside?

The phone location?? When the body was moved, anything belonging to JOK , phone , shoes, hat, was moved with him, IMO. Nope, the D will go nowhere near the tree or anything outside, IMO. His phone idicates 80 steps both up and down stairs.

 

[rescuemom]

The ME was calling the 2 scratches on his nose and the small laceration above his eye "blunt force injuries" if you listen to the video. It seems strange to characterize them as such but she did.

She did have up close access to the skin layers, the amount and coagulation of any blood etc,. that can't be seen or appreciated in the photos

 

[mrjitty]

The phone location?? When the body was moved, anything belonging to JOK , phone , shoes, hat, was moved with him, IMO. Nope, the D will go nowhere near the tree or anything outside, IMO. His phone idicates 80 steps both up and down stairs.

That doesn't fit the apple health timeline.

JOK manually locks his phone at 12.32, and then 7 seconds later it never moves again. If he took it inside, and was in a fight, and the perps moved him back outside later, the phone would show the movement.

IMO the D timeline requires him to drop his phone outside IMO. There is no other way it can get to where it was found without movement registering later on.

Unless someone has a theory?

ETA - this is why I thought the D would go with an outside the house theory.

 

[rescuemom]

I agree the category isn't important. But it was surprising to me that lacerations can be considered as blunt force injuries. Just wanted to clear that up.

FWIW, I was once witness to a blow to the forehead -- literally right between the eyes and above the bridge of the nose of an individual -- from the fist of another individual that resulted in the skin splitting and bleeding profusely. Once the blood was cleaned away the skin looked like a shallow ragged tear 1-2 in in length.

 

[rescuemom]

Have they looked at their phones to see if there were other times or days where they butt dialed each other?

Have they looked at the fitbit or health data of all the people involved to see if anything comes up?

Yes after JOKs phone disconnected from KRs car his health data indicated that he took 80 steps both ascending and descending before his phone was manually shut off and locked. I know I bring this up a lot but to me it is important to remember.

 

[rescuemom]

Just saw an interesting comment.

A lot of us think KR did not have anything to do with JOK. So the question, is why was he killed? If he had only been hurt in Albert's home, why not call a paramedic?

Does anyone know if JOK was working on a particular case? In the previous months had he made some enemies?

Was it an accident, or intentional?

Great point!!!!!

 

[rescuemom]

Also, JMc's daughter was with him to pick him up. He had called another person and they refused, so JMC daughter was next. She did testify to a time frame but her phone proved otherwise to the defense. The question is where were she and C for an hour, she said she picked him up and dropped him off and went straight home. Turns out she did not. JMc would not want any mixing it up with her daughter, which it would do if the protected C is called to testify under oath. IMO

In that same converstion she also said that "Colin wasn't there when John was there" indicating that she knew John was in the house. She became visible shaken after I think she realized that she let slip that John was there.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Just saw an interesting comment.

A lot of us think KR did not have anything to do with JOK. So the question, is why was he killed? If he had only been hurt in Albert's home, why not call a paramedic?

Does anyone know if JOK was working on a particular case? In the previous months had he made some enemies?

Was it an accident, or intentional?

I think it had to do with Chloe. If a dog injures another person, the homeowner is responsible. This was at least her 2nd occurrence. They were probably afraid of a lawsuit.

 

[ShadyLady]

Also, JMc's daughter was with him to pick him up. He had called another person and they refused, so JMC daughter was next. She did testify to a time frame but her phone proved otherwise to the defense. The question is where were she and C for an hour, she said she picked him up and dropped him off and went straight home. Turns out she did not. JMc would not want any mixing it up with her daughter, which it would do if the protected C is called to testify under oath. IMO

Rewatching Lank. He spoke at length to JenMc when he first got to the scene, and he told her they had to go into the BA's home. She told them but they are asleep. ODD comment. He then called Proctor to come out as JOK might be DOA and Proctor told Lank he WOULD NOT BE COMING OUT. I find that very odd.

Seems like JenMc did not want Alberts to be involved at all from the get go. Why?

 

[Tortoise]

"As you come down Fairview (Road in Canton, Massachusetts), there’s, there’s a bit of a decline in it, and it curves to the left, and my eyes are peeled, and I said, ‘He’s right (expletive) there,’” Read said in a clip released on Thursday.

“I jumped out the passenger side, and I fell into the street. His eyes were shut, and he had spots of blood in different areas on his face, and he was still — not stiff, but still.”

Karen Read speaks after murder case mistrial, describes finding Boston cop boyfriend as he died

Read is accused of hitting John O’Keefe with her SUV and then leaving him to die in a blizzard on Jan. 29, 2022, in Norfolk County, Massachusetts.

www.nbcnews.com

“It was cold. I felt cold, but I didn’t feel dangerously cold and it was just an odd feeling to know that 'I’m OK. I’m not dying, but he’s here with me, and he’s dying, and I can’t warm him up,'” Read told "20/20," recalling her state of mind that night.


Read is accused of hitting John O’Keefe with her SUV and then leaving him to die in a blizzard on Jan. 29, 2022, in Norfolk County, Massachusetts.

Kerry Roberts' testimony:

Day 1
timestamp 7:09:16

Prosecutor Brennan: So as you approach Fairview, tell us what happened.

Kerry Roberts: As we approached Fairview, the house, you mean the house or the street?

HB: Yes, the house.

KR: …the house, Jen said my sister’s house is right up here, and I said okay, and as we approached the house Karen from the back seat is now screaming ‘there he is, there he is, let me the f out of this car', and she’s kicking the back door to get out.

HB: When you heard the defendant scream ‘there he is, there he is’ and start kicking the car door, did you see anything?

KR: I did not.

HB: Did you see anybody?

KR: I did not.

HB: Did you look?

KR: I looked.

HB: Was there anything that impeded your ability to see far?

KR: No, it was just snow.

HB: How far could you see when she was yelling ‘there he is’?

KR: I mean visibility wasn’t great.

HB: Okay. Was she pointing or giving any direction?

KR: No. She just said ‘there he is’

HB: Okay what happens next?

KR: And then I unlocked the car and I looked over and I didn’t see anything and I unlocked it so she could get out of the backseat I looked at Jen and I said ‘she’s crazy’ and then I turned around and watched and she ran over to a mound of snow.

HB: When she started running, before she got anywhere, did you see anything at that point?

KR: I did not.

HB: Were you looking?

KR: I was looking. She said ‘there he is’ so I’m looking around to see where he is.

HB: And you could see nothing?

KR: I did not.

HB: Did you see her run around or directly?

KR: She ran right over to the mound of snow.

HB: Could you tell what the mound of snow was from the car?

KR: Um once she got to it yes, once she got to it you could tell it was a mound of snow that was the length of a body.

HB: Okay.

Day 2
timestamp 54.33

HB: When you first ran over, you mentioned that his head was covered in snow. Was his head fully covered in snow?

KR: Yes.

HB: When you looked down could you see who it was at first?

KR: At first no. I had to dig him out.

HB: When is it that you realized that this was your friend John?

KR: When I cleared the snow off his face.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Please remember that the only suspect in this case is Karen Read. That is who we allow to be discussed as a suspect.
Thank you,
Tricia

Yes after JOKs phone disconnected from KRs car his health data indicated that he took 80 steps both ascending and descending before his phone was manually shut off and locked. I know I bring this up a lot but to me it is important to remember.

It’s implausible- there’s something wrong with the extraction or something. The data is faulty
IMO

If it’s Apple health- IMO it’s unreliable. It would have me traveling while I was in bed sleeping,

 

[ShadyLady]

That doesn't fit the apple health timeline.

JOK manually locks his phone at 12.32, and then 7 seconds later it never moves again. If he took it inside, and was in a fight, and the perps moved him back outside later, the phone would show the movement.

IMO the D timeline requires him to drop his phone outside IMO. There is no other way it can get to where it was found without movement registering later on.

Unless someone has a theory?

ETA - this is why I thought the D would go with an outside the house theory.

I cant wait till the apple watch and JOK phone data comes in....it will be the battle of the experts!

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think it had to do with Chloe. If a dog injures another person, the homeowner is responsible. This was at least her 2nd occurrence. They were probably afraid of a lawsuit.

That’s what homeowners insurance is for.
You think they’d murder a man because they were scared of a lawsuit?

 

[Linda7NJ]

FWIW, I was once witness to a blow to the forehead -- literally right between the eyes and above the bridge of the nose of an individual -- from the fist of another individual that resulted in the skin splitting and bleeding profusely. Once the blood was cleaned away the skin looked like a shallow ragged tear 1-2 in in length.

I’m Confused as to the relevance of point ?
Can you please elaborate- I’m missing it

 

[ShadyLady]

Kerry Roberts' testimony:

Day 1
timestamp 7:09:16

Prosecutor Brennan: So as you approach Fairview, tell us what happened.

Kerry Roberts: As we approached Fairview, the house, you mean the house or the street?

HB: Yes, the house.

KR: …the house, Jen said my sister’s house is right up here, and I said okay, and as we approached the house Karen from the back seat is now screaming ‘there he is, there he is, let me the f out of this car', and she’s kicking the back door to get out.

HB: When you heard the defendant scream ‘there he is, there he is’ and start kicking the car door, did you see anything?

KR: I did not.

HB: Did you see anybody?

KR: I did not.

HB: Did you look?

KR: I looked.

HB: Was there anything that impeded your ability to see far?

KR: No, it was just snow.

HB: How far could you see when she was yelling ‘there he is’?

KR: I mean visibility wasn’t great.

HB: Okay. Was she pointing or giving any direction?

KR: No. She just said ‘there he is’

HB: Okay what happens next?

KR: And then I unlocked the car and I looked over and I didn’t see anything and I unlocked it so she could get out of the backseat I looked at Jen and I said ‘she’s crazy’ and then I turned around and watched and she ran over to a mound of snow.

HB: When she started running, before she got anywhere, did you see anything at that point?

KR: I did not.

HB: Were you looking?

KR: I was looking. She said ‘there he is’ so I’m looking around to see where he is.

HB: And you could see nothing?

KR: I did not.

HB: Did you see her run around or directly?

KR: She ran right over to the mound of snow.

HB: Could you tell what the mound of snow was from the car?

KR: Um once she got to it yes, once she got to it you could tell it was a mound of snow that was the length of a body.

HB: Okay.

Day 2
timestamp 54.33

HB: When you first ran over, you mentioned that his head was covered in snow. Was his head fully covered in snow?

KR: Yes.

HB: When you looked down could you see who it was at first?

KR: At first no. I had to dig him out.

HB: When is it that you realized that this was your friend John?

KR: When I cleared the snow off his face.

I find it interesting that KR did not remember dropping off John at the Alberts....it was Jen who told her she saw her pull up to the house. So it was then that Karen wanted to go to the Alberts.

Karen had medications, did she take any that night when John did not go home? Was that why she did not remember things at first? Alcohol and drugs? I dont remember if anything came out in the blood work.

And as for how Karen was acting after being released from the hold and she went to pick up her car from the JOK's home was she medicated, and did that influence how she was acting?

 

[rescuemom]

That doesn't fit the apple health timeline.

JOK manually locks his phone at 12.32, and then 7 seconds later it never moves again. If he took it inside, and was in a fight, and the perps moved him back outside later, the phone would show the movement.

IMO the D timeline requires him to drop his phone outside IMO. There is no other way it can get to where it was found without movement registering later on.

Unless someone has a theory?

ETA - this is why I thought the D would go with an outside the house theory.

JOK manually locks his phone at 12.32, and then 7 seconds later it never moves again. If he took it inside, and was in a fight, and the perps moved him back outside later, the phone would show the movement.

He wasn't moved immediately per snow plow driver at 2:30 who saw no body. IMO, someone else turned off and locked his phone at 12:32. IIRC his phone disconnected KRs car abt 12:29/30, he entered the home, she waited, then left to where her phone connected to JOKs house at approx 12:36 a reported 6-7 min drive in good weather. She didn't turn off his phone. Did John after being struck by her car turn the phone off himself?? Remember the people in the car behind her and all of the people who testified they were looking out the window for John's arrival??? No one saw John during that time period.

 

[mrjitty]

It’s implausible- there’s something wrong with the extraction or something. The data is faulty
IMO

If it’s Apple health- IMO it’s unreliable. It would have me traveling while I was in bed sleeping,

This was debunked at trial in Guarano's testimony but i think I will just wait for him to testify again. The 3 flights were registered before they arrive at 12.24 (per WAZE) and are still half a mile out.

But see for instance p127

Also of note is that O'Keefe's health data in Cellebrite shows him ascending/descending three (3) flights of stairs at 12:22:14AM. The native locations in Cellebrite and the Cached locations in Axiom both show O'Keefe's phone location by the intersection of Oakdale Road and Pine Cone Road, in front of 36 Oakdale Road, which is approximately a little over a half a mile away from 34 Fairview Rd.

IMO the CW will establish the phone cannot have gone inside - because if it did, we'd have movement on the phone later that morning, sometime between 12.32 and 6am when it was recovered from under JOK

IMO there is simply no way to move the phone later on without recording steps/movement.